Re: ??children born w/ toxic problems, small

August 5, 2001

> I don't know that this is necessarily true. Perhaps some of the

> mothers on list who think they were toxic and their baby was toxic at

> birth would be willing to describe why they believe this and give

> birth weights?

>

I believe my son was pre-natally toxic and he was the largest baby of my four

children - 8 lb, 12 oz. Why? No idea, but he's always been very healthy

looking - no signs of malnutrition (at least not externally)

With four children (3 NT), I've always tried to think - what was different

(pregnancy, labor & birth) about . This is what I've come up with:

- At 5 wks gestation my husband and I took a trip to London where the bus

fumes were so bad that I was terribly sick most of the time (this was my 1st

trip outside the states) I've read that diesel exhaust has mercury - anyone

know for sure?

- I have 10 silver amalgams and while this has not changed with any of the

kids, I did have my teeth cleaned while I was pregnant with (none of

the others)

- was born in Jan, 1997 - can't remember if contact lens solution was

using thimerasol then? (anyone know?)

- He was the only of the four to have bilirubin at birth (don't know of any

connection - just something different about him)

- He was the only one induced with pitocin (I've heard conflicting reports -

can anyone tell me if pitocin contains mercury?)

- He was the only one of four that had an abnormal alpha-feta protein test -

can't remember exact scores but he was moderately high and re-test came back

normal

Other things contributing to his toxicity that would be same for all my

children

- He's had all vaccinations except booster (we only got a dx this past April

- he will not receive any more vaccinations)

- We live in Florida 2 miles from a garbage dump that burns (I've read it

turns to methyl-mercury gas - anyone familiar with this?)

I've been a member of this group for awhile (and have learned lots!!), but

this is my first post and I must apologize for its length.

I do have two questions:

- we've just sent hair sample to be analyzed and my Dr. believes that we

will find a lot of lead because of Chris' gross motor delays. Has anyone

experienced this? And once lead is removed (or reduced) are they able to

re-gain those skills?

- does anyone know if there is any way to test a baby (or even better, a

fetus) to see if they are sensitive (allergic??) to heavy metals? Is this in

the works?

Thanks so much,

Kirsten

August 5, 2001

> Listmates,

>

> It seems to me that if a child was born toxic, getting the mercury

> from mom, they would be of low birth weight.

I don't know that this is necessarily true. Perhaps some of the

mothers on list who think they were toxic and their baby was toxic at

birth would be willing to describe why they believe this and give

birth weights?

>Isn't that why smokers

> have smaller babies. My son was 8lb 2oz. I am about 107lb and I

> only gain about 27lb during pregnancy. I think this indicates a

good

> size baby and good absorption of nutrients. Doesn't it?

>

> Mari

August 5, 2001

I'm not sure about how much mercury toxitity affects the fetus

compared to how much it is effected through breastfeeding. Both my

babies were average birth weight (7.9 and 7.6 pounds). I gained a lot

with them, though. My first I gained 62 pounds and my second I gained

78. I was underweight before both pregnancies, so I wasn't overweight

acoording to what I should weigh during pregnancy. I believe I read

on Bernie's site that breast milk is a good carrier of mercury. I can

tell you that Logan was breast feed for his first 2 weeks and showed

no signs of autism until vaccinations. Toby is still breast feeding

at 15 months (and I had a ton more amalgams put in between

pregnancies) and shows autistic traits already. He toe walks, hand

flaps when excited and has already lost his only two words " mamma "

and " dadda " . Of course he is still too young for me to know for sure,

but I do see the signs. He is starting an early intervention program

next week and I'm getting his hair tested at Logan's next doctor

visit.

Kaye

> Listmates,

>

> It seems to me that if a child was born toxic, getting the mercury

> from mom, they would be of low birth weight. Isn't that why

smokers

> have smaller babies. My son was 8lb 2oz. I am about 107lb and I

> only gain about 27lb during pregnancy. I think this indicates a

good

> size baby and good absorption of nutrients. Doesn't it?

>

> nne

August 5, 2001

Andy,

My autistic son was 9 lb. 9 oz.. We've always wondered if may be it had

something to do with the birth process, although my son developed normally until

about 18 months. I can think of several questionable things. My water broke

but I was in labor for 12 hours after that, Pitocin was used, vacuum extraction

was used (with great force I might add). But he was definitely a big boy at

birth and my NT son was only 7lb 2 oz.

F.

[ ] Re: ??children born w/ toxic problems, small

> Listmates,

>

> It seems to me that if a child was born toxic, getting the mercury

> from mom, they would be of low birth weight.

I don't know that this is necessarily true. Perhaps some of the

mothers on list who think they were toxic and their baby was toxic at

birth would be willing to describe why they believe this and give

birth weights?

>Isn't that why smokers

> have smaller babies. My son was 8lb 2oz. I am about 107lb and I

> only gain about 27lb during pregnancy. I think this indicates a

good

> size baby and good absorption of nutrients. Doesn't it?

>

> Mari

=======================================================

August 5, 2001

Austin was very small 2lbs 5oz. I am sure that I am toxic. To make things

worse, he was vaccinated at (approx) what should have been 34 weeks

gestation. He wasn't even 4 lbs. I gave him all of his vaccinations on time

(actual age -- not corrected age which was 12 weeks early). It breaks my

heart.

Austin (recovered from pdd) and (nt)

5 yr old twins

> Re: ??children born w/ toxic problems, small

>

August 5, 2001

Do not give up hope. God can do all things. Our son became autistic at age

12 after getting the mmr shots. We have been chelating him with lipoic

acid. He is starting to improve. Please check out our web site

http://ntchristianchurch.homestead.com We would be glad to hear you. Rose

and Albert d701@...

[ ] Re: ??children born w/ toxic problems, small

> Austin was very small 2lbs 5oz. I am sure that I am toxic. To make

things

> worse, he was vaccinated at (approx) what should have been 34 weeks

> gestation. He wasn't even 4 lbs. I gave him all of his vaccinations on

time

> (actual age -- not corrected age which was 12 weeks early). It breaks my

> heart.

>

> Austin (recovered from pdd) and (nt)

> 5 yr old twins

>

> > Re: ??children born w/ toxic problems, small

> >

>

August 5, 2001

Sorry folks. We meant to send this email privately. Albert

[ ] Re: ??children born w/ toxic problems, small

>

> > Austin was very small 2lbs 5oz. I am sure that I am toxic. To make

> things

> > worse, he was vaccinated at (approx) what should have been 34 weeks

> > gestation. He wasn't even 4 lbs. I gave him all of his vaccinations on

> time

> > (actual age -- not corrected age which was 12 weeks early). It breaks

my

> > heart.

> >

> > Austin (recovered from pdd) and (nt)

> > 5 yr old twins

> >

> > > Re: ??children born w/ toxic problems, small

> > >

> >

August 5, 2001

I believe I was toxic at birth...weighed 8 lb, 14 oz, my three siblings weighed

from 9 lb to 10 lb. 1 oz, we were all reportedly a month late (back in the days

before they automatically induced). FWIW.

S

On Sun, 05 August 2001, Eeyoremiami@... wrote:

>

> <html><body>

> <tt>

>

> & gt; I don't know that this is necessarily true. & nbsp; Perhaps some of the

> & gt; mothers on list who think they were toxic and their baby was toxic at

> & gt; birth would be willing to describe why they believe this and give

> & gt; birth weights?

> & gt;

>

> I believe my son was pre-natally toxic and he was the largest baby of my four

> children - 8 lb, 12 oz. & nbsp; Why? & nbsp; No idea, but he's always been very

healthy

> looking - no signs of malnutrition (at least not externally)

>

> With four children (3 NT), I've always tried to think - what was different

> (pregnancy, labor & amp; birth) about . & nbsp; This is what I've come

up with:

> - At 5 wks gestation my husband and I took a trip to London where the bus

> fumes were so bad that I was terribly sick most of the time (this was my 1st

> trip outside the states) I've read that diesel exhaust has mercury - anyone

> know for sure?

> - I have 10 silver amalgams and while this has not changed with any of the

> kids, I did have my teeth cleaned while I was pregnant with (none of

> the others)

> - was born in Jan, 1997 - can't remember if contact lens solution was

> using thimerasol then? & nbsp; (anyone know?)

> - He was the only of the four to have bilirubin at birth (don't know of any

> connection - just something different about him)

> - He was the only one induced with pitocin (I've heard conflicting reports -

> can anyone tell me if pitocin contains mercury?)

> - He was the only one of four that had an abnormal alpha-feta protein test -

> can't remember exact scores but he was moderately high and re-test came back

> normal

>

> Other things contributing to his toxicity that would be same for all my

> children

> - He's had all vaccinations except booster (we only got a dx this past April

> - he will not receive any more vaccinations)

> - We live in Florida 2 miles from a garbage dump that burns (I've read it

> turns to methyl-mercury gas - anyone familiar with this?)

>

> I've been a member of this group for awhile (and have learned lots!!), but

> this is my first post and I must apologize for its length.

>

> I do have two questions:

> - we've just sent hair sample to be analyzed and my Dr. believes that we

> will find a lot of lead because of Chris' gross motor delays. & nbsp; Has anyone

> experienced this? & nbsp; And once lead is removed (or reduced) are they able to

> re-gain those skills?

> - does anyone know if there is any way to test a baby (or even better, a

> fetus) to see if they are sensitive (allergic??) to heavy metals? & nbsp; Is

this in

> the works?

>

> Thanks so much,

> Kirsten

>

>

August 6, 2001

I thought it was a very nice message, although I often

send such sentiments privately as well. In my opinion,

no harm done. I'm glad you are starting to see some

improvement.

At 04:50 PM 8/5/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Sorry folks. We meant to send this email privately. Albert

> [ ] Re: ??children born w/ toxic problems, small

>>

>> > Austin was very small 2lbs 5oz. I am sure that I am toxic. To make

>> things

>> > worse, he was vaccinated at (approx) what should have been 34 weeks

>> > gestation. He wasn't even 4 lbs. I gave him all of his vaccinations on

>> time

>> > (actual age -- not corrected age which was 12 weeks early). It breaks

>my

>> > heart.

>> >

>> > Austin (recovered from pdd) and (nt)

>> > 5 yr old twins

>> >

>> > > Re: ??children born w/ toxic problems, small

>> > >

>> >

August 6, 2001

ne,

My ASD son was born 5 weeks early and weighed 5lbs8oz. I only gained

about 25 pounds while pregnant with him. He didn't display the

" regressive " type of autism, but just slow progression. He may have been

born toxic, as I ate tuna almost every day and had 6 amalgams already in

place. I don't smoke, workout and eat very healthy (Except for tuna at

the time, not knowing) My NT 2 1/2 yr old son didn't get vacinated until

after age 2 , I didn't eat seafood at all while pregnant and he was born

healthy at 6lbs 8oz.

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I believe my son started on the path to mercury/heavy metal poisoning when I

was given an amalgam filling at 7 months gestation. My son was induced at 42

weeks and weighed 9 pounds.

In a message dated 8/5/2001 9:28:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

AndyCutler@... writes:

<<

> Listmates,

>

> It seems to me that if a child was born toxic, getting the mercury

> from mom, they would be of low birth weight.

I don't know that this is necessarily true. Perhaps some of the

mothers on list who think they were toxic and their baby was toxic at

birth would be willing to describe why they believe this and give

birth weights?

>>

August 6, 2001

Kirsten,

Getting the lead out has made a huge difference in my son Jack.

Improvements w/ motorplanning with every cycle.

I would bet if you have one child sensitive to metals you have more

than one sensitive to metals.

nne

-- In @y..., Eeyoremiami@a... wrote:

>

> > I don't know that this is necessarily true. Perhaps some of the

> > mothers on list who think they were toxic and their baby was

toxic at

> > birth would be willing to describe why they believe this and give

> > birth weights?

> >

>

> I believe my son was pre-natally toxic and he was the largest baby

of my four

> children - 8 lb, 12 oz. Why? No idea, but he's always been very

healthy

> looking - no signs of malnutrition (at least not externally)

>

> With four children (3 NT), I've always tried to think - what was

different

> (pregnancy, labor & birth) about . This is what I've

come up with:

> - At 5 wks gestation my husband and I took a trip to London where

the bus

> fumes were so bad that I was terribly sick most of the time (this

was my 1st

> trip outside the states) I've read that diesel exhaust has mercury

- anyone

> know for sure?

> - I have 10 silver amalgams and while this has not changed with

any of the

> kids, I did have my teeth cleaned while I was pregnant with Chris

(none of

> the others)

> - was born in Jan, 1997 - can't remember if contact lens

solution was

> using thimerasol then? (anyone know?)

> - He was the only of the four to have bilirubin at birth (don't

know of any

> connection - just something different about him)

> - He was the only one induced with pitocin (I've heard conflicting

reports -

> can anyone tell me if pitocin contains mercury?)

> - He was the only one of four that had an abnormal alpha-feta

protein test -

> can't remember exact scores but he was moderately high and re-test

came back

> normal

>

> Other things contributing to his toxicity that would be same for

all my

> children

> - He's had all vaccinations except booster (we only got a dx this

past April

> - he will not receive any more vaccinations)

> - We live in Florida 2 miles from a garbage dump that burns (I've

read it

> turns to methyl-mercury gas - anyone familiar with this?)

>

> I've been a member of this group for awhile (and have learned

lots!!), but

> this is my first post and I must apologize for its length.

>

> I do have two questions:

> - we've just sent hair sample to be analyzed and my Dr. believes

that we

> will find a lot of lead because of Chris' gross motor delays. Has

anyone

> experienced this? And once lead is removed (or reduced) are they

able to

> re-gain those skills?

> - does anyone know if there is any way to test a baby (or even

better, a

> fetus) to see if they are sensitive (allergic??) to heavy metals?

Is this in

> the works?

>

> Thanks so much,

> Kirsten

>

August 8, 2001

In a message dated 8/5/01 10:51:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, snickol@...

writes:

> ne,

> My ASD son was born 5 weeks early and weighed 5lbs8oz. I only gained

> about 25 pounds while pregnant with him. He didn't display the

> " regressive " type of autism, but just slow progression. He may have been

> born toxic, as I ate tuna almost every day and had 6 amalgams already in

> place. I don't smoke, workout and eat very healthy (Except for tuna at

> the time, not knowing) My NT 2 1/2 yr old son didn't get vacinated until

> after age 2 , I didn't eat seafood at all while pregnant and he was born

> healthy at 6lbs 8oz.

>

I believe my son is similar to yours. He is now 5. He didn't have

regressive autism. He reacted to his DTP shots everytime..... I also ate a

lot of tuna while pregnant, I had gestational diabetes and this was very

indicated on my diet. I also ate lots of other fish. I am an RH- mom too

and was vaccinated with Rhogam during pregnancy....much exposure to mercury.

My son never really progressed into a toddler.....thinking back delays

probably started close to 1 year of age, hand flapping around 9-10

months.....we just thought he was excited about life and Barney....who would

have known.....but he definitely passed as typical then.

My little guy who is now 3 1/2, was fully vaccinated, and I also had

gestational diabetes while pregnant with him, was vaccinated with Rhogam with

him too.....Sal, my autistic son has trouble with metals and my little guy

just doesn't.

August 9, 2001

>

>I believe my son is similar to yours. He is now 5. He didn't have

>regressive autism. He reacted to his DTP shots everytime..... I also ate a

>lot of tuna while pregnant, I had gestational diabetes and this was very

>indicated on my diet. I also ate lots of other fish. I am an RH- mom too

>and was vaccinated with Rhogam during pregnancy....much exposure to mercury.

>My son never really progressed into a toddler.....thinking back delays

>probably started close to 1 year of age, hand flapping around 9-10

>months.....we just thought he was excited about life and Barney....who would

>have known.....but he definitely passed as typical then.

>

>My little guy who is now 3 1/2, was fully vaccinated, and I also had

>gestational diabetes while pregnant with him, was vaccinated with Rhogam with

>him too.....Sal, my autistic son has trouble with metals and my little guy

> just doesn't.

I read that the amount of mercury in tuna is minute compared to that in

the shots.

See www.whale.to, click on 'vaccines'

>

August 9, 2001

My oldest daughter, now 22 was the only one of mine induced. She has some

developmental problems that has always been attributed to the fact that the

amniotic fluid was meconium stained- signs of baby already being stressed in

utero. She weighted 8# 15 oz.

(17) weighed 9 # 3 oz. Not induced, minimal IV pain medication. He's

the autistic one. Had a filling replaced that broke during pregnancy.

Younger daughter (14) is NT. No Pitocin, same pain meds. Weighed 9# 11oz. Had

all immunizations including an extra HIB by accident when changed peds.

All were breastfed and supplemented the evenings I worked. Breastfed all over

1 year. NT daughter breastfed until 18 months.

Don't agree that size has anything to do with it. Also don't agree about the

breastfeeding issues that often come up on this list. Breastmilk is by far

the best for the immune system and properly functioning bowel- much less

likely to have leaky gut with breastfeeding. Cows milk formula causes

different intestinal flora and isn't properly digested- more likely to cause

problems.

Ruth (OB RN, lactation educator)

August 9, 2001

> Breastmilk is by far

> the best for the immune system and properly functioning bowel- much less

> likely to have leaky gut with breastfeeding.

Unless the mother is toxic. I used to believe I did the best thing by

breastfeeding, now.. well I wouldn't do it over again.

" The more I learn, the less I know " -could there be a more fitting phrase with

ASD?

August 9, 2001

In a message dated 8/8/01 8:39:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, moira@...

writes:

> I read that the amount of mercury in tuna is minute compared to that in

> the shots

Whatever the amount, its the whole big picture that counts. I ate lots of

tuna and all types of other fish, I am RH- and was vaccinated during

pregnancy, and all the shots that my son had before becoming symptomatic. My

son was also induced with Pitocin. The DTP shots did my son in by about 9-10

months of age thinking back. He started showing some very, very subtle signs.

August 9, 2001

'Tain't necessarily so. According to the American Lung Ass'n, 11% of

babies born to smoking mothers are of low birth weight; they don't

say what % of babies born to non-smokers are low birth weight. I'm

not saying it's good to smoke during preganancy, but amoking does not

by any means guarantee a low birth weight. I know I'm mercury toxic;

I was dx'd with fibromyalgia years ago and my personal dental and

medical history points to amalgam. Of my three children, one is

autistic; they weighed 8#6oz, 7#15oz, and 8#9oz, with the last one

being autistic. Had rhogam shots after each birth, and breastfed them

all. What really sent my son " over the edge " was vaccinations, but I

believe he was born with a mercury load. Sounds as though your child

had good nutrition, but I don't think that indicates toxicity one way

or another; genetics seems to determine birth weight, more than

anything. Hope this helps.

-- In @y..., marib005@h... wrote:

> Listmates,

>

> It seems to me that if a child was born toxic, getting the mercury

> from mom, they would be of low birth weight. Isn't that why

smokers

> have smaller babies. My son was 8lb 2oz. I am about 107lb and I

> only gain about 27lb during pregnancy. I think this indicates a

good

> size baby and good absorption of nutrients. Doesn't it?

>

> nne

August 9, 2001

I have three children - my oldest is 14 and NT. She weighed 4lbs and

14 oz at birth. Apgars were both 10.(somehow she had gotten her

umbilacle chord in a knot), is 7 and has autism - he weighed

7.4 lbs at birth. He did have bilateral club feet but apgars were 9

and 10. My third is 4 and she is nt also. She weighed 7.4 lbs at

birth and apgars were 9 and 10.

did have an awful pre-delivery. I was giving my mom CPR at 9

months pregnant. (she had a heart attact infront of me). Broke water

at 9 pm two nights later and he wasn't born till almost 24 hours

after that. He came out and I was only 1/2 way dialated!!!! His head

was in a litteral point like a pyramid! Birth Injury, involving head

but they vacced anyway. ...and club feet. Still vaccing. Held off 15

months dpt, mmr combo till 20 months because of ear infections.

Waited 30 days after antibiotics and then allowed the vaccines. He

had a major seizre 9 days later.... the rest shall we say is history.

Maybe it just isn't one or two things, but a whole mess of combo's

for each child is different.

I had 7 amalgams in my mouth and got two put in while breastfeeding

him. He had multiple surgeries to help correct the feet.

I have dx's of " hyper-activity " , dyslexia and according to tow dr.s I

meet the criteria for Aspergers. My poor son didn't have a chance.

> > Listmates,

> >

> > It seems to me that if a child was born toxic, getting the

mercury

> > from mom, they would be of low birth weight. Isn't that why

> smokers

> > have smaller babies. My son was 8lb 2oz. I am about 107lb and I

> > only gain about 27lb during pregnancy. I think this indicates a

> good

> > size baby and good absorption of nutrients. Doesn't it?

> >

> > nne

August 9, 2001

> Don't agree that size has anything to do with it. Also don't agree

>about the breastfeeding issues that often come up on this list.

>Breastmilk is by far the best for the immune system and properly

>functioning bowel- much less likely to have leaky gut with

>breastfeeding. Cows milk formula causes different intestinal flora

>and isn't properly digested- more likely to cause problems.

>

> Ruth (OB RN, lactation educator)

I agree with you Ruth, even though I am mercury toxic. I'm still

nursing my 15 month old and have people telling me to stop. I know

Toby is getting mercury from me, but I feel putting him on something

else will make the problems worse. I don't want to make things worse

than I already am, and I know his immune system is benefiting from my

milk.

Just my opinion,

Kaye

August 9, 2001

Hi! I just joined this list and had to speak up about the breastfeeding. We

just found out (hair and blood tests) that my PDD-NOS son has toxic levels of

aluminum, arsenic, copper and so on. The hair was a 4 month old baby hair

sample, so this indicates so far, that it came from me. I breastfed him for 2

1/2 yrs. I am currently breastfeeding my 16 month old daughter and she has

absolutely no symptoms, so far. I will go through the testing myself as soon

as we get my son situated. I think this indicates that my son has a defective

gene and my daughter does not???I am still not clear about this.

Jane

August 10, 2001

Jane,

I have not have any testing done yet, but I tend to agree with you on this. My

5.5 yr old son has Aspergers and my 2.5 daughter is OK. I breastfed both,

although only 4.5 months with my son and 6.5 months with my daughter. My son

has also been the way he is now from the time he could sit up- rocking in crib,

temper tantrums, did not like to be held unless on his own terms, etc. I really

just thought it was a personality type at the time and still do in a way. I

plan to see about testing myself as well, but I agree with your genetic theory -

plus my son had 2 sets of ear tubes/exzema and adenoids removed all before age

2.

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