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Dave,

You must be an urban provider or work for one. So because rural EMS is not

a stakeholder they should have no representation on this council or be a

part of it? Spoken like an urban provider.

Wayne

Re: HB 2446

>I, for one would be pleased to support the bill, everything else being very

>beneficial to the citizens of Texas, if they will amend it to cull out the

>50:50 membership requirement. The Governor should select GETAC members

>strictly on the basis of their expertise in the stakeholder area they

>represent, not on the accident of where they happen to live. I will

>definitely write letters in support that include this caveat.

>

>Dave

> HB 2446

>

>

>> Hello everyone,

>> I want to thank Brad Woodall who came to Austin feeling under the

>weather, Mike Doren with TPAPN, and Jorie Klien for coming a long distance

>to support this bill. The bill was left pending. It seems some folks have a

>problem with the 1/2 urban and 1/2 rural make up of GETAC, and something

>with the Center for Rural Health of which I couldn't hear all of it. There

>is still a chance this bill can move forward. I urge all of you to email

you

>house Rep's to move this bill forward. This is a good bill. Please let Rep.

>Glaze know your support him, the bill, and to not let the bill go.

>> Thanks,

>> Ron

>> www.emsatoftx.com

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Dave,

The way I read this is, you are of the opinion that because someone lives in

BFE, Texas they are not educated enough to be considered for a member of the

main GETAC council. To me it sounds like that you are stereotyping members of

rural/frontier providers.

Are you of the mind set that just because Joe Bob lives in BFE, Texas and is on

call for his local volunteer provider 24/7 in order for the service to have a

medic that he is not qualified or should not be considered for the main GETAC

council. Maybe Joe Bob is not as " dumb " as you think he is when it comes to

EMS. He may have a Masters or Ph.D. in something. Or maybe he is just a peanut

farmer or rancher.

Rick is from a rural part of Texas, so I wonder which side he would be on

when it came down to the appointments? Would he look more at the rural/frontier

providers or the urban providers?

Dave, to me it sounds like that you are ANTI-rural EMS and PRO-urban EMS. Do

you not think that the rural/frontier personnel can't think for themselves or

others.

By requiring half the overall

>positions to be filled from rural and half from urban, the Governor may be

>trapped into selecting less qualified persons to represent a particular

>stakeholder area because the more qualified person lives in a region that

>already has a filled quota of members. Understand that I'm not suggesting or

>implying that the person from an urban area is automatically the most

>qualified,

To me it sounds like you are implying that the urban personnel are more

qualified to fill these positions, and that the rural/frontier personnel are 3

fries short a happy meal.

All I am saying is that the Governor

>should be required to base appointments to GETAC solely on the professional

>qualifications and experience of the candidates,

Again, you are making it sound like that rural/frontier personnel are not

professional, have no qualifications and have not " real " EMS experience. The

last time that I looked, these people take the same test that you and I did to

get their certification. Statements like the one you made is why rural/frontier

personnel don't want to get involved, because they feel like they are NOT apart

of the EMS profession, because they don;t work for a " real " EMS provider. How

many urban EMTs and Paramedics go out and work for a rural or frontier provider

that has a transport time of 2 hrs or as Raina pointed out a call the took 8 hrs

from tone out to back in service time. To me this is dedication on the part of

that person.

not on the accident of

>where each happens to live. The problems of rural EMS can only be solved by

>the most astute, innovative, and knowledgeable people in our field, not by

> Bob Shuckin's from Podunk (just because he lives in the country and

>rides the local ambulance twice a week) or by Dr Ego Largehead (just because

>he is the medical director of Biggesttown, Texas and has umphteen degrees).

Again, Dave you are placing a stearotype on rural personnel. Joe Bob may only

have a high school diploma, but me may also be very smart when it comes to EMS

and the needs that are facing EMS, ALL EMS providers.

>The solutions will come from the best minds in our field no matter where

>they happen to live and the 50:50 requirement may prevent the best minds

>from being in the position of authority necessary to solve problems.

>

>This is not to say that our rural colleagues don't necessarily have to be

>involved in the process of solving their problems. Just the opposite. They

>need to be very actively involved.

They should be involved, but in your opinion they should not be allowed to be on

the main GETAC council. Let them be involved, just not at this level right?

I think it would be appropriate to

>require 50% of the membership of all the operating committees to be from

>rural areas. Certainly, 50% of the task force members should be from rural

>areas. Maybe that level is where the 50:50 idea is best applied.

It is

>certainly not appropriate for the primary GETAC council, for reasons I

>believe I've made clear.

Urban EMS would lose it's primary representation. With the 50-50 requirement

both sides would have equal representation instead of a 80-20 split.

>

> I am very pro-rural EMS. I just do not

>think the 50:50 rule is in the best interests of rural EMS or Texas EMS in

>general.

Because again, your more inclined to PRO-urban EMS than rural EMS. It seems

that you " best interest " falls on the other side of this debate which is urban

EMS. You say PRO-rural EMS, but to me it all sounds like a fluke.

Folks, rural & frontier EMS deserves equal representation. This bill would

ensure that they get the representation that they deserve.

Again, I urge you to write, call, e-mail, fax your state representative and urge

them to support this bill as it stands, without any changes.

Wayne

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Wayne:

I think Dave is saying just the opposite. It appears from his writings that

he is in favor of appointing the MOST QUALIFIED from WHEREVER they might

live. While I can see the benefit of a balanced committee (rural/urban), I

can also see benefits of utilizing people with broad based

experience.....both life experience and EMS experience.

Dave says several times that he is not " anti rural " nor " pro urban " and I

believe that is true. Dave, just as many others simply want what is best for

EMS in Texas. Unfortunately, we all have different ideas of what that is,

and too many times we focus on what is best for our departments or us as

individuals.

Until we get over the *what's best for me* and the *what's best for my

department* syndrome, we will never truly succeed as a profession.

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Tyler Community College offers? I am interested in knowing more about it.

Thanks,

Amy Perilman

Re: HB 2446

Dave,

The way I read this is, you are of the opinion that because someone lives in

BFE, Texas they are not educated enough to be considered for a member of the

main GETAC council. To me it sounds like that you are stereotyping members of

rural/frontier providers.

Are you of the mind set that just because Joe Bob lives in BFE, Texas and is

on call for his local volunteer provider 24/7 in order for the service to have a

medic that he is not qualified or should not be considered for the main GETAC

council. Maybe Joe Bob is not as " dumb " as you think he is when it comes to

EMS. He may have a Masters or Ph.D. in something. Or maybe he is just a peanut

farmer or rancher.

Rick is from a rural part of Texas, so I wonder which side he would be

on when it came down to the appointments? Would he look more at the

rural/frontier providers or the urban providers?

Dave, to me it sounds like that you are ANTI-rural EMS and PRO-urban EMS. Do

you not think that the rural/frontier personnel can't think for themselves or

others.

By requiring half the overall

>positions to be filled from rural and half from urban, the Governor may be

>trapped into selecting less qualified persons to represent a particular

>stakeholder area because the more qualified person lives in a region that

>already has a filled quota of members. Understand that I'm not suggesting or

>implying that the person from an urban area is automatically the most

>qualified,

To me it sounds like you are implying that the urban personnel are more

qualified to fill these positions, and that the rural/frontier personnel are 3

fries short a happy meal.

All I am saying is that the Governor

>should be required to base appointments to GETAC solely on the professional

>qualifications and experience of the candidates,

Again, you are making it sound like that rural/frontier personnel are not

professional, have no qualifications and have not " real " EMS experience. The

last time that I looked, these people take the same test that you and I did to

get their certification. Statements like the one you made is why rural/frontier

personnel don't want to get involved, because they feel like they are NOT apart

of the EMS profession, because they don;t work for a " real " EMS provider. How

many urban EMTs and Paramedics go out and work for a rural or frontier provider

that has a transport time of 2 hrs or as Raina pointed out a call the took 8 hrs

from tone out to back in service time. To me this is dedication on the part of

that person.

not on the accident of

>where each happens to live. The problems of rural EMS can only be solved by

>the most astute, innovative, and knowledgeable people in our field, not by

> Bob Shuckin's from Podunk (just because he lives in the country and

>rides the local ambulance twice a week) or by Dr Ego Largehead (just because

>he is the medical director of Biggesttown, Texas and has umphteen degrees).

Again, Dave you are placing a stearotype on rural personnel. Joe Bob may only

have a high school diploma, but me may also be very smart when it comes to EMS

and the needs that are facing EMS, ALL EMS providers.

>The solutions will come from the best minds in our field no matter where

>they happen to live and the 50:50 requirement may prevent the best minds

>from being in the position of authority necessary to solve problems.

>

>This is not to say that our rural colleagues don't necessarily have to be

>involved in the process of solving their problems. Just the opposite. They

>need to be very actively involved.

They should be involved, but in your opinion they should not be allowed to be

on the main GETAC council. Let them be involved, just not at this level right?

I think it would be appropriate to

>require 50% of the membership of all the operating committees to be from

>rural areas. Certainly, 50% of the task force members should be from rural

>areas. Maybe that level is where the 50:50 idea is best applied.

It is

>certainly not appropriate for the primary GETAC council, for reasons I

>believe I've made clear.

Urban EMS would lose it's primary representation. With the 50-50 requirement

both sides would have equal representation instead of a 80-20 split.

>

> I am very pro-rural EMS. I just do not

>think the 50:50 rule is in the best interests of rural EMS or Texas EMS in

>general.

Because again, your more inclined to PRO-urban EMS than rural EMS. It seems

that you " best interest " falls on the other side of this debate which is urban

EMS. You say PRO-rural EMS, but to me it all sounds like a fluke.

Folks, rural & frontier EMS deserves equal representation. This bill would

ensure that they get the representation that they deserve.

Again, I urge you to write, call, e-mail, fax your state representative and

urge them to support this bill as it stands, without any changes.

Wayne

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Wayne,

I think you are the zealot. It was apparrent in 's post that he stated

several times that he was not anti-rural. He stated his opinion about the

bill.

Go back and read his post. His position is that the most qualified individual

have a position on GETAC no matter where they live.

Ernie Whitener

Coordinator

EMSP Program

Lee College

At 01:50 PM 3/29/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Dave,

>

>The way I read this is, you are of the opinion that because someone lives in

>BFE, Texas they are not educated enough to be considered for a member of the

>main GETAC council. To me it sounds like that you are stereotyping members

>of rural/frontier providers.

>

>Are you of the mind set that just because Joe Bob lives in BFE, Texas and is

>on call for his local volunteer provider 24/7 in order for the service to

>have a medic that he is not qualified or should not be considered for the

>main GETAC council. Maybe Joe Bob is not as " dumb " as you think he is when

>it comes to EMS. He may have a Masters or Ph.D. in something. Or maybe he

>is just a peanut farmer or rancher.

>

>Rick is from a rural part of Texas, so I wonder which side he would be

>on when it came down to the appointments? Would he look more at the

>rural/frontier providers or the urban providers?

>

>Dave, to me it sounds like that you are ANTI-rural EMS and PRO-urban EMS.

>Do you not think that the rural/frontier personnel can't think for

>themselves or others.

>

> By requiring half the overall

>>positions to be filled from rural and half from urban, the Governor may be

>>trapped into selecting less qualified persons to represent a particular

>>stakeholder area because the more qualified person lives in a region that

>>already has a filled quota of members. Understand that I'm not suggesting or

>>implying that the person from an urban area is automatically the most

>>qualified,

>

>To me it sounds like you are implying that the urban personnel are more

>qualified to fill these positions, and that the rural/frontier personnel are

>3 fries short a happy meal.

>

>

>All I am saying is that the Governor

>>should be required to base appointments to GETAC solely on the professional

>>qualifications and experience of the candidates,

>

>Again, you are making it sound like that rural/frontier personnel are not

>professional, have no qualifications and have not " real " EMS experience.

>The last time that I looked, these people take the same test that you and I

>did to get their certification. Statements like the one you made is why

>rural/frontier personnel don't want to get involved, because they feel like

>they are NOT apart of the EMS profession, because they don;t work for a

> " real " EMS provider. How many urban EMTs and Paramedics go out and work for

>a rural or frontier provider that has a transport time of 2 hrs or as Raina

>pointed out a call the took 8 hrs from tone out to back in service time. To

>me this is dedication on the part of that person.

>

> not on the accident of

>>where each happens to live. The problems of rural EMS can only be solved by

>>the most astute, innovative, and knowledgeable people in our field, not by

>> Bob Shuckin's from Podunk (just because he lives in the country and

>>rides the local ambulance twice a week) or by Dr Ego Largehead (just because

>>he is the medical director of Biggesttown, Texas and has umphteen degrees).

>

>Again, Dave you are placing a stearotype on rural personnel. Joe Bob may

>only have a high school diploma, but me may also be very smart when it comes

>to EMS and the needs that are facing EMS, ALL EMS providers.

>

>

>>The solutions will come from the best minds in our field no matter where

>>they happen to live and the 50:50 requirement may prevent the best minds

>>from being in the position of authority necessary to solve problems.

>>

>>This is not to say that our rural colleagues don't necessarily have to be

>>involved in the process of solving their problems. Just the opposite. They

>>need to be very actively involved.

>

>They should be involved, but in your opinion they should not be allowed to

>be on the main GETAC council. Let them be involved, just not at this level

>right?

>

> I think it would be appropriate to

>>require 50% of the membership of all the operating committees to be from

>>rural areas. Certainly, 50% of the task force members should be from rural

>>areas. Maybe that level is where the 50:50 idea is best applied.

>

>It is

>>certainly not appropriate for the primary GETAC council, for reasons I

>>believe I've made clear.

>

>Urban EMS would lose it's primary representation. With the 50-50

>requirement both sides would have equal representation instead of a 80-20

>split.

>>

>> I am very pro-rural EMS. I just do not

>>think the 50:50 rule is in the best interests of rural EMS or Texas EMS in

>>general.

>

>Because again, your more inclined to PRO-urban EMS than rural EMS. It seems

>that you " best interest " falls on the other side of this debate which is

>urban EMS. You say PRO-rural EMS, but to me it all sounds like a fluke.

>

>Folks, rural & frontier EMS deserves equal representation. This bill would

>ensure that they get the representation that they deserve.

>

>Again, I urge you to write, call, e-mail, fax your state representative and

>urge them to support this bill as it stands, without any changes.

>

>Wayne

>

>

>

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Just a comment on Presidio County services as it used to be..of course it

is going to hell in a hand-basket rather quickly now.. Out of the 7

paramedics, three had M.S. (physics, biology, reproductive physiology)

degrees, one is a BSN/RN working on her M.S., (all were/are coordinators,

instructors and examiners at one time or another-including yours truly)one

is almost through with his B.S. (pre-med) degree (which is on hold until we

can either solve the crisis in Presidio or close down the service-which

ever comes first). Of the two without advanced degrees, one did her

training through LAFD and worked the riots and LA co wildfires after

immigrating from another country; the other was a hot shot on the fed

wildfire crews. My basic , who rode with me, had an associates degree in

accounting and is a member of mensa. My ECA ( and my boss), who has a GED,

was a child of migrant worker parents who taught himself english at 25yo

and remains to this day one of the smartest and most respectable men I have

ever known. These people are not stupid, bubba like or inbred..they happen

to be highly trained dedicated responders who could stand up to any

challenge given. Stereotyping will get ya in trouble in Presidio CO. My

question is why no one ever thought about asking any of these individuals

to be on GEMAC?

At 08:50 AM 3/29/01, you wrote:

>Dave,

>

>The way I read this is, you are of the opinion that because someone lives

>in BFE, Texas they are not educated enough to be considered for a member

>of the main GETAC council. To me it sounds like that you are stereotyping

>members of rural/frontier providers.

>

>Are you of the mind set that just because Joe Bob lives in BFE, Texas and

>is on call for his local volunteer provider 24/7 in order for the service

>to have a medic that he is not qualified or should not be considered for

>the main GETAC council. Maybe Joe Bob is not as " dumb " as you think he is

>when it comes to EMS. He may have a Masters or Ph.D. in something. Or

>maybe he is just a peanut farmer or rancher.

>

>Rick is from a rural part of Texas, so I wonder which side he would

>be on when it came down to the appointments? Would he look more at the

>rural/frontier providers or the urban providers?

>

>Dave, to me it sounds like that you are ANTI-rural EMS and PRO-urban

>EMS. Do you not think that the rural/frontier personnel can't think for

>themselves or others.

>

> By requiring half the overall

> >positions to be filled from rural and half from urban, the Governor may be

> >trapped into selecting less qualified persons to represent a particular

> >stakeholder area because the more qualified person lives in a region that

> >already has a filled quota of members. Understand that I'm not suggesting or

> >implying that the person from an urban area is automatically the most

> >qualified,

>

>To me it sounds like you are implying that the urban personnel are more

>qualified to fill these positions, and that the rural/frontier personnel

>are 3 fries short a happy meal.

>

>

>All I am saying is that the Governor

> >should be required to base appointments to GETAC solely on the professional

> >qualifications and experience of the candidates,

>

>Again, you are making it sound like that rural/frontier personnel are not

>professional, have no qualifications and have not " real " EMS

>experience. The last time that I looked, these people take the same test

>that you and I did to get their certification. Statements like the one

>you made is why rural/frontier personnel don't want to get involved,

>because they feel like they are NOT apart of the EMS profession, because

>they don;t work for a " real " EMS provider. How many urban EMTs and

>Paramedics go out and work for a rural or frontier provider that has a

>transport time of 2 hrs or as Raina pointed out a call the took 8 hrs from

>tone out to back in service time. To me this is dedication on the part of

>that person.

>

> not on the accident of

> >where each happens to live. The problems of rural EMS can only be solved by

> >the most astute, innovative, and knowledgeable people in our field, not by

> > Bob Shuckin's from Podunk (just because he lives in the country and

> >rides the local ambulance twice a week) or by Dr Ego Largehead (just because

> >he is the medical director of Biggesttown, Texas and has umphteen degrees).

>

>Again, Dave you are placing a stearotype on rural personnel. Joe Bob may

>only have a high school diploma, but me may also be very smart when it

>comes to EMS and the needs that are facing EMS, ALL EMS providers.

>

>

> >The solutions will come from the best minds in our field no matter where

> >they happen to live and the 50:50 requirement may prevent the best minds

> >from being in the position of authority necessary to solve problems.

> >

> >This is not to say that our rural colleagues don't necessarily have to be

> >involved in the process of solving their problems. Just the opposite. They

> >need to be very actively involved.

>

>They should be involved, but in your opinion they should not be allowed to

>be on the main GETAC council. Let them be involved, just not at this

>level right?

>

> I think it would be appropriate to

> >require 50% of the membership of all the operating committees to be from

> >rural areas. Certainly, 50% of the task force members should be from rural

> >areas. Maybe that level is where the 50:50 idea is best applied.

>

>It is

> >certainly not appropriate for the primary GETAC council, for reasons I

> >believe I've made clear.

>

>Urban EMS would lose it's primary representation. With the 50-50

>requirement both sides would have equal representation instead of a 80-20

>split.

> >

> > I am very pro-rural EMS. I just do not

> >think the 50:50 rule is in the best interests of rural EMS or Texas EMS in

> >general.

>

>Because again, your more inclined to PRO-urban EMS than rural EMS. It

>seems that you " best interest " falls on the other side of this debate

>which is urban EMS. You say PRO-rural EMS, but to me it all sounds like a

>fluke.

>

>Folks, rural & frontier EMS deserves equal representation. This bill

>would ensure that they get the representation that they deserve.

>

>Again, I urge you to write, call, e-mail, fax your state representative

>and urge them to support this bill as it stands, without any changes.

>

>Wayne

>

>

>

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Wayne:

In my current role, I am neither exclusively associated with an urban

provider or a rural one. Of course the rural EMS community isn't a separate

stakeholder. That is because their interests stretch across many of the

various identified stakeholder groups. In this regard, they have many

concerns in common with the urban providers, as well as many that are

more-or-less rural-only issues. I never, never, never said that rural EMS

should not be represented on the GETAC council, so cool your jets, mate. All

I said, and all I continue to say is that the GETAC members represent ALL

EMS, not just one piece of it or another. We need the best qualified persons

in each spot, not the guy who happens to have a particular zip code. If

filling vacant slots results in a 50:50 mix of urban/rural, or even if it

ends up being 75:25 in favor of rural or in favor of urban, it is still the

optimum representation as long as the most qualified available person from

each defined category is chosen. Get this straight. I don't favor urban over

rural, nor do I favor rural over urban. I favor Texas EMS, which as far as

I'm concerned, should be one comprehensive entity with a single set of

professional standards and one educational system that apply to all. This

rural vs. urban stuff is ridiculous. Rural medics and EMS services have

serious problems that need solved, but it's not a zero-sum game where, if

50% of the GETAC seats aren't filled with rural representatives, rural EMS

has lost to urban EMS. IT IS NOT A THEM VS US SITUATION! So please

stop trying to make it so.

Dave

HB 2446

> >

> >

> >> Hello everyone,

> >> I want to thank Brad Woodall who came to Austin feeling under the

> >weather, Mike Doren with TPAPN, and Jorie Klien for coming a long

distance

> >to support this bill. The bill was left pending. It seems some folks have

a

> >problem with the 1/2 urban and 1/2 rural make up of GETAC, and something

> >with the Center for Rural Health of which I couldn't hear all of it.

There

> >is still a chance this bill can move forward. I urge all of you to email

> you

> >house Rep's to move this bill forward. This is a good bill. Please let

Rep.

> >Glaze know your support him, the bill, and to not let the bill go.

> >> Thanks,

> >> Ron

> >> www.emsatoftx.com

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

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The fact that there are bona fides like these in the rural areas makes it

plain that the best qualified people may indeed not live in the city. I

think maybe the Governor's people need to do a better job of looking

everywhere for potential candidates, or maybe qualified people shouldn't be

too shy about speaking up.

Dave

Re: HB 2446

> Just a comment on Presidio County services as it used to be..of course it

> is going to hell in a hand-basket rather quickly now.. Out of the 7

> paramedics, three had M.S. (physics, biology, reproductive physiology)

> degrees, one is a BSN/RN working on her M.S., (all were/are coordinators,

> instructors and examiners at one time or another-including yours truly)one

> is almost through with his B.S. (pre-med) degree (which is on hold until

we

> can either solve the crisis in Presidio or close down the service-which

> ever comes first). Of the two without advanced degrees, one did her

> training through LAFD and worked the riots and LA co wildfires after

> immigrating from another country; the other was a hot shot on the fed

> wildfire crews. My basic , who rode with me, had an associates degree in

> accounting and is a member of mensa. My ECA ( and my boss), who has a

GED,

> was a child of migrant worker parents who taught himself english at 25yo

> and remains to this day one of the smartest and most respectable men I

have

> ever known. These people are not stupid, bubba like or inbred..they

happen

> to be highly trained dedicated responders who could stand up to any

> challenge given. Stereotyping will get ya in trouble in Presidio CO. My

> question is why no one ever thought about asking any of these individuals

> to be on GEMAC?

>

> At 08:50 AM 3/29/01, you wrote:

> >Dave,

> >

> >The way I read this is, you are of the opinion that because someone lives

> >in BFE, Texas they are not educated enough to be considered for a member

> >of the main GETAC council. To me it sounds like that you are

stereotyping

> >members of rural/frontier providers.

> >

> >Are you of the mind set that just because Joe Bob lives in BFE, Texas and

> >is on call for his local volunteer provider 24/7 in order for the service

> >to have a medic that he is not qualified or should not be considered for

> >the main GETAC council. Maybe Joe Bob is not as " dumb " as you think he

is

> >when it comes to EMS. He may have a Masters or Ph.D. in something. Or

> >maybe he is just a peanut farmer or rancher.

> >

> >Rick is from a rural part of Texas, so I wonder which side he would

> >be on when it came down to the appointments? Would he look more at the

> >rural/frontier providers or the urban providers?

> >

> >Dave, to me it sounds like that you are ANTI-rural EMS and PRO-urban

> >EMS. Do you not think that the rural/frontier personnel can't think for

> >themselves or others.

> >

> > By requiring half the overall

> > >positions to be filled from rural and half from urban, the Governor may

be

> > >trapped into selecting less qualified persons to represent a particular

> > >stakeholder area because the more qualified person lives in a region

that

> > >already has a filled quota of members. Understand that I'm not

suggesting or

> > >implying that the person from an urban area is automatically the most

> > >qualified,

> >

> >To me it sounds like you are implying that the urban personnel are more

> >qualified to fill these positions, and that the rural/frontier personnel

> >are 3 fries short a happy meal.

> >

> >

> >All I am saying is that the Governor

> > >should be required to base appointments to GETAC solely on the

professional

> > >qualifications and experience of the candidates,

> >

> >Again, you are making it sound like that rural/frontier personnel are not

> >professional, have no qualifications and have not " real " EMS

> >experience. The last time that I looked, these people take the same test

> >that you and I did to get their certification. Statements like the one

> >you made is why rural/frontier personnel don't want to get involved,

> >because they feel like they are NOT apart of the EMS profession, because

> >they don;t work for a " real " EMS provider. How many urban EMTs and

> >Paramedics go out and work for a rural or frontier provider that has a

> >transport time of 2 hrs or as Raina pointed out a call the took 8 hrs

from

> >tone out to back in service time. To me this is dedication on the part

of

> >that person.

> >

> > not on the accident of

> > >where each happens to live. The problems of rural EMS can only be

solved by

> > >the most astute, innovative, and knowledgeable people in our field, not

by

> > > Bob Shuckin's from Podunk (just because he lives in the country

and

> > >rides the local ambulance twice a week) or by Dr Ego Largehead (just

because

> > >he is the medical director of Biggesttown, Texas and has umphteen

degrees).

> >

> >Again, Dave you are placing a stearotype on rural personnel. Joe Bob may

> >only have a high school diploma, but me may also be very smart when it

> >comes to EMS and the needs that are facing EMS, ALL EMS providers.

> >

> >

> > >The solutions will come from the best minds in our field no matter

where

> > >they happen to live and the 50:50 requirement may prevent the best

minds

> > >from being in the position of authority necessary to solve problems.

> > >

> > >This is not to say that our rural colleagues don't necessarily have to

be

> > >involved in the process of solving their problems. Just the opposite.

They

> > >need to be very actively involved.

> >

> >They should be involved, but in your opinion they should not be allowed

to

> >be on the main GETAC council. Let them be involved, just not at this

> >level right?

> >

> > I think it would be appropriate to

> > >require 50% of the membership of all the operating committees to be

from

> > >rural areas. Certainly, 50% of the task force members should be from

rural

> > >areas. Maybe that level is where the 50:50 idea is best applied.

> >

> >It is

> > >certainly not appropriate for the primary GETAC council, for reasons I

> > >believe I've made clear.

> >

> >Urban EMS would lose it's primary representation. With the 50-50

> >requirement both sides would have equal representation instead of a 80-20

> >split.

> > >

> > > I am very pro-rural EMS. I just do not

> > >think the 50:50 rule is in the best interests of rural EMS or Texas EMS

in

> > >general.

> >

> >Because again, your more inclined to PRO-urban EMS than rural EMS. It

> >seems that you " best interest " falls on the other side of this debate

> >which is urban EMS. You say PRO-rural EMS, but to me it all sounds like

a

> >fluke.

> >

> >Folks, rural & frontier EMS deserves equal representation. This bill

> >would ensure that they get the representation that they deserve.

> >

> >Again, I urge you to write, call, e-mail, fax your state representative

> >and urge them to support this bill as it stands, without any changes.

> >

> >Wayne

> >

> >

> >

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Thank You, Smitty! For Wayne and me right now what we seem to have is a

failure ta communicate.

Dave

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> Wayne:

>

> I think Dave is saying just the opposite. It appears from his writings

that

> he is in favor of appointing the MOST QUALIFIED from WHEREVER they might

> live. While I can see the benefit of a balanced committee (rural/urban),

I

> can also see benefits of utilizing people with broad based

> experience.....both life experience and EMS experience.

>

> Dave says several times that he is not " anti rural " nor " pro urban " and I

> believe that is true. Dave, just as many others simply want what is best

for

> EMS in Texas. Unfortunately, we all have different ideas of what that is,

> and too many times we focus on what is best for our departments or us as

> individuals.

>

> Until we get over the *what's best for me* and the *what's best for my

> department* syndrome, we will never truly succeed as a profession.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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You know Dave, I didn't even know there was a GEMAC before last month

and I am not sure they do either. I think I may have the cavalry

set up to attend the next meeting..watch out Austin..I wish I was

closer to see the fireworks.

And Dave, I didn't read for a minute that you were dissing the rural

services..but I understand Wayne's reaction..I was summarily drawn

and

quartered several times in classes taught by urban EMS

services..never

by older experienced medics..always by some wet behind the ears

newbie

a little to full of themselves..I have since developed an aversion to

attending a class where the " teachers " were a. new to the whole scene

or B). had no field experience. I never had any thing to prove to

anyone like that and I never will. Didn't figure they could take

dancing in my shoes for too long either ;)

> The fact that there are bona fides like these in the rural areas

makes it

> plain that the best qualified people may indeed not live in the

city. I

> think maybe the Governor's people need to do a better job of looking

> everywhere for potential candidates, or maybe qualified people

shouldn't be

> too shy about speaking up.

>

> Dave

> Re: HB 2446

>

>

> > Just a comment on Presidio County services as it used to be..of

course it

> > is going to hell in a hand-basket rather quickly now.. Out of

the

7

> > paramedics, three had M.S. (physics, biology, reproductive

physiology)

> > degrees, one is a BSN/RN working on her M.S., (all were/are

coordinators,

> > instructors and examiners at one time or another-including yours

truly)one

> > is almost through with his B.S. (pre-med) degree (which is on

hold

until

> we

> > can either solve the crisis in Presidio or close down the

service-which

> > ever comes first). Of the two without advanced degrees, one did

her

> > training through LAFD and worked the riots and LA co wildfires

after

> > immigrating from another country; the other was a hot shot on the

fed

> > wildfire crews. My basic , who rode with me, had an associates

degree in

> > accounting and is a member of mensa. My ECA ( and my boss), who

has a

> GED,

> > was a child of migrant worker parents who taught himself english

at 25yo

> > and remains to this day one of the smartest and most respectable

men I

> have

> > ever known. These people are not stupid, bubba like or

inbred..they

> happen

> > to be highly trained dedicated responders who could stand up to

any

> > challenge given. Stereotyping will get ya in trouble in

Presidio

CO. My

> > question is why no one ever thought about asking any of these

individuals

> > to be on GEMAC?

> >

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Hb 2446

HB 2446

1. Reported Favorably as substituted. 5-07-01

2. Recommended for local and uncontested canlendar 5-07-01

3. New Text available Senate Committee substitute 5-07-01

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Jim posted a message on here the other day about the Epi Pen being apart of

this bill. By any chance does anyone know what the Epi Pen portion of this

bill was about.

Just wondering

TD

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