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At 02:21 26/06/98 EDT, you wrote:

> I will tell you this....no bully from>arna is going to tell me where I

can >or can't post...if they want to stop >me>from putting a post on arna

if I >so choose to post there...then they will have>to moderate as well.

This is >definitely my attitude coming out...because I did>not crosspost

and never >posted on arna since I left NA.....but I damn well>may in the

future. The >only thing I know I won't do is belittle individuals>and call

people >names....

>Bette

The way I see it is they are all deeply dishonest, and no-one should be

even thinking of negotiation with them in any way. They use the idea of

retaliation for excessive arf postings to arna to justify what is really

just a giant arcade game to them- the destruction of a newsgroup, with real

people being squashed in the process. But- it is no coincidence that the

topic of the newsgroup that they have chosen to destroy is one that makes

them uncomfortable. It makes them doubly uncomfortable becaaue they don't,

for the most part, have much understanding of the program they are supposed

to be defending, so to encounter people who are saying not only do we not

need that program, we don't need their meetings or their fellowship- it

undermines them in ways they do not even understand.

However, since the postings to arna do seem to irritate them, and since

arf12s is virtually unusable as it is, I took a good look at arna recently

wondering if it might not be a good place to post information about

recovery from the 12 steps and new methods- I haven't actualy done that

myself before, but the arna'ers bullshit has got me thinking. So I looked.

I haven't had a good, close look at arna recently, and it was an eye-opener

to do so. It is amazing. It is almost totally full of the same sort of

bullshit. It isn't even anything to do with recovery- it is full of

adolescent nonsense, immature people playing games with one another. There

is next to nothing there that would help an addict seeking recovery. So

since posting arf12s material there irritates those fools so much (and so

disproportionately), and since it is hard to find anything at the moment on

arf12s, I consider arna is as good enough a place as any to post

information and a modern perspective on the 12 steps.

Of course, a moderated arf12sm ng where we can actually have an intelligent

discussion would be far better still...

Joe Berenbaum

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