Re: ARF12 - I'm done--me too!

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In a message dated 98-06-21 00:34:08 EDT, you write:

<< I unsubscribed from that NG and I honestly feel a little bad about what

happened to it. I looked in on that and read only bullshit. I haven't got

time for " her tits, my boyfriend, he's cute, her ass " ..... That's not what

I want to read when I look for a discussion of alternative methods of

recovery and related issues. The damn thing went down hill through the last

several weeks. I looked at ARNA and that thing is the *same sort of shit

pile*. Isn't that a sparker of a coincidence?

>>

You know, I really wanted to stick it out, mainly bacause I didn't want to

give in to such imbiciles. I have been known to be a stubborn bitch, but this

just isn't serving a purpose for me. I feel much the same as you . To be

honest, I think that Reese realized he was not getting the best of many of

us....so he has moved on to even more bullshit and is crossposting to other

NGs from arf12s in order to get them in an uproar and increase the existing

idiotic garbage. I don't need this kind of bullshit....I left arna when I

decided to leave NA.

Arf12s provided me with a lot of insights from others that had already done

what I just recently did. I thought, at first, that I was the only one who had

a long history in 12 step recovery(almost 11 years of NA) that decided to

leave. It has been great to find out that others that had long term recovery

in a 12 step program left too. It has also been great to find some familiar

with NA, as there are some distinct differences between the way NAers and

AAers act. I think you can see that just from the juvenile behavior of the NA

assholes that have lessed us with their presence on the NG.

I think sometimes that the rigidity and dogma of AA is much more subtle...you

can almost be fooled into thinking it doesn't exist. In NA it is far from

subtle....nothing is candy coated. I think some of the reason this appealed to

me when I got clean was because I was used to a fairly coarse lifestyle. NA

just perpetuated some of the abuse that I was accustomed to. I certainly must

have changed over the years because not only does this type of behavior not

appeal to me, rather I find it abhorring and unacceptable.

I liked the discussions that had started happening on arf12s. I hope we can

get some of the same quality going here. I was never opposed to having some 12

step views thrown in on the NG along with challenges to alternative methods

posed in a decent fashion. I will miss that sorely. It made me look at my

understanding of things, clarify my personal beliefs, and redefine them as I

became more knowledgeable. I do believe that challenge is good for this

purpose; it helps you to keep an open mind.

Well, I am tired. I always get tired when I make a decision I didn't want to

make. I will talk to you all on the list or through private email from now on.

Goodnight.

Take Care,

Bette C.

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Gosh, Bette, this is all getting too sad.

You are greatly appreciated on arf newsgroup.

But you know, it does make some sense to rest. I hope when things settle

down, you will come back. I love reading your posts.

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From: Betche2@...

Sent: Sunday, June 21, 1998 8:01 PM

To: 12-step-free@...

Subject: Re: ARF12 - I'm done--me too!

In a message dated 98-06-21 00:34:08 EDT, you write:

<< I unsubscribed from that NG and I honestly feel a little bad about what

happened to it. I looked in on that and read only bullshit. I haven't got

time for " her tits, my boyfriend, he's cute, her ass " ..... That's not what

I want to read when I look for a discussion of alternative methods of

recovery and related issues. The damn thing went down hill through the last

several weeks. I looked at ARNA and that thing is the *same sort of shit

pile*. Isn't that a sparker of a coincidence?

>>

You know, I really wanted to stick it out, mainly bacause I didn't want to

give in to such imbiciles. I have been known to be a stubborn bitch, but this

just isn't serving a purpose for me. I feel much the same as you . To be

honest, I think that Reese realized he was not getting the best of many of

us....so he has moved on to even more bullshit and is crossposting to other

NGs from arf12s in order to get them in an uproar and increase the existing

idiotic garbage. I don't need this kind of bullshit....I left arna when I

decided to leave NA.

Arf12s provided me with a lot of insights from others that had already done

what I just recently did. I thought, at first, that I was the only one who had

a long history in 12 step recovery(almost 11 years of NA) that decided to

leave. It has been great to find out that others that had long term recovery

in a 12 step program left too. It has also been great to find some familiar

with NA, as there are some distinct differences between the way NAers and

AAers act. I think you can see that just from the juvenile behavior of the NA

assholes that have lessed us with their presence on the NG.

I think sometimes that the rigidity and dogma of AA is much more subtle...you

can almost be fooled into thinking it doesn't exist. In NA it is far from

subtle....nothing is candy coated. I think some of the reason this appealed to

me when I got clean was because I was used to a fairly coarse lifestyle. NA

just perpetuated some of the abuse that I was accustomed to. I certainly must

have changed over the years because not only does this type of behavior not

appeal to me, rather I find it abhorring and unacceptable.

I liked the discussions that had started happening on arf12s. I hope we can

get some of the same quality going here. I was never opposed to having some 12

step views thrown in on the NG along with challenges to alternative methods

posed in a decent fashion. I will miss that sorely. It made me look at my

understanding of things, clarify my personal beliefs, and redefine them as I

became more knowledgeable. I do believe that challenge is good for this

purpose; it helps you to keep an open mind.

Well, I am tired. I always get tired when I make a decision I didn't want to

make. I will talk to you all on the list or through private email from now on.

Goodnight.

Take Care,

Bette C.

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In a message dated 98-06-21 23:29:06 EDT, you write:

<< Gosh, Bette, this is all getting too sad.

You are greatly appreciated on arf newsgroup.

But you know, it does make some sense to rest. I hope when things settle

down, you will come back. I love reading your posts.

>>

When you start getting obsessed with getting even with the likes of

Reese....it is time to stop. I have more important things in my life that will

get neglected if I spend all my time fending off attacks from that peon.

I spent the whole morning down in the garden cultivating....it has finally

stopped raining enough to get this done, although it is still pretty wet down

there. My flower beds are looking fabulous, but I could do some work on

starting some other perennial that I can intergrate in for an even more

spectacular display next year. I have a new area that my brother bulldozed out

the scrub brush for me and I am working on a field of wild flowers there piece

by piece increasing it as I go along. And I have a number of books I would

like to get read this summer....So you can see....I really don't need the

bullshit. I think I already stayed too long at the fair.<G>

Take Care,

Bette

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>When you start getting obsessed with getting even with the likes of

>Reese....it is time to stop. I have more important things in my life that

will

>get neglected if I spend all my time fending off attacks from that peon.

edit

I think that's the whole thing in a nut shell. There are more important

things to do and that agenda is time consuming. If it were about reading the

discourse of some of the folks here, the time would never be wasted. On the

brighter side if it (the NG) should ever be moderated it may be one of the

most successful " recovery " oriented ones on the internet. Thanks to Pee Wee

it did receive a hell of a lot of contributions (he-hemmmm) and notice. And

it remains a glorious, fine experiment.

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