Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 I must say, my son went from a HECK of a lot of " I don't knows " to discussing with me today that " It's July 4th, that's why they are lighting the firecrackers, and I like all of the beautiful colors " ...I am in awe once again...Always a miracle around the corner. Who would have thought a little melatonin could cause such a difference????-SHari [ ] Re: Melatonin question > My son Shane is now Chelating since December 00. We started giving him Melatonin 2.5mcg every night. When someone put the fear of " addiction " in to us, we cut it down to everyother night, than twice a week, then None. He was sleeping on hiw own finally BUT, the other night, I started giving him Melatonin again (after a long vacation, and a restless night) And his Speech had a major BOOM, Like he was a new kid again, we had noted some regression, but, for what reason does the Melatonin benefit??? I am AMAZED that it brought about such change, THANKS in advance for any insight!!! -Shari Melatonin is both an excellent brain antioxidant, and a hormone which promotes proper growth and development in children. There is some truth in the idea that children grow while they sleep. Andy > > > [Non-text portions of this message have bee ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 In a message dated 7/5/2001 12:34:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Curepdd@... writes: << Angie, Maybe your son produces enough Melatonin on his own, or seratonin on his own? Wasn't trying to make anyone feel bad. My son was on it for 7 months,and I noticed NO difference. I only noted a difference when I stopped, and restarted.-Shari ----- Original Message ----- >> I gave it to my son for about a week and a half. It worked great at first, then he started waking up screaming with a glassed over look to his eyes. He wouldnt look at me and he seemed so scared during his screaming episodes. We tried it for about 3 days after the first screaming episode. At first i thought it was just a dream, but it happened again and again. We stopped after that. He hasn't woke up screaming since. Anyone else have trouble like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 I tried out melatonin out on my husband who has similar gut problems as my son (and is a mathematician/computer type). He reported nightmares and horrible sleep. We tried a much lower dose another time. Same result but not as severe. a1a2ana3@... wrote: > In a message dated 7/5/2001 12:34:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Curepdd@... writes: > > << Angie, Maybe your son produces enough Melatonin on his own, or seratonin > on his own? Wasn't trying to make anyone feel bad. My son was on it for 7 > months,and I noticed NO difference. I only noted a difference when I stopped, > and restarted.-Shari > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > I gave it to my son for about a week and a half. It worked great at first, > then he started waking up screaming with a glassed over look to his eyes. He > wouldnt look at me and he seemed so scared during his screaming episodes. > We tried it for about 3 days after the first screaming episode. At first i > thought it was just a dream, but it happened again and again. We stopped > after that. He hasn't woke up screaming since. Anyone else have trouble > like this? > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2001 Report Share Posted July 6, 2001 : Melatonin production declines with age. If you want to continue to give Logan melatonin, may I suggest that you use the lowest [500mcg] dose? Mike Menkes, BA, LMT Kaye <Cozart3@...> wrote: All I can say is Logan NEVER slept through the night until he started melatonin. That doesn't mean that every child will sleep through the night if they take it. We all know that every child is different. IF Logan IS addicted to it now that he's been taking it for over 3 months, I'm not too worried about it because it HELPS him. If it doesn't help someone elses child, I guess they would stop using it. My son does seem to have night terrors more often on Melatonin, and I have to say, I tried it once or twice and had VERY bizarre nightmares... > Re: [ ] Re: Melatonin question > > > In a message dated 7/5/2001 12:34:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Curepdd@o... writes: > > << Angie, Maybe your son produces enough Melatonin on his own, or seratonin > on his own? Wasn't trying to make anyone feel bad. My son was on it for 7 > months,and I noticed NO difference. I only noted a difference when I stopped, > and restarted.-Shari > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > I gave it to my son for about a week and a half. It worked great at first, > then he started waking up screaming with a glassed over look to his eyes. He > wouldnt look at me and he seemed so scared during his screaming episodes. > We tried it for about 3 days after the first screaming episode. At first i > thought it was just a dream, but it happened again and again. We stopped > after that. He hasn't woke up screaming since. Anyone else have trouble > like this? > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2001 Report Share Posted July 6, 2001 Mike, and others reading this: Apparently Mike is not capable of understanding my point that " negative results " do not by definition involve addiction. This is a point of logic, and not particularaly challenging. Although I have pointed this out twice, Mike makes no comment on this point, but abandoned the issue of " addictive potential " . To infer from my comment that I am " supporting " or " not supporting " anything at all (or any of Mike's other inferences) would take a great deal of creativity. Which, apparently, Mike has. regards, Moria At 05:02 AM 7/6/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > Have you read any of the melatonin horror stories, or, are you just defending a position? >Melatonin is a drug. Are you supporting the indiscriminate use for children, as Andy? >If so, we are done 'talking.' >Mike Menkes, BA, LMT > > Moria Merriweather <moriam@...> wrote: Mike, > >As I've already expressed to you privately, addiction potential is >NOT the same as " negative effects " . Your equating the 2 indicates >fuzzy thinking on your part in this matter. > >Moria > >At 09:00 PM 7/5/2001 -0700, you wrote: >> >> How can Andy state that there are no pediatric addiction potentials to >melatonin with such stories as these? >>Mike Menkes, BA, LMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Dear Moria, I used to have exactly the same problem. Here's what I did: - No T.V., computer, reading or anything involving the use of your eyesight after 10.30-11 p.m. - No bright lights at around the same time - Getting into bed well before 1 a.m. - Having dinner early and making sure I had digested it before getting into bed My problem turned out to be liver-related because the liver does its heaviest detox work between 1-3 a.m. and the eyes are directly related to the liver. It took only a couple of weeks of following the above regime to get back into a regular sleeping routine but it worked in the end. Prior to that, I hadn't slept properly for months and it was really taking its toll on my health. I would not advice the use of any drugs, amino acids, etc. I used to take herbal teas and extracts but in the end they're just a quick fix, you need to find out the actual cause and address the problem. Let me know if this works for you Best wishes, Ruth > Dear list, > > I have been having problems with STAYING asleep all night. > I am okay at falling asleep (although I am often staying up > too late-- which I also think of as a " sleep problem " ). > I've been waking up at 4 or 5 AM quite a bit (which for me > is not enough sleep). Sometimes I can go back to sleep > and other times " that's it " -- I'm awake. > > Does melatonin help with STAYING asleep (or staying " sleepy " ) ?? > > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. > > Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Ed, I was just at a conference given by Dr. Bradstreet at DisneyLand, CA. When parents mentioned the night waking not being helped by Melatonin, he said to increase the Melatonin. You can safely go up to 3mgs for a young child. Some children can even tolerate up to 6mgs. The other thing he said they do with their patients is that if they are routinely waking up at 4 hrs after the initial dose, they start them on 1/2mg in the am as well and increase the pm dose and it seems to adjust the sleep cycle where they dont wake at night any longer. Yes, they might be a little sleepy the first couple of days of the morning dose, but that goes away. Just passing on what I heard. Good Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Interesting. We give our daughter 2mg of melatonin to go to sleep, (4.5 yrs, 32 lbs), and she falls asleep within approx 1/2 hour. Without melatonin, she has extreme difficulty falling asleep and it can take SEVERAL hours. Often, but not always, she will wake up 3-4 hours later. This is the case with or without melatonin, but usually more so with. At that time she sometimes can put herself back to sleep right away. Sometimes it takes an hour or two. Sometimes it takes 3-4 hours, at which point it's morning and time to go to school and the day's productivity for all is in question. If she wakes up " all the way " giving her more melatonin rarely works at all. Like giving nothing. We attribute the whole sleep issue to detox and hope that she will eventually get better enough to outgrow it. -Ed Message: 13 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:38:28 -0800 From: Moria Merriweather <moriam@...> Subject: melatonin question Dear list, I have been having problems with STAYING asleep all night. I am okay at falling asleep (although I am often staying up too late-- which I also think of as a " sleep problem " ). I've been waking up at 4 or 5 AM quite a bit (which for me is not enough sleep). Sometimes I can go back to sleep and other times " that's it " -- I'm awake. Does melatonin help with STAYING asleep (or staying " sleepy " ) ?? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 thanks Ruth-- I printed out your note and will try some of this. My eyes have ALSO been REALLY strained and tired so perhaps there is a connection! Moria At 02:35 PM 1/15/2002 -0000, you wrote: >Dear Moria, > >I used to have exactly the same problem. Here's what I did: > >- No T.V., computer, reading or anything involving the use of your >eyesight after 10.30-11 p.m. >- No bright lights at around the same time >- Getting into bed well before 1 a.m. >- Having dinner early and making sure I had digested it before >getting into bed > >My problem turned out to be liver-related because the liver does its >heaviest detox work between 1-3 a.m. and the eyes are directly >related to the liver. > >It took only a couple of weeks of following the above regime to get >back into a regular sleeping routine but it worked in the end. Prior >to that, I hadn't slept properly for months and it was really taking >its toll on my health. > >I would not advice the use of any drugs, amino acids, etc. I used to >take herbal teas and extracts but in the end they're just a quick >fix, you need to find out the actual cause and address the problem. > >Let me know if this works for you > >Best wishes, > >Ruth > > > > > >> Dear list, >> >> I have been having problems with STAYING asleep all night. >> I am okay at falling asleep (although I am often staying up >> too late-- which I also think of as a " sleep problem " ). >> I've been waking up at 4 or 5 AM quite a bit (which for me >> is not enough sleep). Sometimes I can go back to sleep >> and other times " that's it " -- I'm awake. >> >> Does melatonin help with STAYING asleep (or staying " sleepy " ) ?? >> >> Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. >> >> Moria > > > >======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Moria Merriweather wrote: > Dear list, > > I have been having problems with STAYING asleep all night. > I am okay at falling asleep (although I am often staying up > too late-- which I also think of as a " sleep problem " ). > I've been waking up at 4 or 5 AM quite a bit (which for me > is not enough sleep). Sometimes I can go back to sleep > and other times " that's it " -- I'm awake. > > Does melatonin help with STAYING asleep (or staying " sleepy " ) ?? > > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. > > Moria Moria it only lasts about 4 hours and if you take too much you'll have night terrors. Have you tried using something in the background (white noise)? It helps some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 In my experience melatonin puts you to sleep, but doesn't keep you there. But I've only taken minimal amounts- so maybe larger amounts? A lack of magnesium and calcium can cause you to wake after only a few hours of sleep. Maybe taking some an hour or so before bedtime will help. Hot baths, chamomile or catnip tea or some of the herbal sleep aid teas might help. Lolita >I have been having problems with STAYING asleep all night. >I am okay at falling asleep (although I am often staying up >too late-- which I also think of as a " sleep problem " ). >I've been waking up at 4 or 5 AM quite a bit (which for me >is not enough sleep). Sometimes I can go back to sleep >and other times " that's it " -- I'm awake. > >Does melatonin help with STAYING asleep (or staying " sleepy " ) ?? > >Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 what brand do u use. i tried the natrol sustained release and it didn't release, the melatonin too bound up in the oil that is use to sustain the release? > > . > > > > Does melatonin help with STAYING asleep (or staying " sleepy " ) ?? > > > > > time release would help you. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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