Re: Re: the study about the professor at Dartmouth

August 27, 2001

Hi,

I am new here. My son is 3 year and 5 month old now. I haven't done any

DMSA and ALA on him yet. He is currently on a homeopathy protocol. I

wonder whether I should give some thing to start chelate his mercury. My

understanding is the homeopathy protocol may only fix the problem of

vaccine viral part. The heavy metal still should be chelated by DMSA. I

did track his mercury in his hair. The data I got on May 29th this year is

4.6ug/g which the reference range should be less than 0.4ug/g. He also is

high in Arsenic, Antimony, and Tin.

Anyone can give me some detail about various DMSA protocol.

Ping

August 27, 2001

My understanding is that Dimethylmercury is infinitely more toxic than ethyl

or methyl mercury. Is that correct?

Celia

[ ] Re: the study about the professor at Dartmouth

> Most importantly, she got an overwhelming acute exposure and probably

> accumulated a lot more than a lethal dose in her body before the

> symptoms became apparent.

>

> Andy

>

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>

August 28, 2001

,

Did they happen to show her essential elements results from the hair analysis

which would serve to teach others about the counting rules? Any way we can get

her family or co-workers in on the efforts to ban the stuff in

vaccines/dentistry, etc, maybe by hooking them up with Dan Burton?

S

On Mon, 27 August 2001, Owens wrote:

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> I agree with you about their schedule and protocol. & nbsp; I'm not certain what

> they meant by 21 day cycles, as they didn't really say in the text where

> they mentioned this. & nbsp; I seem to have misplaced one page, and that was

where

> they graphically showed her chelation cycles, so when I find it, I'll

> report back the interval between cycles. & nbsp; Sorry.

>

> They showed her hair mercury rising 17 days after exposure, and showed the

> level in her hair dropping from about 1100 ng/mg at its height which

> occurred about 40 days after exposure. & nbsp; By the time she developed

symptoms

> and started chelation (168 days post-exposure), hair levels were already

> down to 380. & nbsp; They didn't show hair data after they started

chelation.

>

> Her urinary levels of mercury after they started chelation got as high as

> 39 mg/day dropped off to .1 mg/day about 45 days after they started

> treatment. & nbsp; It picked up only slightly after that and then dropped off

> again. I think you would be hard-pressed to interpret this urinary dropoff

> as an indicator that the job had gotten done, since her erythrocyte levels

> were still at 5,000 ug/liter! & nbsp; They used a logarithmic scale but doesn't

> look like urinary levels ever got over .5 mg/day after it dropped off 45

> days into the chelation process.

>

> Even so, the level in her whole blood, plasma and red cells DID continue to

> decline when urinary levels were not showing much excretion and they had

> about the same slope the whole time. & nbsp; Blood levels didn't show the same

big

> change that occurred on day 203 in the urine(except a very slight rise in

> plasma levels) so I suspect this must have reflected a big change in the

> kidneys. & nbsp; It seems there was a big falloff of blood-related levels from

> about 260 days to 265 days, and then they showed no more data. & nbsp; I guess

> they had given up. & nbsp; She died on the 298th day.

>

> At 8/26/2001 -070002:07 PM, you wrote:

> & gt;The high dose and 8 hr protocol probably didn't help. & nbsp; What did they

mean

> & gt;by a 21-day schedule?...21 on/21 off?

> & gt; S

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August 28, 2001

Any indication or way to find out if she had additional exposure through

dentistry or medicine in the interim between lab exposure and onset of

neurological symptoms? Kind of a last straw which they may not have even

considered.

S

On Mon, 27 August 2001, Owens wrote:

>

> <html><body>

> <tt>

> ,

>

> I agree with you about their schedule and protocol. & nbsp; I'm not certain what

> they meant by 21 day cycles, as they didn't really say in the text where

> they mentioned this. & nbsp; I seem to have misplaced one page, and that was

where

> they graphically showed her chelation cycles, so when I find it, I'll

> report back the interval between cycles. & nbsp; Sorry.

>

> They showed her hair mercury rising 17 days after exposure, and showed the

> level in her hair dropping from about 1100 ng/mg at its height which

> occurred about 40 days after exposure. & nbsp; By the time she developed

symptoms

> and started chelation (168 days post-exposure), hair levels were already

> down to 380. & nbsp; They didn't show hair data after they started

chelation.

>

> Her urinary levels of mercury after they started chelation got as high as

> 39 mg/day dropped off to .1 mg/day about 45 days after they started

> treatment. & nbsp; It picked up only slightly after that and then dropped off

> again. I think you would be hard-pressed to interpret this urinary dropoff

> as an indicator that the job had gotten done, since her erythrocyte levels

> were still at 5,000 ug/liter! & nbsp; They used a logarithmic scale but doesn't

> look like urinary levels ever got over .5 mg/day after it dropped off 45

> days into the chelation process.

>

> Even so, the level in her whole blood, plasma and red cells DID continue to

> decline when urinary levels were not showing much excretion and they had

> about the same slope the whole time. & nbsp; Blood levels didn't show the same

big

> change that occurred on day 203 in the urine(except a very slight rise in

> plasma levels) so I suspect this must have reflected a big change in the

> kidneys. & nbsp; It seems there was a big falloff of blood-related levels from

> about 260 days to 265 days, and then they showed no more data. & nbsp; I guess

> they had given up. & nbsp; She died on the 298th day.

>

> At 8/26/2001 -070002:07 PM, you wrote:

> & gt;The high dose and 8 hr protocol probably didn't help. & nbsp; What did they

mean

> & gt;by a 21-day schedule?...21 on/21 off?

> & gt; S

>

> </tt>

>

>

>

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August 28, 2001

>I am new here. My son is 3 year and 5 month old now. I haven't done any

>DMSA and ALA on him yet. He is currently on a homeopathy protocol. I

>wonder whether I should give some thing to start chelate his mercury. My

>understanding is the homeopathy protocol may only fix the problem of

>vaccine viral part. The heavy metal still should be chelated by DMSA. I

>did track his mercury in his hair. The data I got on May 29th this year is

>4.6ug/g which the reference range should be less than 0.4ug/g. He also is

>high in Arsenic, Antimony, and Tin.

>

>Anyone can give me some detail about various DMSA protocol.

>

>Ping

Dear Ping,

Well, um, yeah, it sounds like your son has mercury poisoning

all right! I would expect he would benefit from chelation.

Details about the various protocols is a big subject.

I don't feel up to typing quite that much (it would be pages).

Let's see---- overall I'd say that most people on this list

use DMSA first for a while, then use DMSA + ALA.

It is recommended to take/give the DMSA every 4 hours INCLUDING AT

NIGHT. This is discussed a great deal here on this list. Some

people take/give the DMSA every 8 hours (which does NOT require

getting up at night), but this has bad results for some people,

so the " every 4 hours " is thought to be safer.

The general idea is that you give/take the DMSA for a few days in

a row, then you stop, to give the body time to rest, repair and

recuperate. You don't give the DMSA every day. People refer to

this as a " cycle " , and people use " cycles " of different lengths.

3 days on and 4 off is one. 3 days on and 11 off is another.

Those are examples.

I hope this is some help, although I have not explained it all!

Please ask questions about the parts you want to know more about.

Some things will also be more clear from other discussions.

There are a lot of details.

By the way, ALA also chelates arsenic.

best,

Moria

August 28, 2001

Dear Moria, listmates and dear Andy,

Thank you for providing the protocol info. I think my son may be ready to

start DMSA and ALA now. I will retest his hair before I start. I want to

share a little bit of my experience about the natural chelation which is

why I say my son may be ready to start DMSA+ALA. On Jan. 4th this year, I

started to bio-chemically treat my son. That time he was 2 year and 9 month

old. Prior to this data, my son didn't get any treatment, I was just

frustrated and didn't know how to start. Anyway, the hair sample collected

on this date showed he had 1.2ug/g mercury versus 0.4ug/g reference. I

started to give him some compounding vitamin and doing gfcf diet. From May

12th, I got a liquid cilantro extract and started to gave him. May 29th,

his second hair test showed 4.6ug/g mercury data. I consulted several

doctors and was told my son's mercury is coming out. Now I have put him on

this cilantro extract almost 3.5 months and I think it is time for moving

further. I do supple many supplements to him at the same time. He is low

of every nutrient minerals, like zinc, copper, selenium,ect and extremely

high for some elements like sodium and potassium, boron. I really don't

know what the boron is. His toxic level is over 100%. Here is the data:

>

> Element Ref Range Result Color %ile

> ====================================================================

> Aluminum <8 4.6 green within 95th

> Antimony <0.066 0.12 yellow within 95th

> Arsenic <0.08 0.19 yellow within 68th

> Beryllium <0.02 <0.01

> Bismuth <0.13 0.072 green within 95th

> Cadmium <0.15 0.13 green within 95th

> Lead <1 1.1 yellow within 95th

> Mercury <0.4 4.6 red out the range

> Platinum <0.005 <0.003

> Thallium <0.01 <0.001

> Thorium <0.005 <0.001

> Uranium <0.06 0.012 green within 68th

> Nickel <0.4 0.19 green within 68th

> Silver <0.2 0.2 green within 68th

> Tin <0.3 0.43 yellow within 95th

> Titanium <1 0.67 green within 68th

> Total Toxic Rep=red Over 95th

> Calcium 125-370 180 green 16th-50th

> Magnesium 12-30 14 green 16th-50th

> Sodium 12-90 180 yellow 84th-97.5th

> Potassium 12-40 310 red over 97.5th

> Copper 8-16 7.6 yellow 2.5th-16th

> Zinc 100-190 56 red less 2.5th

> Manganese 0.2-0.55 0.2 green 16th-50th

> Chromium 0.26-0.5 0.32 green 16th-50th

> Vanadium 0.03-0.1 0.054 white 50th

> Molybdenum 0.05-0.13 0.098 green 50th-84th

> Boron 0.6-4 86 red over 97.5th

> Iodine 0.25-1.3 0.68 green 50th-80th

> Lithium 0.007-0.023 0.019 green 50th-84th

> Phosphorus 160-250 171 green 16th-50th

> Selenium 0.95-1.7 0.84 yellow 2.5th-16th

> Strontium 0.16-1 0.52 green 50th-84th

> Sulfur 45500-53000 47900 white 50th

> Barium 0.16-0.8 0.78 green 50th-84th

> Cobalt 0.013-0.035 0.015 green 16th-50th

> Iron 8-19 11 white 50th

> Germanium 0.045-0.065 0.046 green 16th-50th

> Rubidium 0.016-0.18 0.26 yellow 84th-97.5th

> Zirconium 0.04-1 0.14 green 16th-50th

I want to share this info to the group and also want to ask dear Andy to

give me some suggestion what the proper dose of DMSA and ALA I should give

to my son. I always consider of safety issue. My son is damaged by the

vaccines for sure. I got 2 MMR and 3 DT three months before the pregancy,

one flu shot during the pregancy and before my boy turned 2 he had total 19

shots. MMR really caused his dramatically behavior change. But I don't

think it is just because of one MMR, it is because of all the toxin I had

dumped to him. Poor little guy.

Take good care, everyone!

Ping

Dear Ping,

Well, um, yeah, it sounds like your son has mercury poisoning

all right! I would expect he would benefit from chelation.

Details about the various protocols is a big subject.

I don't feel up to typing quite that much (it would be pages).

Let's see---- overall I'd say that most people on this list

use DMSA first for a while, then use DMSA + ALA.

It is recommended to take/give the DMSA every 4 hours INCLUDING AT

NIGHT. This is discussed a great deal here on this list. Some

people take/give the DMSA every 8 hours (which does NOT require

getting up at night), but this has bad results for some people,

so the " every 4 hours " is thought to be safer.

The general idea is that you give/take the DMSA for a few days in

a row, then you stop, to give the body time to rest, repair and

recuperate. You don't give the DMSA every day. People refer to

this as a " cycle " , and people use " cycles " of different lengths.

3 days on and 4 off is one. 3 days on and 11 off is another.

Those are examples.

I hope this is some help, although I have not explained it all!

Please ask questions about the parts you want to know more about.

Some things will also be more clear from other discussions.

There are a lot of details.

By the way, ALA also chelates arsenic.

best,

Moria

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