Re: Hair Loss

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

First of all, congrats on your weight loss! That's great!

I have had very similar problems with my hair, although mine isn't very thick to begin with. I have been losing hair for a couple months now, mostly when I shower, or when I towel dry. I'm constantly picking hair off my shoulders and back too. I was told to buy "HAIR" vitamins ,you can get these at Walmart. I have not tried them yet, but have heard they do wonders. We're about the same time of surgery (I was 8/9/99), and I think we're right about the same with the hair loss thing. How is the protein intake? Mine isn't as good as much as I try, so I know that doesn't help. Also the water intake is important.

Good luck!

Dawn

-----Original Message-----From: Dan & Fortier Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 8:06 PMTo: OSSG-NewEnglandonelist; OSSGonelistSubject: Hair Loss

Hi All!

Just wanted to ask if anyone is experiencing significant hair loss. I know this has been mentioned several times on various mail lists but I guess you sometimes don't truly relate until it happens.

I had thick, thick hair but for the past 2 months I have been losing significant amounts when I wash/dry my hair. My hairdresser nicely brought it up to me this evening so I know it must be getting real noticeable. She even mentioned a shampoo that people can use to help elevate hair loss in chemotherapy patients.

HELP!! I know this is minor compared to real problems in life but I am hoping maybe people know the reason why this surgery is causing this and how long it will last and if there is something you can take to help the situation.

Any/all replies welcome!

Fortier

Surgery 9/20/99 Newton-Wellesley Hospital, Dr. Bruce Thayer

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[Guest guest]

, In the next month or two your hairloss will stop. I had it...and

everyone who I know has had terrible hairloss.....It definately wont hurt to

use the shampoo that your hairdresser recommended ( I am a lisenced

cosmotologist ). Walmart has a product in the Vitamin section called

HAIR....it has mega doses of Niacin and other things that will help with your

hair growth. You will notice little hair fuzzies coming in within a couple of

weeks (new hair growth).

Also, my nutritionist and doctor said that your fat intake after surgery has

been cut drasticly and your hair folicles are now dry as a bone and your hair

is snapping off because of this. If you can tolerate eating some roasted

peanuts or any kind of nuts..that will help you out. Of course check whith

them as always.

good luck!

Carla =0)

Dr. Sheldon Randall

Lawrence Memorial Hospital

Open RNY June 15, 1999 w/ hernia repair

Hernia Repair and Tummy Tuck January 27, 2000

297/170/140<---straining to get there!

[Guest guest]

Yes, , this happened to many of us -- I think I was about 3 months

out when it started (was really getting concerned) -- it is the shock of

the surgery to your body -- it is not just WLS but any major surgery. The

loss stopped at about 6 months out and then the regrowth started. It was

a little weird cuz all these little hairs starting springing out -- but

I was sure glad! I'm now 8 1/2 months out with as much (if not more) hair

as before the surgery.

Hope this is reassuring!

Hugz, Sandy in MA

Dan & Fortier wrote:

From: "Dan &

Fortier"

HELP!! I know this is minor compared to real problems in life

but I am hoping maybe people know the reason why this

surgery is causing this and how long it will last and if there is something

you can take to help the situation.

Any/all replies welcome!

[Guest guest]

Oh, yes, that reminded me -- I had a perm and it helped fill it out more.

Hugz, Sandy in MA

valiantduffy@... wrote:

From: valiantduffy@...

,

I had hair loss. It seemed for only a short period

of time compared to

most, but I did have it. Pretty much it has stoped now.

What I did when

it was happening was I cut off about 4 inches, just keep it looking

healthing. It's still long and hardly anyone noticed that

I cut it.

Pam

[Guest guest]

b., I hope you are right but from what I heard when it was happening to

me, there just isn't anything that helps -- you go through it, lose it,

and wait for it to stop, they get it back.

Hugz, Sandy in MA

Langlais L NPRI wrote:

,

I was on another list pre-op and the

members there swore by kelp for

preventing hair loss. I've been taking a kelp capsule that I

got at

vitamins.com pretty much from the beginning (I'm 10 weeks out only)

and I

haven't had any hair loss yet, I have very fine hair and couldn't imagine

cutting my hair short, so I didn't want to take any chances.

Someone also

recently told me about zinc being good also.

Good luck, b.

[Guest guest]

This is probably an old topic by now but I just got back & am wading

through emails ...

My hair loss started around month 3-4 & ended roughly month 7-8 I

don't believe anything can be done to prevent it .. if its going to

happen to you it will .. I took extra protein, zinc, vitamins, yada

yada ... suppose you could try everything but from what I've heard

its an individual thing and most things didn't seem to prevent it.

Good news is it ends.

Lyssa

[Guest guest]

Oh 0.02 cts more lol .. I remember the " shower drain " days .. it was amazing

and scary the amount of hair I had to remove after each shower and the

brushfuls I'd empty .. thank heavens it stops! Hang in there

Lyssa

<<Just wanted to ask if anyone is experiencing significant hair loss>>

,

OMG! In a big way, and it's really just been the last week or so. I talked

to Dr. Reines and he said that Zinc helps to slow it down, but won't stop

it. He also said that at about 6 months out it should stop altogether.

YAY! I also had thick hair and I am now cleaning out my shower drain daily

and my hairbrush every other day. Not to mention how much comes out when I

comb it out after the shower and what is on my hands after applying mousse

or gel.

You are not alone in this at all! Protein is also supposed to help, try to

eat a little more if it's possible. Seafood is high in protein. , the

dietician said that I should be eating 50 grams a day and I know I fall

short.

Diane

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WOW...50 GRAMS OF PROTEIN A DAY?????????

I am sure I never even get close to that.....yikes...I am going to have

to work harder......

Diane Tanner wrote:

>

>

>

> <<Just wanted to ask if anyone is experiencing significant hair loss>>

>

> ,

>

> OMG! In a big way, and it's really just been the last week or so. I talked

> to Dr. Reines and he said that Zinc helps to slow it down, but won't stop

> it. He also said that at about 6 months out it should stop altogether.

> YAY! I also had thick hair and I am now cleaning out my shower drain daily

> and my hairbrush every other day. Not to mention how much comes out when I

> comb it out after the shower and what is on my hands after applying mousse

> or gel.

> You are not alone in this at all! Protein is also supposed to help, try to

> eat a little more if it's possible. Seafood is high in protein. , the

> dietician said that I should be eating 50 grams a day and I know I fall

> short.

>

> Diane

>

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Mine has started growing back on it's own. I have all kinds of new stuff that is about 4 to 6 inches long... I had to cut my hair, finally.. I whacked off about 6 or 8 inches off the back to get rid of the old, damaged thin stuff that was back there... now I'll just be patient until the rest starts growing back out.....

The receding hair line that I thought was just genetics that I'd have to deal with is all filling back in too... I'm not talking Connery receding... I mean a half inch or so most of the way around the front and so much at the sides that I had to part my hair down the middle to cover... Now I have bangs from the new growth and actually thinking about cutting the front to have bangs and layered sides... but not till winter.. right now I like pulling most of it back in the heat......

Getting the thyroid meds optimized.. getting your body's nutritional needs met.. all that comes into play with the body being healthy enough to grow good hair. It won't repair the sickly, weak, damaged hair.. but the new stuff will be growing in healthy.

Topper ()

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Dawna Isham writes:

Hi all....I sure with the hypothyroidism some of youhave had hair loss...has anyone found anything thathelps it from falling out or even grow back? I'mgetting thin on top only (ha ha ha)Thanks Dawna

[Guest guest]

Mine has started growing back on it's own. I have all kinds of new stuff that is about 4 to 6 inches long... I had to cut my hair, finally.. I whacked off about 6 or 8 inches off the back to get rid of the old, damaged thin stuff that was back there... now I'll just be patient until the rest starts growing back out.....

The receding hair line that I thought was just genetics that I'd have to deal with is all filling back in too... I'm not talking Connery receding... I mean a half inch or so most of the way around the front and so much at the sides that I had to part my hair down the middle to cover... Now I have bangs from the new growth and actually thinking about cutting the front to have bangs and layered sides... but not till winter.. right now I like pulling most of it back in the heat......

Getting the thyroid meds optimized.. getting your body's nutritional needs met.. all that comes into play with the body being healthy enough to grow good hair. It won't repair the sickly, weak, damaged hair.. but the new stuff will be growing in healthy.

Topper ()

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Dawna Isham writes:

Hi all....I sure with the hypothyroidism some of youhave had hair loss...has anyone found anything thathelps it from falling out or even grow back? I'mgetting thin on top only (ha ha ha)Thanks Dawna

[Guest guest]

Mine has started growing back on it's own. I have all kinds of new stuff that is about 4 to 6 inches long... I had to cut my hair, finally.. I whacked off about 6 or 8 inches off the back to get rid of the old, damaged thin stuff that was back there... now I'll just be patient until the rest starts growing back out.....

The receding hair line that I thought was just genetics that I'd have to deal with is all filling back in too... I'm not talking Connery receding... I mean a half inch or so most of the way around the front and so much at the sides that I had to part my hair down the middle to cover... Now I have bangs from the new growth and actually thinking about cutting the front to have bangs and layered sides... but not till winter.. right now I like pulling most of it back in the heat......

Getting the thyroid meds optimized.. getting your body's nutritional needs met.. all that comes into play with the body being healthy enough to grow good hair. It won't repair the sickly, weak, damaged hair.. but the new stuff will be growing in healthy.

Topper ()

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Dawna Isham writes:

Hi all....I sure with the hypothyroidism some of youhave had hair loss...has anyone found anything thathelps it from falling out or even grow back? I'mgetting thin on top only (ha ha ha)Thanks Dawna

[Guest guest]

- have you ever had your ferritin <storage iron> levels

checked? Low iron will cause hair loss too. Plus the fact that you

want your ferritin in the 70-90 range for your thyroid medicine to

work most effectively.

http://www.hairsite2.com/library/article194.htm

" ...Hair follicles are known to contain ferritin, and when the

circulating stores of ferritin decline then these stores are called

upon to ensure support for more essential cells, such as bone

marrow. The loss of this ferritin from the follicle cells can effect

the ability of the hair to grow. This leads to the development of

vellus (non pigmented fine hairs) which can be an early indication

of deficiency. The presence of vellus hairs is easily mistaken for

minaturized hair seen in androgenic alopecia. We should note here

that Iron deficiency hair loss could therefore mimic the pattern of

androgenic alopecia hair loss....Rushton suggests that serum

ferritin concentrations of 40 ng/mL or greater are required for

maintaining good hair while 70ng/ml is required for regrowth.. "

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=62062

" ...A review of 40 years of research shows that iron deficiency has

a much closer link to hair loss than most doctors realize. It may be

the key to restoring hair growth, Cleveland Clinic dermatologists

find...Cotsarelis and Trost say that what most doctors consider to

be a normal ferritin level is, in fact, too low. Ferritin levels of

10-15 ng/mL are within the " normal " range. Cotsarelis says a

ferritin level of at least 50 ng/mL is needed to help replenish

hair. Trost and Bergfeld shoot for 70 ng/mL... " So people prone to

develop even hereditary hair loss, if their iron levels are low, it

accelerates that process... "

http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/news-NG.asp?id=49692

" A major French study on the effects of nutritional supplements has

confirmed the link between iron deficiency and hair loss...The

double-blind, placebo-controlled SU.VI.MAX study, carried out over

eight years by researchers at French health and medical institute

Inserm, tested the impact of a daily dose of antioxidants on 13000

healthy subjects, including 7886 women, and allowed researchers to

provide conclusive evidence that iron deficiency and iron depletion

are factors in hair loss... "

The diagnosis and treatment of iron deficiency and its potential

relationship to hair loss - Journal of the American Academy of

Dermatology

http://tinyurl.com/y556g7

Decreased serum ferritin is associated with alopecia in women.

http://tinyurl.com/yakoa7

" ...We found that the mean ferritin level (ng per ml [95% confidence

intervals]) in patients with androgenetic alopecia (37.3 128.4,

46.1]) and alopecia areata (24.9 [17.2, 32.6]) were statistically

significantly lower than in normals without hair loss (59.5 [40.8,

78.1])... "

About the cream - I would speak to the manager of the pharmacy.

There is no reason for the cream to not come with instructions such

as " store in a cool, dry place " , etc. It is standard for medicines

to includes such instructions. Also, it should have had an

expiration date. Again, the norm. Are you supposed to be phsycic &

know that they only guarantee it for 6 months?

I would bring them back the unused cream & ask for a refund. Did you

charge this on your credit card? If so, dispute the charge with your

credit card company if the pharmacy won't correct the problem.

How is your relationship with your doctor? If the pharmacy refuses

to make good on the problem, could you ask him if there is another

compounding pharmacy with which he works? You would like to switch

as you are not pleased with the customer service at this one.

There's no reason to use a business that provides poor service it

there's an alternative.

HTH,

> I just talked to the pharmacist that mixed the test creme, progest

and tri est cremes. She said that it does not belong in the frig

and that it may have crystalized. Gee, 144 bucks down the drain

twice!! Also, she said that it may last longer than 6 months but

they only guarantee it for 6 months. I asked her why the meds do not

come with product info. She said she will send some.

>

> I also lost hair from the top and front last year. It seemed to

me that it was related to use of that dern T3 WIlson raves about. I

was on 90mcg a day (mcg, mg whichever). This pharmacists thinks it

is due to low thyroid. Well why does Armour warn about possible

permanent hair loss?

>

> I also asked if the testosterone creme could be activating the

hair loss gene I inherited from my mother, who has thinning hair

like male pattern baldness, which is triggered by testosterone from

what I understand. The pharmacist says if I got the gene I will

lose hair and if not, it is due to low thyroid.

>

> Gee, I feel like that is not particularly accurate and this is an

> alternative pharmacy. Isn't male pattern baldness, which is on

the female x chromome triggered by testosterone?

>

> Has anyone lost hair at the front and top of their head? Mine is

not coming back!

>

[Guest guest]

- have you ever had your ferritin <storage iron> levels

checked? Low iron will cause hair loss too. Plus the fact that you

want your ferritin in the 70-90 range for your thyroid medicine to

work most effectively.

http://www.hairsite2.com/library/article194.htm

" ...Hair follicles are known to contain ferritin, and when the

circulating stores of ferritin decline then these stores are called

upon to ensure support for more essential cells, such as bone

marrow. The loss of this ferritin from the follicle cells can effect

the ability of the hair to grow. This leads to the development of

vellus (non pigmented fine hairs) which can be an early indication

of deficiency. The presence of vellus hairs is easily mistaken for

minaturized hair seen in androgenic alopecia. We should note here

that Iron deficiency hair loss could therefore mimic the pattern of

androgenic alopecia hair loss....Rushton suggests that serum

ferritin concentrations of 40 ng/mL or greater are required for

maintaining good hair while 70ng/ml is required for regrowth.. "

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=62062

" ...A review of 40 years of research shows that iron deficiency has

a much closer link to hair loss than most doctors realize. It may be

the key to restoring hair growth, Cleveland Clinic dermatologists

find...Cotsarelis and Trost say that what most doctors consider to

be a normal ferritin level is, in fact, too low. Ferritin levels of

10-15 ng/mL are within the " normal " range. Cotsarelis says a

ferritin level of at least 50 ng/mL is needed to help replenish

hair. Trost and Bergfeld shoot for 70 ng/mL... " So people prone to

develop even hereditary hair loss, if their iron levels are low, it

accelerates that process... "

http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/news-NG.asp?id=49692

" A major French study on the effects of nutritional supplements has

confirmed the link between iron deficiency and hair loss...The

double-blind, placebo-controlled SU.VI.MAX study, carried out over

eight years by researchers at French health and medical institute

Inserm, tested the impact of a daily dose of antioxidants on 13000

healthy subjects, including 7886 women, and allowed researchers to

provide conclusive evidence that iron deficiency and iron depletion

are factors in hair loss... "

The diagnosis and treatment of iron deficiency and its potential

relationship to hair loss - Journal of the American Academy of

Dermatology

http://tinyurl.com/y556g7

Decreased serum ferritin is associated with alopecia in women.

http://tinyurl.com/yakoa7

" ...We found that the mean ferritin level (ng per ml [95% confidence

intervals]) in patients with androgenetic alopecia (37.3 128.4,

46.1]) and alopecia areata (24.9 [17.2, 32.6]) were statistically

significantly lower than in normals without hair loss (59.5 [40.8,

78.1])... "

About the cream - I would speak to the manager of the pharmacy.

There is no reason for the cream to not come with instructions such

as " store in a cool, dry place " , etc. It is standard for medicines

to includes such instructions. Also, it should have had an

expiration date. Again, the norm. Are you supposed to be phsycic &

know that they only guarantee it for 6 months?

I would bring them back the unused cream & ask for a refund. Did you

charge this on your credit card? If so, dispute the charge with your

credit card company if the pharmacy won't correct the problem.

How is your relationship with your doctor? If the pharmacy refuses

to make good on the problem, could you ask him if there is another

compounding pharmacy with which he works? You would like to switch

as you are not pleased with the customer service at this one.

There's no reason to use a business that provides poor service it

there's an alternative.

HTH,

> I just talked to the pharmacist that mixed the test creme, progest

and tri est cremes. She said that it does not belong in the frig

and that it may have crystalized. Gee, 144 bucks down the drain

twice!! Also, she said that it may last longer than 6 months but

they only guarantee it for 6 months. I asked her why the meds do not

come with product info. She said she will send some.

>

> I also lost hair from the top and front last year. It seemed to

me that it was related to use of that dern T3 WIlson raves about. I

was on 90mcg a day (mcg, mg whichever). This pharmacists thinks it

is due to low thyroid. Well why does Armour warn about possible

permanent hair loss?

>

> I also asked if the testosterone creme could be activating the

hair loss gene I inherited from my mother, who has thinning hair

like male pattern baldness, which is triggered by testosterone from

what I understand. The pharmacist says if I got the gene I will

lose hair and if not, it is due to low thyroid.

>

> Gee, I feel like that is not particularly accurate and this is an

> alternative pharmacy. Isn't male pattern baldness, which is on

the female x chromome triggered by testosterone?

>

> Has anyone lost hair at the front and top of their head? Mine is

not coming back!

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I did, my ferritin was 40 so I bought some iron and have been taking it

about a month. I did not know hair loss could happen with low iron! Thanks

for that information and the link/article below..

-- Re: Hair Loss

- have you ever had your ferritin <storage iron> levels

checked? Low iron will cause hair loss too. Plus the fact that you

want your ferritin in the 70-90 range for your thyroid medicine to

work most effectively.

http://www.hairsite2.com/library/article194.htm

" ...Hair follicles are known to contain ferritin, and when the

circulating stores of ferritin decline then these stores are called

upon to ensure support for more essential cells, such as bone

marrow. The loss of this ferritin from the follicle cells can effect

the ability of the hair to grow. This leads to the development of

vellus (non pigmented fine hairs) which can be an early indication

of deficiency. The presence of vellus hairs is easily mistaken for

minaturized hair seen in androgenic alopecia. We should note here

that Iron deficiency hair loss could therefore mimic the pattern of

androgenic alopecia hair loss....Rushton suggests that serum

ferritin concentrations of 40 ng/mL or greater are required for

maintaining good hair while 70ng/ml is required for regrowth.. "

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=62062

" ...A review of 40 years of research shows that iron deficiency has

a much closer link to hair loss than most doctors realize. It may be

the key to restoring hair growth, Cleveland Clinic dermatologists

find...Cotsarelis and Trost say that what most doctors consider to

be a normal ferritin level is, in fact, too low. Ferritin levels of

10-15 ng/mL are within the " normal " range. Cotsarelis says a

ferritin level of at least 50 ng/mL is needed to help replenish

hair. Trost and Bergfeld shoot for 70 ng/mL... " So people prone to

develop even hereditary hair loss, if their iron levels are low, it

accelerates that process... "

http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/news-NG.asp?id=49692

" A major French study on the effects of nutritional supplements has

confirmed the link between iron deficiency and hair loss...The

double-blind, placebo-controlled SU.VI.MAX study, carried out over

eight years by researchers at French health and medical institute

Inserm, tested the impact of a daily dose of antioxidants on 13000

healthy subjects, including 7886 women, and allowed researchers to

provide conclusive evidence that iron deficiency and iron depletion

are factors in hair loss... "

The diagnosis and treatment of iron deficiency and its potential

relationship to hair loss - Journal of the American Academy of

Dermatology

http://tinyurl.com/y556g7

Decreased serum ferritin is associated with alopecia in women.

http://tinyurl.com/yakoa7

" ...We found that the mean ferritin level (ng per ml [95% confidence

intervals]) in patients with androgenetic alopecia (37.3 128.4,

46.1]) and alopecia areata (24.9 [17.2, 32.6]) were statistically

significantly lower than in normals without hair loss (59.5 [40.8,

78.1])... "

About the cream - I would speak to the manager of the pharmacy.

There is no reason for the cream to not come with instructions such

as " store in a cool, dry place " , etc. It is standard for medicines

to includes such instructions. Also, it should have had an

expiration date. Again, the norm. Are you supposed to be phsycic &

know that they only guarantee it for 6 months?

I would bring them back the unused cream & ask for a refund. Did you

charge this on your credit card? If so, dispute the charge with your

credit card company if the pharmacy won't correct the problem.

How is your relationship with your doctor? If the pharmacy refuses

to make good on the problem, could you ask him if there is another

compounding pharmacy with which he works? You would like to switch

as you are not pleased with the customer service at this one.

There's no reason to use a business that provides poor service it

there's an alternative.

HTH,

> I just talked to the pharmacist that mixed the test creme, progest

and tri est cremes. She said that it does not belong in the frig

and that it may have crystalized. Gee, 144 bucks down the drain

twice!! Also, she said that it may last longer than 6 months but

they only guarantee it for 6 months. I asked her why the meds do not

come with product info. She said she will send some.

>

> I also lost hair from the top and front last year. It seemed to

me that it was related to use of that dern T3 WIlson raves about. I

was on 90mcg a day (mcg, mg whichever). This pharmacists thinks it

is due to low thyroid. Well why does Armour warn about possible

permanent hair loss?

>

> I also asked if the testosterone creme could be activating the

hair loss gene I inherited from my mother, who has thinning hair

like male pattern baldness, which is triggered by testosterone from

what I understand. The pharmacist says if I got the gene I will

lose hair and if not, it is due to low thyroid.

>

> Gee, I feel like that is not particularly accurate and this is an

> alternative pharmacy. Isn't male pattern baldness, which is on

the female x chromome triggered by testosterone?

>

> Has anyone lost hair at the front and top of their head? Mine is

not coming back!

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I did, my ferritin was 40 so I bought some iron and have been taking it

about a month. I did not know hair loss could happen with low iron! Thanks

for that information and the link/article below..

-- Re: Hair Loss

- have you ever had your ferritin <storage iron> levels

checked? Low iron will cause hair loss too. Plus the fact that you

want your ferritin in the 70-90 range for your thyroid medicine to

work most effectively.

http://www.hairsite2.com/library/article194.htm

" ...Hair follicles are known to contain ferritin, and when the

circulating stores of ferritin decline then these stores are called

upon to ensure support for more essential cells, such as bone

marrow. The loss of this ferritin from the follicle cells can effect

the ability of the hair to grow. This leads to the development of

vellus (non pigmented fine hairs) which can be an early indication

of deficiency. The presence of vellus hairs is easily mistaken for

minaturized hair seen in androgenic alopecia. We should note here

that Iron deficiency hair loss could therefore mimic the pattern of

androgenic alopecia hair loss....Rushton suggests that serum

ferritin concentrations of 40 ng/mL or greater are required for

maintaining good hair while 70ng/ml is required for regrowth.. "

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=62062

" ...A review of 40 years of research shows that iron deficiency has

a much closer link to hair loss than most doctors realize. It may be

the key to restoring hair growth, Cleveland Clinic dermatologists

find...Cotsarelis and Trost say that what most doctors consider to

be a normal ferritin level is, in fact, too low. Ferritin levels of

10-15 ng/mL are within the " normal " range. Cotsarelis says a

ferritin level of at least 50 ng/mL is needed to help replenish

hair. Trost and Bergfeld shoot for 70 ng/mL... " So people prone to

develop even hereditary hair loss, if their iron levels are low, it

accelerates that process... "

http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/news-NG.asp?id=49692

" A major French study on the effects of nutritional supplements has

confirmed the link between iron deficiency and hair loss...The

double-blind, placebo-controlled SU.VI.MAX study, carried out over

eight years by researchers at French health and medical institute

Inserm, tested the impact of a daily dose of antioxidants on 13000

healthy subjects, including 7886 women, and allowed researchers to

provide conclusive evidence that iron deficiency and iron depletion

are factors in hair loss... "

The diagnosis and treatment of iron deficiency and its potential

relationship to hair loss - Journal of the American Academy of

Dermatology

http://tinyurl.com/y556g7

Decreased serum ferritin is associated with alopecia in women.

http://tinyurl.com/yakoa7

" ...We found that the mean ferritin level (ng per ml [95% confidence

intervals]) in patients with androgenetic alopecia (37.3 128.4,

46.1]) and alopecia areata (24.9 [17.2, 32.6]) were statistically

significantly lower than in normals without hair loss (59.5 [40.8,

78.1])... "

About the cream - I would speak to the manager of the pharmacy.

There is no reason for the cream to not come with instructions such

as " store in a cool, dry place " , etc. It is standard for medicines

to includes such instructions. Also, it should have had an

expiration date. Again, the norm. Are you supposed to be phsycic &

know that they only guarantee it for 6 months?

I would bring them back the unused cream & ask for a refund. Did you

charge this on your credit card? If so, dispute the charge with your

credit card company if the pharmacy won't correct the problem.

How is your relationship with your doctor? If the pharmacy refuses

to make good on the problem, could you ask him if there is another

compounding pharmacy with which he works? You would like to switch

as you are not pleased with the customer service at this one.

There's no reason to use a business that provides poor service it

there's an alternative.

HTH,

> I just talked to the pharmacist that mixed the test creme, progest

and tri est cremes. She said that it does not belong in the frig

and that it may have crystalized. Gee, 144 bucks down the drain

twice!! Also, she said that it may last longer than 6 months but

they only guarantee it for 6 months. I asked her why the meds do not

come with product info. She said she will send some.

>

> I also lost hair from the top and front last year. It seemed to

me that it was related to use of that dern T3 WIlson raves about. I

was on 90mcg a day (mcg, mg whichever). This pharmacists thinks it

is due to low thyroid. Well why does Armour warn about possible

permanent hair loss?

>

> I also asked if the testosterone creme could be activating the

hair loss gene I inherited from my mother, who has thinning hair

like male pattern baldness, which is triggered by testosterone from

what I understand. The pharmacist says if I got the gene I will

lose hair and if not, it is due to low thyroid.

>

> Gee, I feel like that is not particularly accurate and this is an

> alternative pharmacy. Isn't male pattern baldness, which is on

the female x chromome triggered by testosterone?

>

> Has anyone lost hair at the front and top of their head? Mine is

not coming back!

>

[Guest guest]

Your welcome Here's wishing you happy hair growth. I'm in the

same boat. My ferritin is 27. I just started iron & Armour, so

hopefully it will stem the loss. I'm having to do a " comb-over " in

the back on the thin spots. Yikes!

Oh, don't forget to talk to the coumpounding pharmacy about a credit

for the cream. Did you see those comments in my other <very long,

very scrolly> post?

>

> Yes I did, my ferritin was 40 so I bought some iron and have been

taking it about a month. I did not know hair loss could happen with

low iron! Thanks for that information and the link/article below..

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your welcome Here's wishing you happy hair growth. I'm in the

same boat. My ferritin is 27. I just started iron & Armour, so

hopefully it will stem the loss. I'm having to do a " comb-over " in

the back on the thin spots. Yikes!

Oh, don't forget to talk to the coumpounding pharmacy about a credit

for the cream. Did you see those comments in my other <very long,

very scrolly> post?

>

> Yes I did, my ferritin was 40 so I bought some iron and have been

taking it about a month. I did not know hair loss could happen with

low iron! Thanks for that information and the link/article below..

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your welcome Here's wishing you happy hair growth. I'm in the

same boat. My ferritin is 27. I just started iron & Armour, so

hopefully it will stem the loss. I'm having to do a " comb-over " in

the back on the thin spots. Yikes!

Oh, don't forget to talk to the coumpounding pharmacy about a credit

for the cream. Did you see those comments in my other <very long,

very scrolly> post?

>

> Yes I did, my ferritin was 40 so I bought some iron and have been

taking it about a month. I did not know hair loss could happen with

low iron! Thanks for that information and the link/article below..

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ha ha ha! Credit for the cream! The jerks never ever sent me product info

and the prices are a joke. 144.oo for 3 small tubes.

-- Re: Hair Loss

Your welcome Here's wishing you happy hair growth. I'm in the

same boat. My ferritin is 27. I just started iron & Armour, so

hopefully it will stem the loss. I'm having to do a " comb-over " in

the back on the thin spots. Yikes!

Oh, don't forget to talk to the coumpounding pharmacy about a credit

for the cream. Did you see those comments in my other <very long,

very scrolly> post?

>

> Yes I did, my ferritin was 40 so I bought some iron and have been

taking it about a month. I did not know hair loss could happen with

low iron! Thanks for that information and the link/article below..

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ha ha ha! Credit for the cream! The jerks never ever sent me product info

and the prices are a joke. 144.oo for 3 small tubes.

-- Re: Hair Loss

Your welcome Here's wishing you happy hair growth. I'm in the

same boat. My ferritin is 27. I just started iron & Armour, so

hopefully it will stem the loss. I'm having to do a " comb-over " in

the back on the thin spots. Yikes!

Oh, don't forget to talk to the coumpounding pharmacy about a credit

for the cream. Did you see those comments in my other <very long,

very scrolly> post?

>

> Yes I did, my ferritin was 40 so I bought some iron and have been

taking it about a month. I did not know hair loss could happen with

low iron! Thanks for that information and the link/article below..

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ha ha ha! Credit for the cream! The jerks never ever sent me product info

and the prices are a joke. 144.oo for 3 small tubes.

-- Re: Hair Loss

Your welcome Here's wishing you happy hair growth. I'm in the

same boat. My ferritin is 27. I just started iron & Armour, so

hopefully it will stem the loss. I'm having to do a " comb-over " in

the back on the thin spots. Yikes!

Oh, don't forget to talk to the coumpounding pharmacy about a credit

for the cream. Did you see those comments in my other <very long,

very scrolly> post?

>

> Yes I did, my ferritin was 40 so I bought some iron and have been

taking it about a month. I did not know hair loss could happen with

low iron! Thanks for that information and the link/article below..

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just spotted this thread and wanted to add something from my own story.

Have had shedding cycles for a few years now. Finally decided to put

myself on armour with a TSh of 2.5 and mid range T3, but with lots of

hypoT symptoms. In the mean time I built my ferritin up from 17 to 70.

No impact on hair whatsoever- UNTIL I got on the cortisol, then

miracles happened. I do have the miniaturized hairs, presumably from

the low ferritin, which will grow fuller now that I am on the cortisol.

I also noticed that I had no improvement in hypoT symptoms while on

the armour alone. The cortisol was the clincher. Now my hair is not

falling out and I have warm hands and feet for the first time in years.

My adrenal output was so nothing that I started off my treatment with

a 2 week round of prednisone. Now I am on HC and glandular. I stress

dose with Isocort.

We just sort of chip away at this thing and then all of a sudden we get

somewhere.

Eileen

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

>

> Posted by: " jtb14789 " jtb14789@...   jtb14789

>

> Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:37 pm (PST)

> Your welcome Here's wishing you happy hair growth. I'm in the

> same boat. My ferritin is 27. I just started iron & Armour, so

> hopefully it will stem the loss. I'm having to do a " comb-over " in

> the back on the thin spots. Yikes!

>

> Oh, don't forget to talk to the coumpounding pharmacy about a credit

> for the cream. Did you see those comments in my other <very long,

> very scrolly> post?

>

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

[Guest guest]

Just spotted this thread and wanted to add something from my own story.

Have had shedding cycles for a few years now. Finally decided to put

myself on armour with a TSh of 2.5 and mid range T3, but with lots of

hypoT symptoms. In the mean time I built my ferritin up from 17 to 70.

No impact on hair whatsoever- UNTIL I got on the cortisol, then

miracles happened. I do have the miniaturized hairs, presumably from

the low ferritin, which will grow fuller now that I am on the cortisol.

I also noticed that I had no improvement in hypoT symptoms while on

the armour alone. The cortisol was the clincher. Now my hair is not

falling out and I have warm hands and feet for the first time in years.

My adrenal output was so nothing that I started off my treatment with

a 2 week round of prednisone. Now I am on HC and glandular. I stress

dose with Isocort.

We just sort of chip away at this thing and then all of a sudden we get

somewhere.

Eileen

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

>

> Posted by: " jtb14789 " jtb14789@...   jtb14789

>

> Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:37 pm (PST)

> Your welcome Here's wishing you happy hair growth. I'm in the

> same boat. My ferritin is 27. I just started iron & Armour, so

> hopefully it will stem the loss. I'm having to do a " comb-over " in

> the back on the thin spots. Yikes!

>

> Oh, don't forget to talk to the coumpounding pharmacy about a credit

> for the cream. Did you see those comments in my other <very long,

> very scrolly> post?

>

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

[Guest guest]

Just spotted this thread and wanted to add something from my own story.

Have had shedding cycles for a few years now. Finally decided to put

myself on armour with a TSh of 2.5 and mid range T3, but with lots of

hypoT symptoms. In the mean time I built my ferritin up from 17 to 70.

No impact on hair whatsoever- UNTIL I got on the cortisol, then

miracles happened. I do have the miniaturized hairs, presumably from

the low ferritin, which will grow fuller now that I am on the cortisol.

I also noticed that I had no improvement in hypoT symptoms while on

the armour alone. The cortisol was the clincher. Now my hair is not

falling out and I have warm hands and feet for the first time in years.

My adrenal output was so nothing that I started off my treatment with

a 2 week round of prednisone. Now I am on HC and glandular. I stress

dose with Isocort.

We just sort of chip away at this thing and then all of a sudden we get

somewhere.

Eileen

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

>

> Posted by: " jtb14789 " jtb14789@...   jtb14789

>

> Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:37 pm (PST)

> Your welcome Here's wishing you happy hair growth. I'm in the

> same boat. My ferritin is 27. I just started iron & Armour, so

> hopefully it will stem the loss. I'm having to do a " comb-over " in

> the back on the thin spots. Yikes!

>

> Oh, don't forget to talk to the coumpounding pharmacy about a credit

> for the cream. Did you see those comments in my other <very long,

> very scrolly> post?

>

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

[Guest guest]

Eileen,

You give me hope! I'm having a hard time with the HC...waiting to add thyroid

supplementation and iodine. Got to get a dropper for Lugol's which didn't come

with one. I guess drug stores carry these?

Anyway, what glandular are you taking?

Thanks for sharing your good news. I'm happy for you!

Atlanta Girl wrote: Just spotted this thread and

wanted to add something from my own story.

Have had shedding cycles for a few years now. Finally decided to put

myself on armour with a TSh of 2.5 and mid range T3, but with lots of

hypoT symptoms. In the mean time I built my ferritin up from 17 to 70.

No impact on hair whatsoever- UNTIL I got on the cortisol, then

miracles happened. I do have the miniaturized hairs, presumably from

the low ferritin, which will grow fuller now that I am on the cortisol.

I also noticed that I had no improvement in hypoT symptoms while on

the armour alone. The cortisol was the clincher. Now my hair is not

falling out and I have warm hands and feet for the first time in years.

My adrenal output was so nothing that I started off my treatment with

a 2 week round of prednisone. Now I am on HC and glandular. I stress

dose with Isocort.

We just sort of chip away at this thing and then all of a sudden we get

somewhere.

Eileen

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/

>

> Posted by: " jtb14789 " jtb14789@... jtb14789

>

> Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:37 pm (PST)

> Your welcome Here's wishing you happy hair growth. I'm in the

> same boat. My ferritin is 27. I just started iron & Armour, so

> hopefully it will stem the loss. I'm having to do a " comb-over " in

> the back on the thin spots. Yikes!

>

> Oh, don't forget to talk to the coumpounding pharmacy about a credit

> for the cream. Did you see those comments in my other

> very scrolly> post?

>

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/growhair/