Re: Digest Number 626

[Guest guest]

> I also hate to count points for onions although

> I usually give in and count one onion as one point.  Seems like they ought

> to be 0, lol and I didn't know for a long time that they had points.

>

Onions have points?? Who knew? Since I am a long -time weight watcher --

this is about my gazillionth time starting over on program --- I remember

onions being no points. I never looked them up this time around becuase

they were traditionally a " free " food...

Vicki

Rochester NY

[Guest guest]

Have you ever used the E-tools online? I had signed up for this thinking it

would be so cool to do tracking that way and I figured maybe they had

something I didn't know about, lol I had a problem with their food journal.

When I tried to put in my bread as a half point it would not do it and put

it down as 0 points (for one slice I mean). But after I had two slices, the

total of points would increase by one even though for both times (lunch and

supper) I only had one slice each meal and it showed up as 0 points for each

meal on their program. This question was asked in group as it can be

confusing sometimes. This is what we were told to do, to keep track of how

much we had eaten and add it up at the end of the day at which time it might

be more than 0. Yes, it is a pain to do that! But I know that if I eat two

slices of bread it is one point so it makes sense to me that one slice is a

half point. And do you notice that WW keeps track of partial pounds? How

many times have we gone only to lose .2 or .4 or some other fraction of a

pound, or to gain those fractions of a pound? If we lose .2 or .4 then we

consider that as a loss right?

Consider this however; how many times a day do you ignore those half points?

Say it's only twice for one point, that is an extra point per day not being

tracked. At the higher points level this is not a big deal. But what if it

were done 4x in a day every day of the week. Then you're looking at an

additional 2 points per day not journaled and if its more than that, it

could be even more points not tracked per day. I know a lot of people round

off their points, if you round UP you are safe but if you round down maybe

not as far as that goes. All I'm saying is that it can make a difference in

weight loss and although you can certainly work your program in your own

way, that this is how WW tells us to handle this type of situation. I am

guilty of the same thing as per my coffee creamer and onions. I do not

measure my creamer because it is such a low amount of calories for one tbsp,

like 10 or 15. But if I have 10 tbsp then it is 100 or so and probably

would count up as one point. But I don't use tbsps but tsps so I don't

worry about counting those. I also hate to count points for onions although

I usually give in and count one onion as one point. Seems like they ought

to be 0, lol and I didn't know for a long time that they had points.

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

> Have you ever used the E-tools online? I had signed up for this thinking

it

> would be so cool to do tracking that way and I figured maybe they had

> something I didn't know about, lol I had a problem with their food

journal.

> When I tried to put in my bread as a half point it would not do it and put

> it down as 0 points (for one slice I mean).

I do use eTools and my Wonder Light wheat bread does enter as 1/2 point for

1 slice or 1 point for 2 slices. Of course, it is a food in their database

and is not one that I'm entering manually. It might work out differently if

I were using a store brand and just entering the base calories, fat and

fiber per slice. I agree that some of journaling using eTools can be a bit

tricky at times.

I have a Palm Pilot and have a journal program on it that I use as my

primary journal. I do go and double-check things from time to time in

eTools to see how WW counts it to be sure I'm on track.

BTW, I agree with you about the onions. :-)

Lissa

336.6/265.4/140 - down 71.2 pounds

http://www.wwlissa.com/

Perserverance is not a long race. It is many short races one after the

other.

[Guest guest]

Onions have a lot of sugar in them, especially vidalias, or Texas sweets,

something like that. Just think of carmelized onions, that carmelization

comes from the sugars in them. Just like carrots, etc.

> I also hate to count points for onions although

> I usually give in and count one onion as one point. Seems like they ought

> to be 0, lol and I didn't know for a long time that they had points.

>

Onions have points?? Who knew? Since I am a long -time weight watcher --

this is about my gazillionth time starting over on program --- I remember

onions being no points. I never looked them up this time around becuase

they were traditionally a " free " food...

Vicki

Rochester NY

[Guest guest]

> I also hate to count points for onions although

> I usually give in and count one onion as one point. Seems like they ought

> to be 0, lol and I didn't know for a long time that they had points.

>

Then you might be surprised to hear that carrots also now have points

because these two veggies have natural sugar in them!

[Guest guest]

> Onions have a lot of sugar in them, especially vidalias, or Texas sweets,

> something like that. Just think of carmelized onions, that carmelization

> comes from the sugars in them. Just like carrots, etc

Ha! These onions are just plain hot! They aren't vidalias but I don't

know what they are, just yellow or white onions, hehehe By any chance, do

you know if 'unripe' onions are harder than normal? And do they give you

gas? One bag I got was real hard and I wondered if they were just not ripe,

and they also seemed to give us terrible gas. I have discovered that I love

onions, not raw ones however, but cook them in everything is ok with me

of course not sweets, I'm not THAT crazy about them, lol

[Guest guest]

Yes, I use etools all the time. If you WANT to put in the half points

you can. You just type it straight into the bottom. The etools are great

for some people...don't knock them. It is the only way I've used and

I've lost 80 pounds. Meetings aren't for everyone.

It is okay, Ozmee, for other people to have other ways of doing things.

If your way works for you, great. If my way works for me, great. This is

not worth arguing over, but I think you're dancing kind of close to

offending people by insisting they are wrong. I think you are

technically right with how you do it, but I don't think that anyone else

should feel like they are wrong for not doing it that way. As I said, I

haven't ever worried about it. I've lost just fine nearly every week. I

am down in the lower point range and bank every day. If I were eating up

to the top of my points, I would probably take more care. I don't. I eat

18-20 a day during the week so even if I am wrong by a full point a day,

I'm okay.

Actually, I rarely eat the same thing for more than one meal, so the

incidences of this happening would actually be very few for me.

As for onions, on etools they are free (until you get to a certain

point).

> Re: Digest Number 626

>

>

> Have you ever used the E-tools online? I had signed up for

> this thinking it would be so cool to do tracking that way and

> I figured maybe they had something I didn't know about, lol

> I had a problem with their food journal. When I tried to put

> in my bread as a half point it would not do it and put it

> down as 0 points (for one slice I mean). But after I had two

> slices, the total of points would increase by one even though

> for both times (lunch and

> supper) I only had one slice each meal and it showed up as 0

> points for each meal on their program. This question was

> asked in group as it can be confusing sometimes. This is

> what we were told to do, to keep track of how much we had

> eaten and add it up at the end of the day at which time it

> might be more than 0. Yes, it is a pain to do that! But I

> know that if I eat two slices of bread it is one point so it

> makes sense to me that one slice is a half point. And do you

> notice that WW keeps track of partial pounds? How many times

> have we gone only to lose .2 or .4 or some other fraction of

> a pound, or to gain those fractions of a pound? If we lose

> .2 or .4 then we consider that as a loss right?

>

> Consider this however; how many times a day do you ignore

> those half points? Say it's only twice for one point, that is

> an extra point per day not being tracked. At the higher

> points level this is not a big deal. But what if it were

> done 4x in a day every day of the week. Then you're looking

> at an additional 2 points per day not journaled and if its

> more than that, it could be even more points not tracked per

> day. I know a lot of people round off their points, if you

> round UP you are safe but if you round down maybe not as far

> as that goes. All I'm saying is that it can make a

> difference in weight loss and although you can certainly work

> your program in your own way, that this is how WW tells us to

> handle this type of situation. I am guilty of the same thing

> as per my coffee creamer and onions. I do not measure my

> creamer because it is such a low amount of calories for one

> tbsp, like 10 or 15. But if I have 10 tbsp then it is 100 or

> so and probably would count up as one point. But I don't use

> tbsps but tsps so I don't worry about counting those. I also

> hate to count points for onions although I usually give in

> and count one onion as one point. Seems like they ought to

> be 0, lol and I didn't know for a long time that they had points.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The online thingy says 1 cup of carrots (raw) is 0 points. Cooked is 1

point. I don't count them if I eat them raw. I don't eat them cooked and

if I do it might be only to be polite, so maybe 1/3 cup max (a few small

bites). I don't like them cooked.

> Re: Digest Number 626

>

>

> > I also hate to count points for onions although

> > I usually give in and count one onion as one point. Seems

> like they

> > ought to be 0, lol and I didn't know for a long time that they had

> > points.

> >

>

> Then you might be surprised to hear that carrots also now

> have points because these two veggies have natural sugar in them!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> The online thingy says 1 cup of carrots (raw) is 0 points. Cooked is 1

> point. I don't count them if I eat them raw.

>

Thanks for this info. I do remember reading something about raw carrots

being digested in a way that doesn't allow the body to absorb the sugar... or

the heat from cooking increases the sugar ... or something like that LOL! I

usually eat them raw also, so the 0 point info is helpful.

Vicki

Rochester NY