Re: Apathy Pervades The 12-SFZ. Let's Change That!

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In a message dated 1/24/1999 2:48:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,

fransway29@... writes:

> Yeah, I guess so--but the last time we tried it, it took over some of our

> computer. I had a heck of a time finding stuff I'd saved.

>

> Darn it, I'd love to write some stuff for them to censor! Anyone who has

> been censored by AOL, please send me copies of what they told you can't

> be posted on the forum.

>

I never saved what I had pulled.....

They censor for language....poor Markus kept getting nailed for that....Then

he would correct his language and repost and was told he couldn't repost the

same post...I never quite understood that one. I actually like to

swear....Yeah--I have an awful mouth at times---but I have managed to tame it

down....hahaha--it just looks to stupid to write " stuff " when you really mean

" shit, " etc.

I have only had a couple pulled. They were said to be off topic in the folder

they were in. gets nailed a lot I guess...he would have to give you the

particulars on those....

Where Markus and I, both, ran into trouble a while back was in a folder titled

" drug addiction. " It seems that even though the title of the board did not

denote that it was a 12 step forum, participants seemed to think that it was.

When something was posted that was not in line with their " 12 step " view then

they would criticize the commentary, like the input had no merit. When the

criticism went the other way...then we were reminded that this was not the

discussion and debate board. The last time I knew that I would probably get

nailed for my curt response to someone....I put a note at the end of the post

saying to the AARF that I understood why she might pull the post, but if she

did that I hoped that she would be fair enough to pull the equally rude post

that initiated my response....she left them both that time....

I don't think one should have to point out inequities such as this.....It is

AOL's message board--I don't care if they want to be strict as long as the

rules apply equally to everyone.

I had to laugh reading another board the other night and seeing someone

complaining about how the board is changing and how they wish that the SMART

people would post in their own folder and they would read it if they were

interested....trouble was, once again, this was the general " alcoholism " board

not one designated for 12 step recovery. Then someone posted something with

the title " AA vs RR " and the context was actually not bad...it was a woman

saying that she saw things she related to in many of the alternative

approaches as well as some things that *she* liked about AA. A few people

responded and the content was not argumentative at all, IMO....then the AARF

posted something telling people to take it to the debate and discussion board

and she would leave these posts but pull any others like them. No one was

debating....it was lame....I wonder about the ability of some of those with

the authority to pull posts for discerning what is " on topic " at times.

Hahaha...what I really find to be a pain in the ass is when you have to knock

it off...or you decide to drop it and the person who didn't agree with what

you said continues to email you with their comments. I have had this happen

and blocked the mail from the person because they were acting like an idiot,

IMO. It must have killed the dude to not have the last word....LOL.

I am really hoping that Peele works out a deal with them...this would be

good....In my correspondence, I mentioned some other authors as well. I guess

we just have to see where it goes....

Bette

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wrote:

Original Article: /list/12-step-free/?start=1798

> In a message dated 1/23/1999 11:46:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> fransway29@... writes:

>

> > Is there anyway to see this forum if you don't have AOL?

> >

> > Check out my new zine:

> >

> > www.zinezone.com/users/fransway

> >

> > I'm still making it. Any suggestions?

> >

>

> Nope...but hey, you can always do the AOL 30 day free trial thingy....

Yeah, I guess so--but the last time we tried it, it took over some of our

computer. I had a heck of a time finding stuff I'd saved.

Darn it, I'd love to write some stuff for them to censor! Anyone who has

been censored by AOL, please send me copies of what they told you can't

be posted on the forum.

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In a message dated 1/23/99 10:46:04 PM Central Standard Time,

fransway29@... writes:

> Is there anyway to see this forum if you don't have AOL?

>

> Check out my new zine:

>

> www.zinezone.com/users/fransway

>

> I'm still making it. Any suggestions?

You must access AOL to see the forum. But the 1st 100 hrs. are free on AOL,

so you can always check it out and cancel your acct if you just want a peek.

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At 07:47 AM 1/24/99 -0000, you wrote:

> wrote:

>Original Article: /list/12-step-free/?start=1798

>> In a message dated 1/23/1999 11:46:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>> fransway29@... writes:

>>

>> > Is there anyway to see this forum if you don't have AOL?

>> >

>> > Check out my new zine:

>> >

>> > www.zinezone.com/users/fransway

>> >

>> > I'm still making it. Any suggestions?

>> >

>>

>> Nope...but hey, you can always do the AOL 30 day free trial thingy....

>

>Yeah, I guess so--but the last time we tried it, it took over some of our

>computer. I had a heck of a time finding stuff I'd saved.

>

>Darn it, I'd love to write some stuff for them to censor! Anyone who has

>been censored by AOL, please send me copies of what they told you can't

>be posted on the forum.

Now that IS an interesting idea. My guess is that a collection of

censored-out contributions would provide a very good introduction to and

explanation of recovery-from-recovery. It would probably make a good

chapter in a book. And a very readable web page. " What AOL didn't want you

to read! " .

Joe Berenbaum

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. .some of us are more than willing to do something to help but don't

know where to start. . .I support and applaud your efforts and I am in a

better position to fight because there is nothing the system can take from me.

I don't think they can send my husband to jail or take his license forever

because of my actions. . . but then again maybe they can. Mardi

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In a message dated 1/25/1999 6:56:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

fransway29@... writes:

> I wrote to him but he hasn't written back. We downloaded AOL, but I'm

> not sure what forums you're talking about. Where do I go? On the health

> channel?

Click on " keyword " and type in A & R

That should get you to the main forum....

send me your screen name Rebbecca so I can add you to my buddy list and get in

touch if we are online together....

Take Care,

Bette

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wrote:

Original Article: /list/12-step-free/?start=1780

> Monitoring parties and lurkers be advised (Hi !): I am advocating

> ACTION. " Mabee " I'm wrong to do so, but......

>

> J2S2 Online Productions, a treatment industry shell company, potentially

> reaches 13 million AOL members with it's pro-12-step message. J2S2 owns the

> Addictions and Recovery Forum on AOL, a place where any dissent from 12-step

> orthodoxy is met with heavy-handed tactics, slander, AOL account termination

> and harassment. I urge anyone who disagrees with J2S2's failure to offer

> alternatives to 12-step programs on this massive forum to write J2S2's

> President, Jahan Salehi at:

>

I wrote to him but he hasn't written back. We downloaded AOL, but I'm

not sure what forums you're talking about. Where do I go? On the health

channel?

> Jahan Salehi

> J2S2 Online Productions

> 2810 Northampton Dr.

> Greensboro, NC 27408

> J2S2Jahan@...

>

> Thanks!

>

> Yriondo

>

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wrote:

Original Article: /list/12-step-free/?start=1848

> In a message dated 1/25/1999 6:56:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> fransway29@... writes:

>

> > I wrote to him but he hasn't written back. We downloaded AOL, but I'm

> > not sure what forums you're talking about. Where do I go? On the health

> > channel?

>

> Click on " keyword " and type in A & R

>

> That should get you to the main forum....

>

> send me your screen name Rebbecca so I can add you to my buddy list and get in

> touch if we are online together....

>

> Take Care,

>

> Bette

Thanks Bette.

Screen name: Fransway29

http://www.zinezone.com/users/fransway

>

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