Re: URGENT QUESTION ON FILLINGS

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't know if it is " okay " . I'm not really sure if ANYthing

is " completely okay " . I haven't started my research on the

materials that are (now) in my mouth. (I believe that the stuff

in my mouth now is a lot better than amalgam, but don't know

that it is without its risks.)

I think gold is " relatively okay " to have in one's mouth.

(I am speaking of gold ITESELF, not mixtures made of largely

gold that are called " gold " but contain other stuff. Then

the other stuff is a question.)

Bernie has said that palladium is harmful.

I don't know anything about the other stuff.

good luck!

Moria

--- In @y..., & Haramia <jharamia@p...>

wrote:

> Hi, group~

> I have a friend who is ready to have her crowns replaced and then

> chelate, but she doesn't have Internet access....so I'm asking this

> question for her. She needs an answer ASAP, so if anyone can answer

> soon, it's much appreciated.

>

> The dentist is proposing to replace her crowns with

porcelain-covered

> alloy caps. The composite alloy mixture includes: gold, platinum,

and

> palladium (actually, the paper says Au, Pd, In, Ga, and Ku).

>

> Question #1: Does this sound like an acceptable composite?

> Question #2: Is it ok for her to go ahead and chelate with these

in

> place?

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

Hello :

What is safe for one person may not be for another because their bodies

are different. Your friend should get a bio compatibility test done.

You can order the test kit from CCRLABs their web site is

http://www.ccrlab.com/ This test will demonstrate what is " safe " and

" not so safe " and definately " not safe " in regards to dental materials.

The test costs about $225.00. You send the check in with the kit. The

kit comes with all the shipping instructions. Your friend can have her

dentist order the kit for her. Once received she will need to have

someone do the blood draw and spin the blood to remove the portion of the

blood needed for the lab to do the test. Once sent in you'll get the

results in about 7 to 10 days. I've done this and it is very helpful and

can be used for the rest of your life.

Hope this helps

In Christ's love and mine...Jen : )

On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:33:53 -0500 & Haramia

<jharamia@...> writes:

Hi, group~

I have a friend who is ready to have her crowns replaced and then

chelate, but she doesn't have Internet access....so I'm asking this

question for her. She needs an answer ASAP, so if anyone can answer

soon, it's much appreciated.

The dentist is proposing to replace her crowns with porcelain-covered

alloy caps. The composite alloy mixture includes: gold, platinum, and

palladium (actually, the paper says Au, Pd, In, Ga, and Ku).

Question #1: Does this sound like an acceptable composite?

Question #2: Is it ok for her to go ahead and chelate with these in

place?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

--- In @y..., & Haramia <jharamia@p...>

wrote:

> The dentist is proposing to replace her crowns with porcelain-

covered

> alloy caps. The composite alloy mixture includes: gold, platinum,

and

> palladium (actually, the paper says Au, Pd, In, Ga, and Ku).

>

> Question #1: Does this sound like an acceptable composite?

> Question #2: Is it ok for her to go ahead and chelate with these

in

> place?

>

> Thanks!

>

My wife has just had the same experience, and has the same

questions. After having her amalgams removed and replaced, she

requires a crown on one tooth. The dentist has told her that she

prefers to use the gold / palladium / platinum amalgam to help bind

the crown. She said that she can do it without, although presumably

it will not be as secure.

I read where Bernie (message 25590) states that there may possibly be

problems with palladium regarding Lupus, and that its use is not

allowed in Germany or Switzerland.

Does anyone have any more information or comments?

At this point, I think that it is better to avoid such metals and

risk the crown falling out.

Joe Marciano

[Guest guest]

> > The composite alloy mixture includes:

> > gold, platinum, and

> > palladium (actually, the paper says Au, Pd, In, Ga, and Ku).

I don't know what Ku is. Are you sure it is spelled that way? Cu is

copper and might make some sense in that alloy.

> >

> > Question #1: Does this sound like an acceptable composite?

Yes. Some people object to palladium. I am not sure if there is a

good reason for that.

> > Question #2: Is it ok for her to go ahead and chelate with

these

> in

> > place?

I think so.

> > Thanks!

> >

>

> My wife has just had the same experience, and has the same

> questions. After having her amalgams removed and replaced, she

> requires a crown on one tooth. The dentist has told her that she

> prefers to use the gold / palladium / platinum amalgam to help bind

> the crown. She said that she can do it without, although presumably

> it will not be as secure.

>

> I read where Bernie (message 25590) states that there may possibly

be

> problems with palladium regarding Lupus, and that its use is not

> allowed in Germany or Switzerland.

>

> Does anyone have any more information or comments?

> At this point, I think that it is better to avoid such metals and

> risk the crown falling out.

>

> Joe Marciano

[Guest guest]

> > > The composite alloy mixture includes:

> > > gold, platinum, and

> > > palladium (actually, the paper says Au, Pd, In, Ga, and Ku).

>

> I don't know what Ku is. Are you sure it is spelled that way? Cu

is copper and might make some sense in that alloy.

> > >

Copper does make more sense, but this is the way it was typed in the

previous post. Element 104 which is artificial is Ku = kurciatovio,

but I guess that the only way you would have this is if the material

were made in a nuclear reactor.

> > > Question #1: Does this sound like an acceptable composite?

>

> Yes. Some people object to palladium. I am not sure if there is a

> good reason for that.

Thanks for the fast reply. At this point she has told the dentist to

proceed without the gold alloy. If it falls out she may reconsider.

Joe Marciano

[Guest guest]

>My wife has just had the same experience, and has the same

>questions. After having her amalgams removed and replaced, she

>requires a crown on one tooth. The dentist has told her that she

>prefers to use the gold / palladium / platinum amalgam to help bind

>the crown. She said that she can do it without, although presumably

>it will not be as secure.

>

>I read where Bernie (message 25590) states that there may possibly be

>problems with palladium regarding Lupus, and that its use is not

>allowed in Germany or Switzerland.

>

>Does anyone have any more information or comments?

>At this point, I think that it is better to avoid such metals and

>risk the crown falling out.

>

>Joe Marciano

Hi Joe,

Can the dentist get gold w/o this other stuff in it?

The non-merc dentist I went to for amalgam replacements found

I needed a root canal and crown. The crown I got is gold, and

he said that gold is not all alike, he used a gold that he

said is less toxic (or less prone to reactivity). I didn't

ask what is in either the one he used or other golds.

Moria

[Guest guest]

> Hi Joe,

>

> Can the dentist get gold w/o this other stuff in it?

>

> The non-merc dentist I went to for amalgam replacements found

> I needed a root canal and crown. The crown I got is gold, and

> he said that gold is not all alike, he used a gold that he

> said is less toxic (or less prone to reactivity). I didn't

> ask what is in either the one he used or other golds.

>

> Moria

Yes, pure gold was discussed, which is what the dentist herself has,

but this would have a much higher cost. The idea of something

being " less toxic " or prone to reactivity doesn't sound so good to

me. At this point, my wife has opted for porcelain only.

Interestingly, when she called in to the dental office to change from

the gold alloy, the receptionist didn't think it could be done, but

the dentist confirmed that she can do it this way. There is no root

canal in her case.

Joe Marciano

[Guest guest]

>Yes, pure gold was discussed, which is what the dentist herself has,

>but this would have a much higher cost. The idea of something

>being " less toxic " or prone to reactivity doesn't sound so good to

>me. At this point, my wife has opted for porcelain only.

>Interestingly, when she called in to the dental office to change from

>the gold alloy, the receptionist didn't think it could be done, but

>the dentist confirmed that she can do it this way. There is no root

>canal in her case.

>

>Joe Marciano

My reference to " less toxic " or less reactivity -- um--

I think pretty much ANY substance will provoke some reactivity

at least in some people--- and I'm not at all convinced that

there is ANY filling material that is not somewhat toxic.

This is just my opionion-- or my concern----

Anyway, I didn't mean that the gold is particularly toxic.

Most everything is " less toxic " than, say, mercury. I meant

" less toxic " as a GOOD thing

Moria