Guest guest Posted July 14, 1998 Report Share Posted July 14, 1998 Hope this doesn't cause undue problems downloading ... here is a wav file that was sent to me by a friend that I found so fitting for the arf12s newsgroup. Re: MATCH letter response > >-- > > >>Hi again Kayleigh >> >>On 14 Jul 1998 19:01:07 -0000 Kayleigh >> wrote: >> >>> > >>> > Pete >>> >>> I am discussing this issue with you, not him, because I asked you, on the NLP list, what interest had brought you there. That was a real question, sparked by real interest on my part, since I have been told that academics usually frown on NLP as not being " scientically based. " >>> >>> As an afterthought, I tacked on the remark about AA discussion, which you then posted about on this list. So I responded. And you responded. And I responded. And you responded. >>> >>> And that is why I am discussing it with you. >> >>I dont have a problem with you discussing it with me - I >>was wondering why you dont discuss it with him. The points >>you made abt why debates arent a good idea are just as >>appropriate to him. Rather more, in fact. >> >Pete, take it as a compliment that I discuss it with you rather than with him. Because it is my assumption -- and perhaps an erroneous one -- that he would not be capable of discussing it, and that you are. And that is a limitation in MY thinking. We have recently seen on arf12s that a couple people who seemed to be rabid groupers are really quite capable of believing that *A is not for everyone. And Rick has put me to shame by asking what there is in *A that DOES work, and how that can be put to good use in helping his clients. > >I think that no matter what our opinions of *A, none of us can say that there is NOTHING about it that works. I think the daily inventory is a good idea. It can be put in a different form: " What did I do that worked today? What did I do that didn't work? As to the things that didn't work, what could I do differently? " > >In any case, as I said, I won't engage in a debate with because nobody would change their mind and everybody would get pissed off. I pick my debates, I can't take up every one that comes my way. If I were to engage in debates, the topics that would interest me would make your eyes glaze over: " Will antitrust law be sufficient to govern public utilities as the gas, telephone and electric industries are deregulated? " And so forth. I will leave it to people with your kinds of goals to debate with the groupers. > >>As to why I'm interested in NLP, I've always had an >>interest ever since I first heard of it. I'm also >>interested in anything applied to addiction. I was under >>the impression it had a scientific basis - certainly it >>*sounds* like it does! >> >>There are whole areas of Psychology , especially >>psychoanalysis and psychotherapy, that have quite >> " unscientific " roots - I dont by any means discard them out >>of hand, i believe many are valuable - though I am very >>much for " firming up " claims by investigation. >> >>Pete > >I don't know a whole lot about it, but I believe it's probably true that the stuff that has evolved over the years in terms of treating clients probably has no basis in research. Carl , Fritz Perls, Freud himself -- don't know of any proven basis for any of their methods, and I assume they had some successes because they are famous. Again, that's your bailiwick, not mine. > >Kayleigh > > >-----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums > > >---- >Read this list on the Web at http://www.FindMail.com/list/12-step-free/ >To unsubscribe, email to 12-step-free-unsubscribe@... >To subscribe, email to 12-step-free-subscribe@... >-- >Start a FREE E-Mail List at http://makelist.com ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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