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HI Joe

On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:18:01 Joe Berenbaum

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> At 18:20 18/06/98 +0100, you wrote:

> >Altho Lefever, director of the PROMIS rehab here in

> >the UK considers the term of no value he did not make any

> >effort to stop his counsellors using it when I was there.

>

> It is a bit surprising that the term " co-dependency " be banned, along with

> Coda, while all the other dignostic a dn treatment nonsense that don't

> actually make any more sense were kept intact.

Well the term *wasnt* banned, but i think thats only

because Lefever didnt know ppl were using it. when i told

him, he said " I cant make ppl stop using a word " - but he

made them stop doing lots of other things - you couldnt

smoke, one guy got in trouble for putting on weight (he was

told he'd switched from drink to food) and you couldnt go

to CODA or refer others to it to name but four. Lefever

himself told me that the rules of employment were

Bible-thick.

theres a good reason why Lefever doesnt endorse

codependency. he reckons there are two types of addict -

" primary " - the classic alkie, druggie, whatever, and the

co-addict or " compulsive helper as Lefever calls them - the

Al-Anon type, who is now often called " codependent " .

Lefever reckons this distinction is very importnat - he

reckons theyre two quite different kind of addict, and

ought to go to different fellowships. going to the

*wrong* fellowship may make you worse as you plug in to the

other kind of addict. it's possible to have both kinds of

addiction, but its rare, and if you do you have to go to two

separate fellowships for them.

He founded both " Addictions Anonymous " and " Helpers

Anonymous " to fit those two fellowhip roles, and funnels

his patients into them the same way the rehabs ordinarily

funnel their patients into the older fellowships. I dont

know abt the latter, but the former has now crossed the

pond and is in the US where it functions a bit like NA, but

Gamblers and Bulimics etc can go to it. only sig others

who are not themselves primary addicts arent wanted.

He has two beefs with CoDA. One is, that CoDA makes no such

distinction of addict type; tho clearly initially aimed at

his " helping " kind, it encourages anyone to show up who

wants to, including " primary " addicts. Primary addictions

are seen as just resulting from the person's codependency.

hence, lefever reckons CoDa can make ppl sicker rather than

better - certainly he thinks they wont get better. The

second is that CoDA portrays addiction of all kinds as

mostly resulting from abuse in childhood. Lefever's wedded

to the disease model and genetic etiology, and he

encourages his patients to think that their " disease " was

something they were born with and would have developed

anyway. what his unconscious motives for that might be I'll

leave up to you to speculate on - but he has good

reason. I've asked him to join addict-l to put his

position - no reply.

>

> >I was amazed to see the term " codependency " appear in a

> >psychological paper that listed Lefever as a co-author.

Perhaps I shouldnt have been... after all, i'd seen his own

counsellors using the word all the time. funnily enough,

that paper blew his theories out of the water. A factor

analysis of the addiction problems in his patients

(including yours truly, btw) clearly showed that addictive

problems did *not* divide along the fault line he had

drawn for them. instead, they showed a " Hedonistic " and a

" Nurturant " pattern that to some extent looked like his

ideas but many addictions fell on the wrong side of the

line. there was also an amazingly strong gender factor that

was ludicrously played down imho.

he told me this finding himself - but it didnt gel with

him what it meant. as far as i know he still holds his

original theories and supports those two new fellowships,

even tho his own patient data doesnt support looking at

addiction that way.

> >

> >I did my final year BSc Psychology research project on

> >Codependency - copies are available to anyone interested.

>

> , I'd like that if I can have a copy. You already have my address- or

> I'll give it to you again if need be. I can even pay postage if you want.

Are you able to accept it electronically? MSWORD format? I

can let you have it that way if you wish. saves on postage.

P.

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Judie,

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