Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 > Does anyone know where I can get DMSA without an Rx? Thanks--- www.vrp.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 At 11:39 PM 7/22/2001 -0000, you wrote: >Does anyone know where I can get DMSA without an Rx? Thanks--- > Vitamin Research Products sells DMSA without a prescription. 100 mg capsules: $40 for 45 capsules, plus about $3 for shipping. They do not sell DMSA in doses smaller than 100 mg, so, if you need a smaller amount you'll have to divide it yourself. Other Ingredients: Microcrystalline cellulose (a natural plant fiber) and gelatin. Contains no added sugar, starch, salt, wheat, gluten, corn, coloring, dairy products, flavoring or preservatives. Vitamin Research Products, Inc., Carson City, NV 89701 USA (800) 877-2447 (Mon - Thurs 6 AM to 6 PM pacific time; Fri 6 AM to 5 PM) www.vrpcentral.net The Falls Pharmacy sells Captomer (DMSA made by Thorne Labs) without a presciption. A bottle of 45 capsules is $45. To order (or for more info) send email to Brock Nyberg, Pharmacist at: getit@... Kirkman's will sell DMSA without a prescription, but they do require verification that the user is under a doctor's care. This verification can be phone, fax or written note from the doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 > > Does anyone know where I can get DMSA without an Rx? Thanks--- > > www.vrp.com Thanks. URL does not work (at least tonite). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 >> www.vrp.com > >Thanks. URL does not work (at least tonite). They changed their website recently, it is now www.vrpcentral.net Here is some more info about places to buy DMSA w/o Rx (sorry the formatting is odd here, but the info is all good): Vitamin Research Products sells DMSA without a prescription. 100 mg capsules: $40 for 45 capsules, plus about $3 for shipping. They do not sell DMSA in doses smaller than 100 mg, so, if you need a smaller amount you'll have to divide it yourself. Other Ingredients: Microcrystalline cellulose (a natural plant fiber) and gelatin. Contains no added sugar, starch, salt, wheat, gluten, corn, coloring, dairy products, flavoring or preservatives. Vitamin Research Products, Inc., Carson City, NV 89701 USA (800) 877-2447 (Mon - Thurs 6 AM to 6 PM pacific time; Fri 6 AM to 5 PM) www.vrpcentral.net The Falls Pharmacy sells Captomer (DMSA made by Thorne Labs) without a presciption. A bottle of 45 capsules is $45. To order (or for more info) send email to Brock Nyberg, Pharmacist at: getit@... Kirkman's will sell DMSA without a prescription, but they do require verification that the user is under a doctor's care. This verification can be phone, fax or written note from the doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 THANK YOU > >Does anyone know where I can get DMSA without an Rx? Thanks--- > > > > Vitamin Research Products sells DMSA without a prescription. 100 mg > capsules: $40 for 45 capsules, plus about $3 for > shipping. They do not sell DMSA in doses smaller than 100 mg, so, if > you need a smaller amount you'll have to divide it > yourself. Other Ingredients: Microcrystalline cellulose (a natural > plant fiber) and gelatin. Contains no added sugar, > starch, salt, wheat, gluten, corn, coloring, dairy products, flavoring > or preservatives. > > Vitamin Research Products, Inc., Carson City, NV 89701 USA > (800) 877-2447 (Mon - Thurs 6 AM to 6 PM pacific time; Fri 6 AM to 5 PM) > www.vrpcentral.net > > > The Falls Pharmacy sells Captomer (DMSA made by Thorne Labs) without a > presciption. A bottle of 45 > capsules is $45. To order (or for more info) send email to Brock > Nyberg, Pharmacist at: > getit@t... > > > Kirkman's will sell DMSA without a prescription, but they do require > verification that the user is under a doctor's care. > This verification can be phone, fax or written note from the doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 I know it is none of my business, but I am curious, why would you want DMSA without a prescription? Aren't you afraid to use it without a doctor to rely on for advice? It does have side effects. -Phyllis [ ] Re: DMSA OTC > > > > Does anyone know where I can get DMSA without an Rx? Thanks--- > > > > > www.vrp.com > > Thanks. URL does not work (at least tonite). > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 I'm more informed about DMSA and it's side affects than most doctors. Why shell out money so they can tell me what to do when I already know (and I probably know more than they do anyway). Having a doctor's support is great if you have a good doctor around that is willing to help you. Since some don't have this, they find it helpful to educate themselves and do it themselves. > I know it is none of my business, but I am curious, why would you want DMSA > without a prescription? Aren't you afraid to use it without a doctor to rely > on for advice? It does have side effects. > -Phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 I am curious, too. Are you using the DMSA for yourself or for your child? Rose [ ] Re: DMSA OTC > I'm more informed about DMSA and it's side affects than most doctors. > Why shell out money so they can tell me what to do when I already > know (and I probably know more than they do anyway). Having a > doctor's support is great if you have a good doctor around that is > willing to help you. Since some don't have this, they find it helpful > to educate themselves and do it themselves. > > > > I know it is none of my business, but I am curious, why would you > want DMSA > > without a prescription? Aren't you afraid to use it without a > doctor to rely > > on for advice? It does have side effects. > > -Phyllis > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 My son until I get my amalgams removed, then on me too. Kaye > I am curious, too. Are you using the DMSA for yourself or for your child? > Rose > [ ] Re: DMSA OTC > > > > I'm more informed about DMSA and it's side affects than most doctors. > > Why shell out money so they can tell me what to do when I already > > know (and I probably know more than they do anyway). Having a > > doctor's support is great if you have a good doctor around that is > > willing to help you. Since some don't have this, they find it helpful > > to educate themselves and do it themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2001 Report Share Posted July 27, 2001 Any chance Kirkman's or Falls Pharmacy uses vegi-caps instead of cow toenails (I mean gelatin)? S On Mon, 23 July 2001, Moria Merriweather wrote: > > <html><body> > <tt> > & gt; & gt; www.vrp.com<BR> > & gt;<BR> > & gt;Thanks. URL does not work (at least tonite).<BR> > <BR> > They changed their website recently, it is now<BR> > www.vrpcentral.net<BR> > <BR> > Here is some more info about places to buy DMSA<BR> > w/o Rx (sorry the formatting is odd here, but the info is<BR> > all good):<BR> > <BR> > Vitamin Research Products sells DMSA without a prescription. 100 mg<BR> > capsules: $40 for 45 capsules, plus about <BR> > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; $3 for shipping. They do not sell DMSA in doses smaller than 100 mg,<BR> > so, if you need a smaller amount you'll have <BR> > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; to divide it yourself. Other Ingredients: & nbsp; Microcrystalline cellulose<BR> > (a natural plant fiber) and gelatin. Contains no <BR> > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; added sugar, starch, salt, wheat, gluten, corn, coloring, dairy<BR> > products, flavoring or preservatives.<BR> > <BR> > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Vitamin Research Products, Inc., Carson City, NV 89701 USA<BR> > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; (800) 877-2447 (Mon - Thurs 6 AM to 6 PM pacific time; Fri 6 AM to 5 PM)<BR> > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; www.vrpcentral.net<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; The Falls Pharmacy sells Captomer (DMSA made by Thorne Labs) without a<BR> > presciption. A bottle of 45 <BR> > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; capsules is $45. To order (or for more info) send email to Brock<BR> > Nyberg, Pharmacist at: <BR> > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; getit@...<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Kirkman's will sell & nbsp; DMSA without a prescription, but they do require<BR> > verification that the user is under a doctor's <BR> > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; care. & nbsp; This verification can be phone, fax or written note from the<BR> > doctor.<BR> > <BR> > </tt> > > <br> > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> > <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> > </tr> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> > <td width=470><a href= " http://rd./M=210672.1513963.3091383.1442549/D=egroupweb/S=1705061\ 616:HM/A=655211/R=0/*http://www.prostateinfo.com/piyc " ><img src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/as/astrazeneca/f.gif " width= " 468 " height= " 60 " border= " 0 " ></a></td> > </tr> > <tr><td><img alt= " " width=1 height=1 src= " http://us.adserver./l?M=210672.1513963.3091383.1442549/D=egroupmai\ l/S=1705061616:HM/A=655211/rand=641151428 " ></td></tr> > </table> > > <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> > > > <br> > <tt> > =======================================================<BR> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2001 Report Share Posted July 27, 2001 > > > > > <html><body> > > <tt> > > & gt; & gt; www.vrp.com<BR> > > & gt;<BR> > > & gt;Thanks. URL does not work (at least tonite).<BR> > > <BR> > > They changed their website recently, it is now<BR> > > www.vrpcentral.net<BR> > > <BR> > > Here is some more info about places to buy DMSA<BR> > > w/o Rx (sorry the formatting is odd here, but the info is<BR> > > all good):<BR> > > <BR> > > Vitamin Research Products sells DMSA without a prescription. 100 mg<BR> > > capsules: $40 for 45 capsules, plus about <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; $3 for shipping. They do not sell DMSA in doses smaller than 100 mg,<BR> > > so, if you need a smaller amount you'll have <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; to divide it yourself. Other Ingredients: & nbsp; Microcrystalline cellulose<BR> > > (a natural plant fiber) and gelatin. Contains no <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; added sugar, starch, salt, wheat, gluten, corn, coloring, dairy<BR> > > products, flavoring or preservatives.<BR> > > <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Vitamin Research Products, Inc., Carson City, NV 89701 USA<BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; (800) 877-2447 (Mon - Thurs 6 AM to 6 PM pacific time; Fri 6 AM to 5 PM)<BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; www.vrpcentral.net<BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; The Falls Pharmacy sells Captomer (DMSA made by Thorne Labs) without a<BR> > > presciption. A bottle of 45 <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; capsules is $45. To order (or for more info) send email to Brock<BR> > > Nyberg, Pharmacist at: <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; getit@t...<BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Kirkman's will sell & nbsp; DMSA without a prescription, but they do require<BR> > > verification that the user is under a doctor's <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; care. & nbsp; This verification can be phone, fax or written note from the<BR> > > doctor.<BR> > > <BR> > > </tt> > > > > <br> > > > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > > > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> > > <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> > > </tr> > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> > > <td width=470><a href= " http://rd./M=210672.1513963.3091383.1442549/D=egroupweb /S=1705061616:HM/A=655211/R=0/*http://www.prostateinfo.com/piyc " ><img src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/as/astrazeneca/f.gif " width= " 468 " height= " 60 " border= " 0 " ></a></td> > > </tr> > > <tr><td><img alt= " " width=1 height=1 src= " http://us.adserver./l?M=210672.1513963.3091383.1442549/D =egroupmail/S=1705061616:HM/A=655211/rand=641151428 " ></td></tr> > > </table> > > > > <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> > > > > > > <br> > > <tt> > > =======================================================<BR> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2001 Report Share Posted July 27, 2001 Kirkman uses only vegetable caps on all products [ ] Re: DMSA OTC > > > > > <html><body> > > <tt> > > & gt; & gt; www.vrp.com<BR> > > & gt;<BR> > > & gt;Thanks. URL does not work (at least tonite).<BR> > > <BR> > > They changed their website recently, it is now<BR> > > www.vrpcentral.net<BR> > > <BR> > > Here is some more info about places to buy DMSA<BR> > > w/o Rx (sorry the formatting is odd here, but the info is<BR> > > all good):<BR> > > <BR> > > Vitamin Research Products sells DMSA without a prescription. 100 mg<BR> > > capsules: $40 for 45 capsules, plus about <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; $3 for shipping. They do not sell DMSA in doses smaller than 100 mg,<BR> > > so, if you need a smaller amount you'll have <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; to divide it yourself. Other Ingredients: & nbsp; Microcrystalline cellulose<BR> > > (a natural plant fiber) and gelatin. Contains no <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; added sugar, starch, salt, wheat, gluten, corn, coloring, dairy<BR> > > products, flavoring or preservatives.<BR> > > <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Vitamin Research Products, Inc., Carson City, NV 89701 USA<BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; (800) 877-2447 (Mon - Thurs 6 AM to 6 PM pacific time; Fri 6 AM to 5 PM)<BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; www.vrpcentral.net<BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; The Falls Pharmacy sells Captomer (DMSA made by Thorne Labs) without a<BR> > > presciption. A bottle of 45 <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; capsules is $45. To order (or for more info) send email to Brock<BR> > > Nyberg, Pharmacist at: <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; getit@t...<BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Kirkman's will sell & nbsp; DMSA without a prescription, but they do require<BR> > > verification that the user is under a doctor's <BR> > > & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; care. & nbsp; This verification can be phone, fax or written note from the<BR> > > doctor.<BR> > > <BR> > > </tt> > > > > <br> > > > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > > > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> > > <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> > > </tr> > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> > > <td width=470><a href= " http://rd./M=210672.1513963.3091383.1442549/D=egroupweb /S=1705061616:HM/A=655211/R=0/*http://www.prostateinfo.com/piyc " ><img src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/as/astrazeneca/f.gif " width= " 468 " height= " 60 " border= " 0 " ></a></td> > > </tr> > > <tr><td><img alt= " " width=1 height=1 src= " http://us.adserver./l?M=210672.1513963.3091383.1442549/D =egroupmail/S=1705061616:HM/A=655211/rand=641151428 " ></td></tr> > > </table> > > > > <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> > > > > > > <br> > > <tt> > > =======================================================<BR> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 > > > > Does anyone know where I can get DMSA without an Rx? Thanks-- - > > > > > > > > www.vrp.com > > > > Thanks. URL does not work (at least tonite). > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 Thanks, MK. > I'm more informed about DMSA and it's side affects than most doctors. > Why shell out money so they can tell me what to do when I already > know (and I probably know more than they do anyway). Having a > doctor's support is great if you have a good doctor around that is > willing to help you. Since some don't have this, they find it helpful > to educate themselves and do it themselves. > > --- In @y..., " Bergenholtz Family " <bergfam@d...> wrote: > > I know it is none of my business, but I am curious, why would you > want DMSA > > without a prescription? Aren't you afraid to use it without a > doctor to rely > > on for advice? It does have side effects. > > -Phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 Thanks, MK. > I'm more informed about DMSA and it's side affects than most doctors. > Why shell out money so they can tell me what to do when I already > know (and I probably know more than they do anyway). Having a > doctor's support is great if you have a good doctor around that is > willing to help you. Since some don't have this, they find it helpful > to educate themselves and do it themselves. > > --- In @y..., " Bergenholtz Family " <bergfam@d...> wrote: > > I know it is none of my business, but I am curious, why would you > want DMSA > > without a prescription? Aren't you afraid to use it without a > doctor to rely > > on for advice? It does have side effects. > > -Phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 > > Aren't you afraid to use it without a > > doctor to rely > > > on for advice? Did you vaccinate your children on a doctor's advice? >It does have side effects. Did the doctor mention autism as one of the possible side effects? > > > -Phyllis Perhaps a doctor's advice isn't all it is cracked up to be? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 Andy, Well isnt that the damn truth!! And I love how you always tell it like it is... [ ] Re: DMSA OTC > > Aren't you afraid to use it without a > > doctor to rely > > > on for advice? Did you vaccinate your children on a doctor's advice? >It does have side effects. Did the doctor mention autism as one of the possible side effects? > > > -Phyllis Perhaps a doctor's advice isn't all it is cracked up to be? Andy ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 No, and I agree with you that Docotors are neither honest or all-knowing, but I don't feel one should throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water and the thought that one should suddenly act as a doctor on their own behalf, (or worse yet another person's behalf) is scary. At he risk of going to far to prove my point, I certainly wouldn't want to now attempt open-heart surgery, even though docotors are neither honest or all-knowing! Not that chelation is open-heart surgery, but doctors have gone to school and training for alot of years to learn a skill, a profession and untrained people suddenly acting as doctors is frightening to me. I was just wondering if it wouldn't be safer for people to find DAN educated doctors. I did not mean to offend anyone, but the well-being of alot of kids out there prompted me to at least bring up the subject. -Phyllis [ ] Re: DMSA OTC > > > Aren't you afraid to use it without a > > > doctor to rely > > > > on for advice? > > Did you vaccinate your children on a doctor's advice? > > >It does have side effects. > > Did the doctor mention autism as one of the possible side effects? > > > > > -Phyllis > > Perhaps a doctor's advice isn't all it is cracked up to be? > > Andy > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 > No, and I agree with you that Docotors are neither honest or all-knowing, Actually I think most of them are honest. Despite the fact that they are actually trained not to be in certain specific areas, they are mostly decent people and the training doesn't take too well. The dangerous part is that they know a lot LESS than you give them credit for, but are taought that they know a lot MORE than they actually do. Most of them believe this. > but I don't feel one should throw the proverbial baby out with the bath > water and the thought that one should suddenly act as a doctor on their own > behalf, (or worse yet another person's behalf) is scary. You are confusing the doctor's role with the parent's role. The parent makes the decisions. The doctor gives advice, performs procedures, orders tests and prescribes medications. The doctor does not BY LAW make the decisions, something the AMA has been fighting with the courts about ever since it got licensure laws in place. To make decisions, the parent needs good information. The doctor is one source of that. Since doctors are not as a rule giving particularly good information in this area, parents are turning to other sources. But they continue to exercise their proper role, making decisions about their child's care based on the best information available to them. > At he risk of going to far to prove my point, I certainly wouldn't want > to now attempt open-heart surgery, even though docotors are neither honest > or all-knowing! Performing the surgery is a technician's job. It requires great skill. But the important issue is whether you need the surgery or not, and the doctor does not make that decision. He makes recommendations and you decide for yourself. Then you decide which technician to employ to do the job if you decide to do it. > Not that chelation is open-heart surgery, but doctors have gone to > school and training for alot of years to learn a skill, a profession and > untrained people suddenly acting as doctors is frightening to me. Doctors receive far less training in chelation in medical school and residency than any parent who has read this list for a week has already received. I kid you not. Since, unlike the parents, they are trained to be confident in their ability to wing it, they will routinely prescribe dangerous and harmful therapies in this area on the basis of talking to someone, or reading a few pages out of a book. >I was > just wondering if it wouldn't be safer for people to find DAN educated > doctors. No. DAN! seems fixated on a harmful and inappropriate protocol for unknown reasons, despite the fact that some of the doctors advancing it don't actually do it that way. The more I hear about what is going on with the DAN! doctors the more I wonder if parents wouldn't be better off avoiding them. At least if they browbeat their pediactrician into prescribing, s/he'll be scared about not knowing what is going on. The DAN! doctors have a very limited understanding of what is going on, yet are quite confident in prescribing. This is a bad combination. I do believe most or all of the DAN! doctors really do want to help, but their medical education did not prepare them to be able to understand what to do, or to be able to figure it out. >I did not mean to offend anyone, No offense taken. >but the well-being of alot of > kids out there prompted me to at least bring up the subject. Their safety is paramount. Which is why parents have to realize that they MUST take responsibility to make the decisions, and to get involved enough to do so, since the doc's are not able to do it responsibly in this area as a rule. After all, you got in trouble in the first place letting doc's make decisions for you that they weren't able to make responsibly. The role of the doctor is as a consultant, making the relevant parts of their training and experience accessible to the parents so the parents can make good decisions without having to go to medical school first. The doc's role is NOT the one most of them play - controlling the flow of information so the parents are led only to the decision the doc wishes them to make. > -Phyllis > [ ] Re: DMSA OTC > > > > > > Aren't you afraid to use it without a > > > > doctor to rely > > > > > on for advice? > > > > Did you vaccinate your children on a doctor's advice? > > > > >It does have side effects. > > > > Did the doctor mention autism as one of the possible side effects? > > > > > > > -Phyllis > > > > Perhaps a doctor's advice isn't all it is cracked up to be? > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 Thank you for taking the time to make such a thoughtful and complete reply. I agree with alot of your points and I still disagree with some. The only thing I feel I need to qualify however, was to state that what I originally meant when I said that I thought that the chelation should be under a doctor's direction was under a doctor's adviceonly, not looking to them as the only source of information and accepting everything they say without question. I don't do that with anyone anymore. I, of course, do not do everything a doctor suggests (a prime example is that I travel an hour to go to a peditrician because I refuse to have my younger two immunized after having two children with autism and no local doctors will take me), but I sure like having them to refer to. I guess I still believe in the system that doesn't allow medications to be distributed without medical supervision. Do you really suggest that everyone should just go out and find some DMSA or whatever and give it to their children without any medical supervision, advice or whatever you want to call it? It is difficult to carry tone across in written material, and I want to make sure you know that I ask this question with sincerity and not in a aggressive or challenging way at all. I am new to this whole heavy metals/chelation thing, so would you mind clarifying again in detail what is wrong and dangerous about the DAN protocol? (By the way, I believe that the medical community does know the dangers of immunizations and continues to give them anyway. That is why I say they are not honest.) [ ] Re: DMSA OTC > > > > > > > > > Aren't you afraid to use it without a > > > > > doctor to rely > > > > > > on for advice? > > > > > > Did you vaccinate your children on a doctor's advice? > > > > > > >It does have side effects. > > > > > > Did the doctor mention autism as one of the possible side effects? > > > > > > > > > -Phyllis > > > > > > Perhaps a doctor's advice isn't all it is cracked up to be? > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 > No, and I agree with you that Docotors are neither honest or all- knowing, > but I don't feel one should throw the proverbial baby out with the bath > water and the thought that one should suddenly act as a doctor on their own > behalf, (or worse yet another person's behalf) is scary. You seem to have the opinion that parents aren't smart, responsible, or capable of teaching themselves. Doctors are people too, not all knowing gods, and I have yet to find one that knows as much about chelation as some of the parents I know who have devoted themselves to learning everything there is to know about it. Unfortunately this isn't a field of study being taught in medical school, so to assume a doctor automatically knows more is assuming too. > At he risk of going to far to prove my point, I certainly wouldn't want > to now attempt open-heart surgery, even though docotors are neither honest > or all-knowing! > Not that chelation is open-heart surgery, but doctors have gone to > school and training for alot of years to learn a skill, a profession and > untrained people suddenly acting as doctors is frightening to me. You're comparing apples to oranges. This is a specialized and well trained field of medicine. If doctors were trained to this extent in the field of chelation, none of us would be having the problems we are. Mercury and other harmful elements wouldn't be pumped into our babies bodies, and none of us would have to fight the autism battle. I hope this will happen one day. I was > just wondering if it wouldn't be safer for people to find DAN educated > doctors. I did not mean to offend anyone, I'm glad you didn't mean to offend anyone, but you have offended me by thinking I would do something to harm my child or anyone elses, and by thinking I am not capable of knowing what is best for my child because I'm not a doctor. but the well-being of alot of > kids out there prompted me to at least bring up the subject. > -Phyllis We are all here because we care about each and every child fighting with our own children, so I do not hold a grudge about your views. They are your views and you have every right to them. I understand them and know they are comming from your heart. I just don't fully agree with them. Kaye > [ ] Re: DMSA OTC > > > > > > Aren't you afraid to use it without a > > > > doctor to rely > > > > > on for advice? > > > > Did you vaccinate your children on a doctor's advice? > > > > >It does have side effects. > > > > Did the doctor mention autism as one of the possible side effects? > > > > > > > -Phyllis > > > > Perhaps a doctor's advice isn't all it is cracked up to be? > > > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2001 Report Share Posted August 5, 2001 I am sorry if I offended you. I just know that there are side effects and individuals giving out medication to children is a scary thing to suggest as an okay thing to do. I am glad that you feel you are informed enough. Good luck and God bless. -Phyllis [ ] Re: DMSA OTC > > > > > > > > > Aren't you afraid to use it without a > > > > > doctor to rely > > > > > > on for advice? > > > > > > Did you vaccinate your children on a doctor's advice? > > > > > > >It does have side effects. > > > > > > Did the doctor mention autism as one of the possible side effects? > > > > > > > > > -Phyllis > > > > > > Perhaps a doctor's advice isn't all it is cracked up to be? > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2001 Report Share Posted August 5, 2001 > I am sorry if I offended you. I just know that there are side effects and > individuals giving out medication to children is a scary thing to suggest as > an okay thing to do. Do not get sucked into the AMA religion, where somehow the chemicals that are legally defined as " medicine " are powerful and dangerous, while those that are legally defined as " nutritional supplements " are innocuous and safe. They're just chemicals, and they don't pay any attention whatsoever to the laws. Some of each class are safe, some are hazardous, and as a rule physicians are almost frighteningly unaware of what they do in the body. An Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2001 Report Share Posted August 5, 2001 > Thank you for taking the time to make such a thoughtful and complete reply. You are welcome. > I agree with alot of your points and I still disagree with some. The only > thing I feel I need to qualify however, was to state that what I originally > meant when I said that I thought that the chelation should be under a > doctor's direction was under a doctor's adviceonly, not looking to them as > the only source of information and accepting everything they say without > question. I don't do that with anyone anymore. I, of course, do not do > everything a doctor suggests (a prime example is that I travel an hour to go > to a peditrician because I refuse to have my younger two immunized after > having two children with autism and no local doctors will take me), but I > sure like having them to refer to. This really floors me, considering your experience of having the doc's make 2 of your children autistic. > I guess I still believe in the system > that doesn't allow medications to be distributed without medical > supervision. You are implicitly asking what my political views are here. I am a Libertarian. I don't think there should be any licensure or prescription laws at all. BTW, in most countries in the world, e. g. Mexico and Brazil, most of what is Rx here can be bought over the counter at the pharmacy. Yet these people are not dropping like flies due to lack of medical guidance. Are Americans that much less sophisticated than the rest of the world that we need thousands of things restricted that everyone else on earth can buy if they want to? I really doubt it. DMPS has been OTC in Europe since 1976. I'm not just talking about penicillin. > Do you really suggest that everyone should just go out and find some > DMSA or whatever and give it to their children without any medical > supervision, advice or whatever you want to call it? No. I only suggest the people who are comfortable doing this should do so. I also suggest that since medical advice is regulated by law, people may choose to make their own decision based on other forms of information that aren't " medical advice, " but that are actually useful. > It is difficult to > carry tone across in written material, and I want to make sure you know that > I ask this question with sincerity and not in a aggressive or challenging > way at all. You are asking perfectly reasonable questions. I don't take this as aggressive at all. > I am new to this whole heavy metals/chelation thing, so would you mind > clarifying again in detail what is wrong and dangerous about the DAN > protocol? Every 8 hour dosing, random use of supplements instead of targeted, I don't recall if they stress the need for 4 times a day vitamin C, B complex and milk thistle or not. The protocol was flawed enought that I didn't commit it to memory, but rather simply tell people something more helpful. > (By the way, I believe that the medical community does know the dangers > of immunizations and continues to give them anyway. That is why I say they > are not honest.) Hurting people for money is EVIL, not simply dishonest. I believe some doc's are EVIL (the ones in charge, mostly), and that the rest are being lured down the wrong path because it is the easy one to take. The problem with evil is it's banality. The most enormous evils happen due to people just going along with things and not thinking about what is happening. Of course, once people do something evil for money, it corrodes their spirit and character if they can't confront it and admit they did something wrong and they shouldn't do it again. This is a major part of the problem with the current system of medical regulation - the doc's can't talk about this stuff to clear their conscience without risking their license. Andy > [ ] Re: DMSA OTC > > > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you afraid to use it without a > > > > > > doctor to rely > > > > > > > on for advice? > > > > > > > > Did you vaccinate your children on a doctor's advice? > > > > > > > > >It does have side effects. > > > > > > > > Did the doctor mention autism as one of the possible side effects? > > > > > > > > > > > -Phyllis > > > > > > > > Perhaps a doctor's advice isn't all it is cracked up to be? > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2001 Report Share Posted August 5, 2001 why would you want DMSA without a prescription? Aren't you afraid to use it without a doctor to rely on for advice? It does have side effects. -Phyllis ************* How many of people's doctors do you think are more knowledgable regarding metals detox or DMSA than the average person on this list? What is the liklihood that one would get good rather than bad advise? In what way is DMSA different from ALA or lots of other supplements, and to what extent are most doctors knowledgable about nutrition, supplements, etc.? Do people get harmed more by OTC supplements or prescription drugs?? Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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