Guest guest Posted October 11, 2001 Report Share Posted October 11, 2001 Welcome to our Dutch friend! re: Message: 5 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:45:56 +0200 Subject: Sex and recommended hysterectomy Hi, My name is Effie. I live in The Netherlands, I'm 48 years Recently we've been having some open discussions about orgasms and uteri and sex and hysterectomy. Several members here have voted to have a myomectomy for this reason. I had one 2 weeks ago and I am 57 years old! I had 2 women doctors think I was crazy to want to salvage my sex life and acted like I didn't know what I was talking about or feeling. But I am convinced that my orgasms would have been greatly diminished, if not completely gone, without a uterus. To others this is not so much of a concern (for their own private reasons) or of course because they have severe health problems including cancer. Where are you going for your surgery? The US? Good luck and let us know your plans. Gay Courter gay@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 has anyone on this site " lost " orgasms after having a hyster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 Hi, I haven't had hysterectomy, but I came across some info that might be useful. I JUST read a press release about a study (a legitimate one) which revealed that post-hyterectomy women who took HRT were WAY more likely to acheive orgasm than those who are not on HRT (something like 80% vs 20%--wacky numbers). I don't remember where I read it, but I'll see if I can find it again and let you know. CP --- sdPrudhomme@... wrote: > has anyone on this site " lost " orgasms after having > a hyster? > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 --- sdPrudhomme@... wrote: >> has anyone on this site " lost " orgasms after having >> a hyster? Piano: > I haven't had hysterectomy, but I came across some > info that might be useful. > I JUST read a press release about a study (a > legitimate one) which revealed that post-hyterectomy > women who took HRT were WAY more likely to acheive > orgasm than those who are not on HRT (something like > 80% vs 20%--wacky numbers). I don't remember where I > read it, but I'll see if I can find it again and let > you know. I'm a bit suspicious about the way that such researches use the term " achieve orgasm " ... if this is based on women reporting on their sexual response, does it also take the type of orgasm into account and its intensity? Or the fact that a lot of women don't know how their response would be if they were less sexually repressed? It's amazing how much this is taboo and female pleasure is treated as if women with intense orgasms are tramps or perverts. So what I'm meaning to say (badly, I'm sure) is that the perception of " orgasm " in the research may be coloured slightly by the prevailing taboos. Effie. (happy to be not an average woman, but aware that the statistics are almost completely useless) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 I wish I could find the darn report, but I do remember that women were asked to keep diaries over the course of several months post-HRT. Anyway, I can't vouch for the study--I was only offering up the suggestion that PERHAPS HRT may help recover lost sexual response. --- Effie Andree Wiltens wrote: > --- sdPrudhomme@... wrote: > >> has anyone on this site " lost " orgasms after > having > >> a hyster? > > Piano: > > I haven't had hysterectomy, but I came across some > > info that might be useful. > > I JUST read a press release about a study (a > > legitimate one) which revealed that > post-hyterectomy > > women who took HRT were WAY more likely to acheive > > orgasm than those who are not on HRT (something > like > > 80% vs 20%--wacky numbers). I don't remember > where I > > read it, but I'll see if I can find it again and > let > > you know. > > I'm a bit suspicious about the way that such > researches > use the term " achieve orgasm " ... if this is based on > > women reporting on their sexual response, does it > also take the type of orgasm into account and its > intensity? Or the fact that a lot of women don't > know how their response would be if they were > less sexually repressed? > > It's amazing how much this is taboo and female > pleasure is treated as if women with intense orgasms > > are tramps or perverts. > > So what I'm meaning to say (badly, I'm sure) is > that the perception of " orgasm " in the research > may be coloured slightly by the prevailing taboos. > > Effie. > (happy to be not an average woman, but aware that > the statistics are almost completely useless) > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Piano > I wish I could find the darn report, but I do > remember that women were asked to keep > diaries over the course of several months > post-HRT. Anyway, I can't vouch for the > study--I was only offering up the suggestion > that PERHAPS HRT may help recover lost > sexual response. Duh... that is probably correct since hormones do play a part in the response. HRT does probably help avoid losing the hormonal response (although that still must be difficult to regulate; the body is self-regulating and HRT is regulated with fixed doses). Keeping a diary for several months post-op isn't enough to determine if any " change " is effected. The months immediately following the operation are maybe not the best time to measure the " returned to health " situaion... you're still recovering from major surgery. Also, for the information in the diary to prove or disprove change, let alone measure the change, it's necessary to compare it to the pre-op situation... preferably at a time before your general wellbeing has been disturbed by the symptoms leading to the surgery and anxiety because of the surgery. Starting a diary just after you found out that you're going to be operated is maybe not the best time!! So, you'd have to have frank and honest data from women who can well remember their sexual response from before anything was wrong... well enough to detail what they felt in such a way that the post-op response can be objectively measured against it. For 'most people that's a pretty tall order. Unfortunately, doctors do not appear to be trusted partners in preserving the sexuality that nobody dares to be specific about. HRT is not an option for myself... there is is a very strong genetic risk of breast cancer (mother, aunt, grandmother, niece). This is the reason why I've stayed away from the Pill or ANY hormones in my life ( " better safe than sorry " and generally distrust medication therapies for conditions that the body can deal with itself at the expense of a little discomfort). Effie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 , I have read that testosterone added to the mix they give is sometimes useful in restoring libido.However,I also think that it is not everyone who responds in the same way to hormones or just anyone who can prescribe when we get into these fine tuning things. Best, bonnie Piano wrote: > I wish I could find the darn report, but I do remember > that women were asked to keep diaries over the course > of several months post-HRT. Anyway, I can't vouch for > the study--I was only offering up the suggestion that > PERHAPS HRT may help recover lost sexual response. > > --- Effie Andree Wiltens wrote: > > --- sdPrudhomme@... wrote: > > >> has anyone on this site " lost " orgasms after > > having > > >> a hyster? > > > > Piano: > > > I haven't had hysterectomy, but I came across some > > > info that might be useful. > > > I JUST read a press release about a study (a > > > legitimate one) which revealed that > > post-hyterectomy > > > women who took HRT were WAY more likely to acheive > > > orgasm than those who are not on HRT (something > > like > > > 80% vs 20%--wacky numbers). I don't remember > > where I > > > read it, but I'll see if I can find it again and > > let > > > you know. > > > > I'm a bit suspicious about the way that such > > researches > > use the term " achieve orgasm " ... if this is based on > > > > women reporting on their sexual response, does it > > also take the type of orgasm into account and its > > intensity? Or the fact that a lot of women don't > > know how their response would be if they were > > less sexually repressed? > > > > It's amazing how much this is taboo and female > > pleasure is treated as if women with intense orgasms > > > > are tramps or perverts. > > > > So what I'm meaning to say (badly, I'm sure) is > > that the perception of " orgasm " in the research > > may be coloured slightly by the prevailing taboos. > > > > Effie. > > (happy to be not an average woman, but aware that > > the statistics are almost completely useless) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Bonnie, Plourde, author of " The Ultimate Rape " , in her chat at Webmd.com, talked about how it took her years to find a doctor who can give her the right mix of estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone to restore her sex drive after her hysterectomy. Donna Jung > , > I have read that testosterone added to the mix they give is > sometimes useful in restoring libido.However,I also think that > it is not everyone who responds in the same way to hormones or > just anyone who can prescribe when we get into these fine > tuning things. > Best, > bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Dear Group, Just wanted to let everyone know that I am unsubscribing from this group. I have been a member for 3 months and have been reading messages without writing any, because I kept seeing people being " attacked " by other members merely for expressing their point of view. Women who opted for hyterectomy being " shamed " by women who don't believe in them. Women who took HRT being criticized by women who don't believe in it. I was afraid the same thing would happen to me once I started writing. About 3 days ago, I decided it was time I started participating in some of the discussions. In just 3 days of trying to contribute my perhaps " limited " experience, I have gotten mostly mean-spirited e-mails like the one that follows here. (Starting a message out by saying " Duh " to someone who is only trying to offer a point of view is childish and cruel) I can do without the abuse. Farewell. --- Effie Andree Wiltens wrote: > > Duh... that is probably correct since hormones > do play a part in the response. HRT does > probably help avoid losing the hormonal > response (although that still must be difficult > to regulate; the body is self-regulating and HRT > is regulated with fixed doses). > > Keeping a diary for several months post-op > isn't enough to determine if any " change " is > effected. The months immediately following > the operation are maybe not the best time to > measure the " returned to health " situaion... > you're still recovering from major surgery. > > Also, for the information in the diary to > prove or disprove change, let alone measure > the change, it's necessary to compare it to > the pre-op situation... preferably at a time > before your general wellbeing has been > disturbed by the symptoms leading to the > surgery and anxiety because of the surgery. > Starting a diary just after you found out > that you're going to be operated is maybe > not the best time!! > > So, you'd have to have frank and honest > data from women who can well remember > their sexual response from before anything > was wrong... well enough to detail what they > felt in such a way that the post-op response > can be objectively measured against it. For > 'most people that's a pretty tall order. > > Unfortunately, doctors do not appear to be > trusted partners in preserving the sexuality > that nobody dares to be specific about. > > HRT is not an option for myself... there is > is a very strong genetic risk of breast cancer > (mother, aunt, grandmother, niece). This is > the reason why I've stayed away from the > Pill or ANY hormones in my life ( " better > safe than sorry " and generally distrust > medication therapies for conditions that > the body can deal with itself at the expense > of a little discomfort). > > Effie. > > Piano > > I wish I could find the darn report, but I do > > remember that women were asked to keep > > diaries over the course of several months > > post-HRT. Anyway, I can't vouch for the > > study--I was only offering up the suggestion > > that PERHAPS HRT may help recover lost > > sexual response. > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2001 Report Share Posted October 15, 2001 Yes,Donna.Thanks again for bringing some great info. to the group. Best, Bonnie Donna Jung wrote: > Bonnie, > > Plourde, author of " The Ultimate Rape " , in her chat at > Webmd.com, talked about how it took her years to find a doctor who > can give her the right mix of estrogen, progesterone, and > testosterone to restore her sex drive after her hysterectomy. > > Donna Jung > > > > , > > I have read that testosterone added to the mix they give is > > sometimes useful in restoring libido.However,I also think that > > it is not everyone who responds in the same way to hormones or > > just anyone who can prescribe when we get into these fine > > tuning things. > > Best, > > bonnie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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