Re: ARF12 - I'm done. Plato is off the NG/Joe/Judie

[Guest guest]

Joe,

Your such a trooper People like Reese, Damien, etc. will never go away,

you will find them on ng, or the addict-l list, or the grocery store, or the

gas station, etc, etc, if you run from them, they eventually pop up

somewhere else in your life. The trick is not to get yourself angry or

upset over these individuals(that's SMART talk ). Stay true to your cause

and never, ever give up , that's my motto!

For Judie,

your husband plays in a band? at a bar? wow, if I were there I would have

been hammering down several scotch and sodas and picking the first fight

with whomever looked at me wrong Good for you if you can maintain!

Anyway good luck with your new perspective, by the way, Dr. Varni sent me

this site via e-mail just before he left for vacation, it will give you some

insight into his perspective I think.

http://www.lindesmith.org/

C-ya

Margie

http://expage.com/page/alcoholanddrugrecovery

Re: ARF12 - I'm done. Plato is off the NG

>At 14:09 21/06/98 -0700, you wrote:

>

>>>It has been really frustrating to look through it lately. I don't have

>>>time

>>>to look at all the letters posted, and I know I've been missing some

>>>good stuff. Even clicking over Reese, Glenn, and Damian isn't

>>>productive, since everyone seems pissed off.

>>>Please don't give up completely, Plato. You're really a valuable

>>>voice, and I would hate to see the ng lose you.

>>>Sincerely,

>>> Fransway

>>

>>Thanks , You, Joe,Walley, Ken, Bette,, Mike, and several other

>>folks are not only interesting to speak with but really have alot that I

>>need to hear. It's just that there is SO much raw horseshit. Did you read

it

>>lately? The thing that gets me is that sometimes I can clearly read

somebody

>>asking some serious question about non-12-step recovery or about coping

>>experiences in general and " wham " plowed over by teenage crap....the

latest

>>one is where someone _made up a person_ with a child (or some damn thing,

I

>>think the child was made up) and wrote to another person pretending to be

>>the child, developing a relationship under some phoney

>>circumstances.......my God you talk about pathological

stuff................

>

>I think there are different motives for this; Reese for example has no real

>agenda other than to make other people angry. When he can do this he feels

>better because then _they_ are the angry ones, and he can forget abut his

>own rage. For a while. That's why he indiscriminately stirs up shit on any

>newsgroup he's on- he's projecting his own anger onto other people. OTOH I

>think Glenn is a true religious nutcase. He really believes he's doing

>God's work, and can justify any abuse, any insanity, with that. He is the

>religious right that once took drugs- a throroughly unpleasant combination

>at any stage of the game! In his mind, God's work is to destroy all

>opposition to God's will (circular logic) and to the 12 steps. Damien is a

>hanger-on who thinks he defending NA, and doesn't seem very bright. In fact

>none of them are very bright when uyou stop to think about it. The bottom

>line for all of them is suppress the discussion since it makes them

>uncomfortable. You might think that if it made them that uncomfortable,

>they would stop to wonder why. But no. We are not dealing with highly

>evolved thinkers here.

>

>But my point is, they are successful if they get us all pissed off and

>arguing on the same level as they do, feeling bad, and letting it come

>across in what we send to that newsgroup. The whole secret to this, in my

>opinion, is this- once you know they are trying to get you pissed off, you

>have a good reason for NOT getting pissed off. Once you know they are

>trying to get you pissed off along with everyone else so that there is

>effectively no newsgroup, you have a very good reason for reading

>selectively and posting only positive stuff. I suppose people need to make

>up their own minds on how they are going to deal with it. I have no

>intention, myself, of giving up. I am prepared to post stuff intermittently

>if I need to take frequent breaks, but I will not disappear altogether. I

>was on that ng when it started and I will be around for a long time yet.

>

>Joe Berenbaum

>

>

>

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