Re: Fw: For Andy - Dosage of DMSA

[Guest guest]

Hello Ohendry,

I'm not Andy, as you can see!

>My friend's son started chelation with DMSA (as per his dostor's

recommendation) with dosage 3 times (8 hours protocol) 200 mg per day.

>His son is 8 years old with 27 kgs.

>As he wants to be safe, when just started he tried lower dosage to 3 times

50 mg and his son always vomitting.

>He tried to 200 mg as per doctor's recommendation and his son in good

condition and stop to vomit anymore.

>

>As to my point of view is rather unsual if we lower the dosage the side

effect must be lower, but in this case the side effect increase when dosage

decrease.

>

>My questions :

>1. What is the reason for the above condition ?

I don't know. You could try a different chelator (like DMPS or ALA), or

you could try giving the DMSA every 4 hours and see if same reaction

I don't know.

>2. Shall we check the cysteine before starting chelation, what's the reason ?

The reason is to see whether " sulfur " foods (garlic, cabbage, many others) and

" sulfur " supplements (NAC) will HELP or HURT the person. You can test this

before or after you start chelation.

>3. What is your opinion about giving transdermal secretin during chelation

? Is that any re priom organism ?

I don't know anything about this.

>4. Shall we treat the gut by giving for example Vancomycin to clean out

gut from bacteria as usually bad bacterias take advantages of sulfur from

DMSA during chelation if any bacteria & yeasts still in the gut ?

I'm not sure what treatments are best. If there are gut problems, it is

good to treat them, but you can do this while chelating, unless you

think it is getting too uncomfortable or serious, in which case you

could take a break. Or you can do both together at same time.

>5. What is the best interval time, is that every 4 hours or 8 hours ? I

heard timing is very important, as if too long time ,mercury was already

pulsing out from body via kidney & liver can be sttled back to tissue. Is

that right ?

Andy is adamant that every 4 hours is safest. That is 4 hours INCLUDING AT

NIGHT.

When you STOP taking the chelator, the mercury can resettle. If you take it

every 8 hours, then it is like " starting " and " stopping " every time you

take it. If you take it every 4 hours it is like one LONG excretion cycle

that lasts the whole time instead of start-stop-start-stop-start-stop.

Some people do okay with the start-stop-start way, but the

" continuous " way is the safest way to go, since we don't know who

will be affected badly the start-stop-start way.

I hope this is some help.

Moria

[Guest guest]

Sorry I took so long to answer this. Sometimes thoughtful questions

require thoughtful responses and it takes me a while to get some free

time in which to think.

> My friend's son started chelation with DMSA (as per his dostor's

recommendation) with dosage 3 times (8 hours protocol) 200 mg per day.

> His son is 8 years old with 27 kgs.

> As he wants to be safe, when just started he tried lower dosage to 3

times 50 mg and his son always vomitting.

> He tried to 200 mg as per doctor's recommendation and his son in

good condition and stop to vomit anymore.

>

> As to my point of view is rather unsual if we lower the dosage the

side effect must be lower, but in this case the side effect increase

when dosage decrease.

>

> My questions :

> 1. What is the reason for the above condition ?

I don't know. I doubt that 200 mg every 8 hours is very good for him

- every 4 hour dosing works best for most people.

> 2. Shall we check the cysteine before starting chelation, what's the

reason ?

Some people are high, some are low, and if you modify their diet

appropriately it makes them feel a LOT better. Since the dietary

modifications are different for high versus low, and you don't want to

change their diet if they are normal in this parameter, the test is

important.

> 3. What is your opinion about giving transdermal secretin during

chelation ?

I don't know of any reason it shouldn't be OK. I am not that familiar

with it.

>Is that any re priom organism ?

I am not familiar with the risks of prions in this or other contexts.

You will have to make yuour own decision about that.

> 4. Shall we treat the gut by giving for example Vancomycin to clean

out gut from bacteria as usually bad bacterias take advantages of

sulfur from DMSA during chelation if any bacteria & yeasts still in

the gut ?

I don't think it is as straightforward as this. There is a

superstition among some that the sulfur in DMSA feeds bacteria. It

doesn't. The amount of sulfur in the DMSA is less than is in the

typical diet.

If there are clearly identified bacteria or yeast problems you may

wish to treat them. Chelating will help the body handle things

itself.

> 5. What is the best interval time, is that every 4 hours or 8 hours

Every 4 hours, or every 3-4 hours. It is OK to dose MORE frequently

than required, but not LESS frequently.

? I heard timing is very important, as if too long time ,mercury was

already pulsing out from body via kidney & liver can be sttled back to

tissue. Is that right ?

Yes. And most disturbingly it often settles back into NERVE tissue,

like the brain. Since this is where the problems originate having

MORE mercury go there is a very bad thing.

>

> Thanks for your help

>

> Ohendry Husin

>

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[Guest guest]

Where does the mercury go after the last dose of the cycle? does it go back

into the nerve cells?

karen

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> Where does the mercury go after the last dose of the cycle? does it

go back

> into the nerve cells?

Yes.

That is why you take many doses in a cycle. There is no way to

prevent some going back after the last dose. So you make sure the

amount that goes back is small compared to the amount that is removed

by taking many doses in a row before you quit.

Andy

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We did try the DMSA only for the last two doses and that seemed to help our

son this time. He told us that he felt better coming off the cycle.

Barb

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>> Where does the mercury go after the last dose of the cycle? does it

>go back

>> into the nerve cells?

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>Yes.

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>That is why you take many doses in a cycle. There is no way to

>prevent some going back after the last dose. So you make sure the

>amount that goes back is small compared to the amount that is removed

>by taking many doses in a row before you quit.

>

>Andy

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> We did try the DMSA only for the last two doses and that seemed to

help our

> son this time. He told us that he felt better coming off the cycle.

> Barb

Most adults report that using the last dose as DMSA only (no ALA)

feels better, and when we chelate Sheldon we do it that way and he is

better the next day than if we don't.

Andy

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What happens then for kids who are given ALA every day??

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>> Where does the mercury go after the last dose of the cycle? does it

>go back

>> into the nerve cells?

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>Yes.

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>That is why you take many doses in a cycle. There is no way to

>prevent some going back after the last dose. So you make sure the

>amount that goes back is small compared to the amount that is removed

>by taking many doses in a row before you quit.

>

>Andy

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> What happens then for kids who are given ALA every day??

After a few months they get really messed up because they are having

mercury hammered into their nervous systems daily.

Andy