Re: chelation-Andy

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>Andy,

>I wrote you earlier about my son and his stimmy behavior on 50mg of

>DSMA after doing 10 weeks chelation every weekend every 4 hours hes

>28 pounds. you said the dose should be more like 12.5 or 15mg. should

>I cut him back to 15mg right away or cut the dose to 25mg first then

>slowly take him down? Or does it matter? Also if we add ALA what mg

>should it be? Thanks alot

>Julee Spear Blue Springs MO

>emaildericspear@...

Hullo Julee,

Andy has been pretty scarce lately, so I'm more inclined than

usual to answer mail addressed to him. Perhaps I should just

issue a blanket statement once and for all, but I do tend to

feel I'm butting in.

In any case, regarding Andy's advice on how of DMSA and ALA

to use, it is: 1/8 to 1/2 mg per pound of body weight per dose.

If you use ONE (DMSA in your case) you use that amt. If you

use both (DMSA and ALA) then you use that amt of EACH.

I think you would just begin the next round at the lower

dose (15 mg). But I don't think you should change in the

middle of a round. Also, using Andy's suggested dose range,

15 mg would actually be " the high end " for your child.

best of luck with it.

Moria

[Guest guest]

> Andy,

> hi I recently asked about my 2 and a half year old son doing

> chelation DSMA 50 mg for 10 weeks every 4 hours every weekend. I

told

> you that he had been very stimmy and unfocused since 2nd round, you

> said that 12.5 to 15mg was more reasonable. well do I take him right

> down to 15 mg

Yes.

>or do I slowly do it like going to 25 mg? Also what mg

> of ALA should he take?

About the same as the DMSA.

>Kirkmans lab has a DSMA/ALA combo 15mgDSMA and

> 15mg ALA is this ok or to high?

This is just fine.

>thanks alot Julee Spear

> emaildericspear@h..

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Andy/Moria:

My son started chelation 12 days ago, only did one round of DMSA only and it

went great! In the meantime, we got back a stool test telling us that the

Three rounds of Diflucan used for his 4+ yeast did not do a thing. My DAN

doctor wants me to put chelation on hold and try a new yeast medicine. We

were ready to start our second round of chelation tonight. What do you think?

Isnt it the mercury that is making it so impossible for our little kids to

rid this yeast? What have others done? Im ready to go ahead with my 3 days on

and then on the off cycle do the yeast medicine. (not sure which one he is

going to use yet). Any advice? Thanks, Luke's Mom,

[Guest guest]

I'd say, go for the chelation. Maybe use some anti-yeast agents (Caprystatin?

coconut milk?) or some probiotics (colostrum from Kirkman's, Primal Defense,

etc) on the off- days, or maybe even the on-days. But yes, they say you won't

get a handle on the yeast until you get rid of the mercury.

We did a long long stint of Diflucan several years ago, before we heard of

chelation and when we were new to the gfcf diet. On diet, I don't think the

yeast ever came back as bad, but with chelation and diet, I think we are doing

even better.

Lorilyn

My DAN

doctor wants me to put chelation on hold and try a new yeast medicine. We

were ready to start our second round of chelation tonight. What do you think?

Isnt it the mercury that is making it so impossible for our little kids to

rid this yeast?

[Guest guest]

,

I'm sorry that I don't know the answer to your question, but we're in the

same situation. My son showed a 4+ for yeast also and he's been on

Diflucan for two weeks now. One DAN Dr. told me to keep him on it for 2

weeks, take 2 weeks off and then again on for 2 more weeks and not to

chelate. Another DAN Dr. (Our pediatrician) told me the same thing but to

take 1 week off in between 2 two week rounds. When you mentioned rounds,

was it for 4 weeks each round? Does anyone else know about the use of

Diflucan at the same time as chelation?

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>

> ,

> I'm sorry that I don't know the answer to your question, but we're

in the

> same situation. My son showed a 4+ for yeast also and he's been on

> Diflucan for two weeks now. One DAN Dr. told me to keep him on it

for 2

> weeks, take 2 weeks off and then again on for 2 more weeks and not

to

> chelate. Another DAN Dr. (Our pediatrician) told me the same thing

but to

> take 1 week off in between 2 two week rounds. When you mentioned

rounds,

> was it for 4 weeks each round? Does anyone else know about the use

of

> Diflucan at the same time as chelation?

It is fine.

>

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> Andy/Moria:

> My son started chelation 12 days ago, only did one round of DMSA

only and it

> went great! In the meantime, we got back a stool test telling us

that the

> Three rounds of Diflucan used for his 4+ yeast did not do a thing.

Of course it didn't. he's toxic. The yeast comes right back as soon

as you stop.

> My DAN

> doctor wants me to put chelation on hold and try a new yeast

medicine.

This is the worst possible choice you could make. you won't be able

to treat him succesfully until you detox him a bit, and there is no

reason you can't do both at the same time.

>We

> were ready to start our second round of chelation tonight. What do

you think?

> Isnt it the mercury that is making it so impossible for our little

kids to

> rid this yeast? What have others done? Im ready to go ahead with my

3 days on

> and then on the off cycle do the yeast medicine. (not sure which one

he is

> going to use yet). Any advice? Thanks, Luke's Mom,

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have bee

[Guest guest]

Julee and Moria,

Actually, I have twice reduced (in mid round) both my son's and my

own dose of DMSA and had no problems whasoever in either case. In

fact, it reduced the negative effects immediately. I was told to not

wait by my chelation expert ..... of course by now, LOL, you are way

passed that round anyway. But for others I would not hesitate to say

that mid round reduction in dosing was just fine and in fact was an

immediately positive thing.

Jeannie

> >Andy,

> >I wrote you earlier about my son and his stimmy behavior on 50mg

of

> >DSMA after doing 10 weeks chelation every weekend every 4 hours

hes

> >28 pounds. you said the dose should be more like 12.5 or 15mg.

should

> >I cut him back to 15mg right away or cut the dose to 25mg first

then

> >slowly take him down? Or does it matter? Also if we add ALA what

mg

> >should it be? Thanks alot

> >Julee Spear Blue Springs MO

> >emaildericspear@h...

>

>

> Hullo Julee,

>

> Andy has been pretty scarce lately, so I'm more inclined than

> usual to answer mail addressed to him. Perhaps I should just

> issue a blanket statement once and for all, but I do tend to

> feel I'm butting in.

>

> In any case, regarding Andy's advice on how of DMSA and ALA

> to use, it is: 1/8 to 1/2 mg per pound of body weight per dose.

> If you use ONE (DMSA in your case) you use that amt. If you

> use both (DMSA and ALA) then you use that amt of EACH.

>

> I think you would just begin the next round at the lower

> dose (15 mg). But I don't think you should change in the

> middle of a round. Also, using Andy's suggested dose range,

> 15 mg would actually be " the high end " for your child.

>

> best of luck with it.

> Moria

[Guest guest]

:

No, my DAN doctor had my son on Diflucan 10 days on 10 days off for three

rounds. So it was a stretch of 60 days 30 of which he was on the Diflucan. It

didnt help at all. His yeast remained a 4+ on his stool test, so now we are

getting ready to begin Sporanox. I hope it helps. I do not want to stop

chelating though. I will use DMSA on the days we are not on the Sporanox.

Once again we are going to do three rounds of 10 days on Sporonox and 10 days

off. Has anyone out there had good Luck with healing the yeast issure with

Sporonox? Have you chelated while still having yeast in the system? I just

hate to waste more precious time, not chelating when I know if we get the

Mercury out the gut will get better.

[Guest guest]

I did chelate a round or two while he had a 4+ for yeast but am stopping

for awhile now. At least until we do a week off of the Diflucan and then

resume with another 2 weeks on. On the off days as well as the on with

Diflucan, I have been giving him Primal Defense and probiotics.

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Where do you get the Primal Defense? It is a probiotic? THanks

[Guest guest]

I was told it is a probiotic...and something else...can't remember!? I'm

getting it from Dr. Kartzinel's office in FL (321-953-0277)

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Where do you get the Primal Defense? It is a probiotic? THanks