Re: Vitamin A and strabismus

[Guest guest]

> The following is the opinion of an eye doctor I know about the

utility

> of vitamin A for strabismus:

>

> >I am very skeptical to say the least about vitamin A curing

> >strabismus. I have seen many parents that think that the kid's

> >strabismus has been cured including some of my own VT cases in

which

> >the eye is indeed still turned when I do the examination. I have

> >never seen a case in my office in which the parent thought that

> >there was a miracle cure that it actually turned out to be true.

>

> Verifying any such cure with a proper vision exam may be

appropriate.

>

> Andy

Andy,

Is this doctor in Washington State? Do you mind telling me who he

is? Is he really educated in the fact of mercury toxicity? I would

like to get a second opinion. My son is on his 3rd round and now his

eyes are blood shot. I am the one that posted last week about the

eyes being dialated through the first and second round. The day

before the 3rd round my sons eye quit crossing and both pupils

returned to normal. The crossing returned with chelation.

Jenifer

[Guest guest]

> > The following is the opinion of an eye doctor I know about the

> utility

> > of vitamin A for strabismus:

> >

> > >I am very skeptical to say the least about vitamin A curing

> > >strabismus. I have seen many parents that think that the kid's

> > >strabismus has been cured including some of my own VT cases in

> which

> > >the eye is indeed still turned when I do the examination. I have

> > >never seen a case in my office in which the parent thought that

> > >there was a miracle cure that it actually turned out to be true.

> >

> > Verifying any such cure with a proper vision exam may be

> appropriate.

> >

> > Andy

> Andy,

> Is this doctor in Washington State?

Yes. Contact information will be sent privately for personal use only.

Anyone else who wishes to see a Washington state eye doctor about this

may also contact me privately.

>Do you mind telling me who he

> is? Is he really educated in the fact of mercury toxicity? I would

> like to get a second opinion. My son is on his 3rd round and now

his

> eyes are blood shot. I am the one that posted last week about the

> eyes being dialated through the first and second round. The day

> before the 3rd round my sons eye quit crossing and both pupils

> returned to normal. The crossing returned with chelation.

> Jeni

[Guest guest]

Not sure if this is related to what this doc is specifically stating but

thought I'd mention that my son has an intermintant, divergent strambismus

along with a history of tracking problems, changing blind spots and

convergence problems. We use the cod liver oil part of Dr. Megson's protocol

only. For him, it is a miracle treatment in that it caused a rapid

improvement in all of these conditions within one week on two separate

trails. Now, if he misses a dose, these problems gradually return (showing

problems after one missed day and worsening to pre-treatment status within

two weeks). We do daily vision training exercises with him so can see a

change in function pretty rapidly. While I'm sure these exercises are

helping some, the CLO is vital to his vision. So, this CLO/Vitamin A therapy

has not cured his problem in that he must continue to take it but it has

seemed to nearly normalize the function.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

Andy,

I'd be curious to know if this doctor has seen metals toxic children who have

intermintent strabismuses or inconsistent vision problems? My son went

through several eye exams before a vision therapist picked up on his. His

used to worsen with stress and under toxic or high allergy conditions. I

know of several other special-needs kids that have experienced the same. I

wonder if strabismuses in these cases are different than the traditional ones

that are more prominent and perhaps may respond differently to various

therapies/treatments.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

In subsequent discussion, the doc did point out that the vitamin A or

essential oils in CLO could lead to a generally improved condition,

which would make INTERMITTENT strabismus occur less frequently. She

didn't think it would be likely to eliminate it completely.

Andy

> Not sure if this is related to what this doc is specifically stating

but

> thought I'd mention that my son has an intermintant, divergent

strambismus

> along with a history of tracking problems, changing blind spots and

> convergence problems. We use the cod liver oil part of Dr. Megson's

protocol

> only. For him, it is a miracle treatment in that it caused a rapid

> improvement in all of these conditions within one week on two

separate

> trails. Now, if he misses a dose, these problems gradually return

(showing

> problems after one missed day and worsening to pre-treatment status

within

> two weeks). We do daily vision training exercises with him so can

see a

> change in function pretty rapidly. While I'm sure these exercises

are

> helping some, the CLO is vital to his vision. So, this CLO/Vitamin

A therapy

> has not cured his problem in that he must continue to take it but it

has

> seemed to nearly normalize the function.

> Gaylen

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have

[Guest guest]

> Andy,

>

> I'd be curious to know if this doctor has seen metals toxic children

who have

> intermintent strabismuses or inconsistent vision problems?

Yes, lots of them.

See my previous post for clarification.

She also gave me a hard time for not sanitizing her private

communication better - she DOES believe that most of the stuff parents

say really is happening, even if their pediatricians blow it off. She

just doesn't believe that vitamin A does anything at all relevant to

curing strabismus, with the exception of making an intermittent one

less frequent.

>My son went

> through several eye exams before a vision therapist picked up on

his.

This is common. This doc is the one picking them up when 3 other

doc's missed it.

She also said one of the problems is sometimes a doc, usually a

pediatrician, will diagnose a strabismus when the kid doesn't actually

have one, and then the parent will think something " cured " it later.

>His

> used to worsen with stress and under toxic or high allergy

conditions. I

> know of several other special-needs kids that have experienced the

same. I

> wonder if strabismuses in these cases are different than the

traditional ones

> that are more prominent and perhaps may respond differently to

various

> therapies/treatments.

Not that much. She has a few dozen toxic kids in her practice.

Mostly, the toxic kids don't respond as well to vision therapy as ones

who got it some other way. But they are otherwise similar in overall

response - there is nothing where toxic kids respond to one technique

and other kids respond to a different one.

She has also seen the toxic kids begin to respond much better after

either detox, or appropriate supportive treatment, or removal of

exposure.

> Gaylen

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message

[Guest guest]

> Not sure if this is related to what this doc is specifically

stating but

> thought I'd mention that my son has an intermintant, divergent

strambismus

> along with a history of tracking problems, changing blind spots and

> convergence problems. We use the cod liver oil part of Dr.

Megson's protocol

> only. For him, it is a miracle treatment in that it caused a rapid

> improvement in all of these conditions within one week on two

separate

> trails. Now, if he misses a dose, these problems gradually return

(showing

> problems after one missed day and worsening to pre-treatment status

within

> two weeks). We do daily vision training exercises with him so can

see a

> change in function pretty rapidly. While I'm sure these exercises

are

> helping some, the CLO is vital to his vision. So, this CLO/Vitamin

A therapy

> has not cured his problem in that he must continue to take it but

it has

> seemed to nearly normalize the function.

> Gaylen

---------------------------------

Absolute DITTO here, straight down the line. Leads me to believe

that " strabismus " in many ASD kids with the above vision anomalies is

a mislabel. This was put on my 5 year old ASD son by his

pediatrician, but never repeated by any opthamologist. His vision

problems were completely and unequivocally corrected by cis form vit.

A at the RDA (3000IU for him). It took about a week. Once he could

see the world properly, his learning accelerated. This is a bandaid

approach in my opinion, whereas metal detox will eventually allow

normalized vit. A metabolism. The work of Dr. Megson, though, is of

great importance, in my opinion. Anyone with an ASD child

demonstrating vision or eye movement anomalies would do well to get

her tapes and writings on G proteins. It is likely that, if rod

function is as impaired as she believes, children would HAVE to do

strange things with their eyes and observe at odd angles, to get any

semblance of contrast perception. Palmitate form A requires

unimpaired epithelial function, whereas cis form A is absorbed even

in a damaged bowel. I am glad your child (as is mine) is helped by

this simple therapy.

Steve

[Guest guest]

I really wonder how many vision abnormalities are mercury

(or other metals)--- The treatments (VT, vitamin A, glasses,

patching, surgery, etc)

seem so much more complex and difficult even than chelation!

Personally, I'd like to put up signs about merc poisoning in

the waiting rooms of vision clinics, optomistrists offices, etc,

and I think this would be a reasonable and proactive step

toward public health. Screening vision patients for metals

also seems appropriate IMO.

Moria

>Absolute DITTO here, straight down the line. Leads me to believe

>that " strabismus " in many ASD kids with the above vision anomalies is

>a mislabel. This was put on my 5 year old ASD son by his

>pediatrician, but never repeated by any opthamologist. His vision

>problems were completely and unequivocally corrected by cis form vit.

>A at the RDA (3000IU for him). It took about a week. Once he could

>see the world properly, his learning accelerated. This is a bandaid

>approach in my opinion, whereas metal detox will eventually allow

>normalized vit. A metabolism. The work of Dr. Megson, though, is of

>great importance, in my opinion. Anyone with an ASD child

>demonstrating vision or eye movement anomalies would do well to get

>her tapes and writings on G proteins. It is likely that, if rod

>function is as impaired as she believes, children would HAVE to do

>strange things with their eyes and observe at odd angles, to get any

>semblance of contrast perception. Palmitate form A requires

>unimpaired epithelial function, whereas cis form A is absorbed even

>in a damaged bowel. I am glad your child (as is mine) is helped by

>this simple therapy.

>

>Steve

[Guest guest]

> I really wonder how many vision abnormalities are mercury

> (or other metals)--- The treatments (VT, vitamin A, glasses,

> patching, surgery, etc)

> seem so much more complex and difficult even than chelation!

>

> Personally, I'd like to put up signs about merc poisoning in

> the waiting rooms of vision clinics, optomistrists offices, etc,

> and I think this would be a reasonable and proactive step

> toward public health. Screening vision patients for metals

> also seems appropriate IMO.

The eye doc's scope of licensure doesn't extent to doing anything

about it, and the AMA insists it isn't a real condition so this is not

very functional at present.

Once we fix the licensure laws so that they no longer grant the AMA

and it's beneficiaries an unjustified monopoly on health care I am

sure this kind of thing will happen.

>

> Moria

>

> >Absolute DITTO here, straight down the line. Leads me to believe

> >that " strabismus " in many ASD kids with the above vision anomalies

is

> >a mislabel. This was put on my 5 year old ASD son by his

> >pediatrician, but never repeated by any opthamologist.

Ummm... I really don't know if he had it or not, but my eye doctor

friend went on at some length that pediatricians miss lots of

strabismuses, but then also diagnose it a lot of times when it really

isn't there.

> His vision

> >problems were completely and unequivocally corrected by cis form

vit.

> >A at the RDA (3000IU for him). It took about a week. Once he

could

> >see the world properly, his learning accelerated. This is a

bandaid

> >approach in my opinion, whereas metal detox will eventually allow

> >normalized vit. A metabolism. The work of Dr. Megson, though, is

of

> >great importance, in my opinion. Anyone with an ASD child

> >demonstrating vision or eye movement anomalies would do well to get

> >her tapes and writings on G proteins. It is likely that, if rod

> >function is as impaired as she believes, children would HAVE to do

> >strange things with their eyes and observe at odd angles, to get

any

> >semblance of contrast perception. Palmitate form A requires

> >unimpaired epithelial function, whereas cis form A is absorbed even

> >in a damaged bowel. I am glad your child (as is mine) is helped by

> >this simple therapy.

[Guest guest]

Do you think the cis form is better than CLO? We've been doing CLO for a

while with not much change.

Barb

[ ] Re: Vitamin A and strabismus

>

>> Not sure if this is related to what this doc is specifically

>stating but

>> thought I'd mention that my son has an intermintant, divergent

>strambismus

>> along with a history of tracking problems, changing blind spots and

>> convergence problems. We use the cod liver oil part of Dr.

>Megson's protocol

>> only. For him, it is a miracle treatment in that it caused a rapid

>> improvement in all of these conditions within one week on two

>separate

>> trails. Now, if he misses a dose, these problems gradually return

>(showing

>> problems after one missed day and worsening to pre-treatment status

>within

>> two weeks). We do daily vision training exercises with him so can

>see a

>> change in function pretty rapidly. While I'm sure these exercises

>are

>> helping some, the CLO is vital to his vision. So, this CLO/Vitamin

>A therapy

>> has not cured his problem in that he must continue to take it but

>it has

>> seemed to nearly normalize the function.

>> Gaylen

>

>---------------------------------

>Absolute DITTO here, straight down the line. Leads me to believe

>that " strabismus " in many ASD kids with the above vision anomalies is

>a mislabel. This was put on my 5 year old ASD son by his

>pediatrician, but never repeated by any opthamologist. His vision

>problems were completely and unequivocally corrected by cis form vit.

>A at the RDA (3000IU for him). It took about a week. Once he could

>see the world properly, his learning accelerated. This is a bandaid

>approach in my opinion, whereas metal detox will eventually allow

>normalized vit. A metabolism. The work of Dr. Megson, though, is of

>great importance, in my opinion. Anyone with an ASD child

>demonstrating vision or eye movement anomalies would do well to get

>her tapes and writings on G proteins. It is likely that, if rod

>function is as impaired as she believes, children would HAVE to do

>strange things with their eyes and observe at odd angles, to get any

>semblance of contrast perception. Palmitate form A requires

>unimpaired epithelial function, whereas cis form A is absorbed even

>in a damaged bowel. I am glad your child (as is mine) is helped by

>this simple therapy.

>

>Steve

>

>

>

>

>=======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

This is so strange. I have a 'normal' son with stabismus in one eye

(his brother is the one with aspbergers) I also do exercises

(prescribed by his optometrist) with him daily -which helps a

little. But I've been giving him massive doses of mixed carotenes -

100,000 per day-to rid him of warts (which is finally working, by the

way). He has been on this dose for five months and it hasn't changed

his strabismus one iota. Maybe the cod liver oil has a different

effect than the carotenes OR maybe strabismus is misdiagnosed in asd

kids and is really part of a larger vision problem,which is corrected

by the A as you suggested (which I tend to agree with). I have

never heard of vit A helping correct standard strabismus and I have

now seen 3 opthamologists who specialize in different parts of the

eye and two optometrists who perform pediatric vision therapy.

(However, that doesn't necessarily mean anything as most docs aren't

too up on anything not taught in school, as we are all too well

aware.) Has anyone searched to see if there have been any studies

done on this? After dragging my poor son to various specialists,

I've learned that strabismus has nothing to do with any of the

structures in the eye-they are all perfectly formed and fully

functional-but rather stems from the brain-sort of a crossed signal

(although they all have admitted they are clueless as to the exact

mechanism involved-which is why surgery is such a bizarre solution-to

me.) It sure would be nice if a little therapy and some vitamins were

the answer!

N.

> > Not sure if this is related to what this doc is specifically

> stating but

> > thought I'd mention that my son has an intermintant, divergent

> strambismus

> > along with a history of tracking problems, changing blind spots

and

> > convergence problems. We use the cod liver oil part of Dr.

> Megson's protocol

> > only. For him, it is a miracle treatment in that it caused a

rapid

> > improvement in all of these conditions within one week on two

> separate

> > trails. Now, if he misses a dose, these problems gradually

return

> (showing

> > problems after one missed day and worsening to pre-treatment

status

> within

> > two weeks). We do daily vision training exercises with him so

can

> see a

> > change in function pretty rapidly. While I'm sure these

exercises

> are

> > helping some, the CLO is vital to his vision. So, this

CLO/Vitamin

> A therapy

> > has not cured his problem in that he must continue to take it but

> it has

> > seemed to nearly normalize the function.

> > Gaylen

>

> ---------------------------------

> Absolute DITTO here, straight down the line. Leads me to believe

> that " strabismus " in many ASD kids with the above vision anomalies

is

> a mislabel. This was put on my 5 year old ASD son by his

> pediatrician, but never repeated by any opthamologist. His vision

> problems were completely and unequivocally corrected by cis form

vit.

> A at the RDA (3000IU for him). It took about a week. Once he

could

> see the world properly, his learning accelerated. This is a

bandaid

> approach in my opinion, whereas metal detox will eventually allow

> normalized vit. A metabolism. The work of Dr. Megson, though, is

of

> great importance, in my opinion. Anyone with an ASD child

> demonstrating vision or eye movement anomalies would do well to get

> her tapes and writings on G proteins. It is likely that, if rod

> function is as impaired as she believes, children would HAVE to do

> strange things with their eyes and observe at odd angles, to get

any

> semblance of contrast perception. Palmitate form A requires

> unimpaired epithelial function, whereas cis form A is absorbed even

> in a damaged bowel. I am glad your child (as is mine) is helped by

> this simple therapy.

>

> Steve

[Guest guest]

> > > Not sure if this is related to what this doc is specifically

> > stating but

> > > thought I'd mention that my son has an intermintant, divergent

> > strambismus

> > > along with a history of tracking problems, changing blind spots

> and

> > > convergence problems. We use the cod liver oil part of Dr.

> > Megson's protocol

> > > only. For him, it is a miracle treatment in that it caused a

> rapid

> > > improvement in all of these conditions within one week on two

> > separate

> > > trails. Now, if he misses a dose, these problems gradually

> return

> > (showing

> > > problems after one missed day and worsening to pre-treatment

> status

> > within

> > > two weeks). We do daily vision training exercises with him so

> can

> > see a

> > > change in function pretty rapidly. While I'm sure these

> exercises

> > are

> > > helping some, the CLO is vital to his vision. So, this

> CLO/Vitamin

> > A therapy

> > > has not cured his problem in that he must continue to take it

but

> > it has

> > > seemed to nearly normalize the function.

> > > Gaylen

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Absolute DITTO here, straight down the line. Leads me to believe

> > that " strabismus " in many ASD kids with the above vision anomalies

> is

> > a mislabel. This was put on my 5 year old ASD son by his

> > pediatrician, but never repeated by any opthamologist. His vision

> > problems were completely and unequivocally corrected by cis form

> vit.

> > A at the RDA (3000IU for him). It took about a week. Once he

> could

> > see the world properly, his learning accelerated. This is a

> bandaid

> > approach in my opinion, whereas metal detox will eventually allow

> > normalized vit. A metabolism. The work of Dr. Megson, though, is

> of

> > great importance, in my opinion. Anyone with an ASD child

> > demonstrating vision or eye movement anomalies would do well to

get

> > her tapes and writings on G proteins. It is likely that, if rod

> > function is as impaired as she believes, children would HAVE to do

> > strange things with their eyes and observe at odd angles, to get

> any

> > semblance of contrast perception. Palmitate form A requires

> > unimpaired epithelial function, whereas cis form A is absorbed

even

> > in a damaged bowel. I am glad your child (as is mine) is helped

by

> > this simple therapy.

> >

[Guest guest]

I remember reading something (in ARI newsletter? over a yr ago) about the

measles vaccine interfering with the body's ability to properly use vit A from

many natural sources as being the basis behind the Megson promotion of CLO

(reportedly a more accessible form) for folks w/ ASD.

S

On Tue, 31 July 2001, AndyCutler@... wrote:

>

> <html><body>

> <tt>

> <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; Not sure if this is related to what this doc is specifically

<BR>

> & gt; & gt; stating but <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; thought I'd mention that my son has an intermintant, divergent

<BR>

> & gt; & gt; strambismus <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; along with a history of tracking problems, changing blind spots

<BR>

> & gt; and <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; convergence problems. & nbsp; We use the cod liver oil part of

Dr. <BR>

> & gt; & gt; Megson's protocol <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; only. & nbsp; For him, it is a miracle treatment in that it

caused a <BR>

> & gt; rapid <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; improvement in all of these conditions within one week on two

<BR>

> & gt; & gt; separate <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; trails. & nbsp; Now, if he misses a dose, these problems

gradually <BR>

> & gt; return <BR>

> & gt; & gt; (showing <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; problems after one missed day and worsening to pre-treatment

<BR>

> & gt; status <BR>

> & gt; & gt; within <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; two weeks). & nbsp; We do daily vision training exercises with

him so <BR>

> & gt; can <BR>

> & gt; & gt; see a <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; change in function pretty rapidly. & nbsp; While I'm sure these

<BR>

> & gt; exercises <BR>

> & gt; & gt; are <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; helping some, the CLO is vital to his vision. & nbsp; So, this

<BR>

> & gt; CLO/Vitamin <BR>

> & gt; & gt; A therapy <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; has not cured his problem in that he must continue to take it

<BR>

> but <BR>

> & gt; & gt; it has <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; seemed to nearly normalize the function.<BR>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; Gaylen & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; ---------------------------------<BR>

> & gt; & gt; Absolute DITTO here, straight down the line. & nbsp; Leads me to

believe <BR>

> & gt; & gt; that & quot;strabismus & quot; in many ASD kids with the above vision

anomalies <BR>

> & gt; is <BR>

> & gt; & gt; a mislabel. & nbsp; This was put on my 5 year old ASD son by his <BR>

> & gt; & gt; pediatrician, but never repeated by any opthamologist. & nbsp; His

vision <BR>

> & gt; & gt; problems were completely and unequivocally corrected by cis form

<BR>

> & gt; vit. <BR>

> & gt; & gt; A at the RDA (3000IU for him). & nbsp; It took about a week. & nbsp;

Once he <BR>

> & gt; could <BR>

> & gt; & gt; see the world properly, his learning accelerated. & nbsp; This is a

<BR>

> & gt; bandaid <BR>

> & gt; & gt; approach in my opinion, whereas metal detox will eventually allow

<BR>

> & gt; & gt; normalized vit. A metabolism. & nbsp; The work of Dr. Megson, though,

is <BR>

> & gt; of <BR>

> & gt; & gt; great importance, in my opinion. & nbsp; Anyone with an ASD child <BR>

> & gt; & gt; demonstrating vision or eye movement anomalies would do well to <BR>

> get <BR>

> & gt; & gt; her tapes and writings on G proteins. & nbsp; It is likely that, if

rod <BR>

> & gt; & gt; function is as impaired as she believes, children would HAVE to do

<BR>

> & gt; & gt; strange things with their eyes and observe at odd angles, to get

<BR>

> & gt; any <BR>

> & gt; & gt; semblance of contrast perception. & nbsp; Palmitate form A requires

<BR>

> & gt; & gt; unimpaired epithelial function, whereas cis form A is absorbed <BR>

> even <BR>

> & gt; & gt; in a damaged bowel. & nbsp; I am glad your child (as is mine) is

helped <BR>

> by <BR>

> & gt; & gt; this simple therapy.<BR>

> & gt; & gt;<BR>

> <BR>

> </tt>

>

> <br>

>

> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->

>

> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2>

> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC>

> <td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b>

Sponsor</b></font></td>

> </tr>

> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF>

> <td width=470><table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td

align=center><font face=arial size=-2>ADVERTISEMENT</font><br><a

href= " http://rd./M=210574.1511967.3081913.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705061\

616:HM/A=725668/R=0/*http://ads.track-star.com/adspace.ts?ts=1;2;217;107_132_105\

_304 " target=_top><img

src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/di/dietsmart/300x250_blue_scale7_24.gif\

" alt= " Lose 20 lbs by September 24th! " width= " 300 " height= " 250 "

border= " 0 " ></a></td></tr></table></td>

> </tr>

> <tr><td><img alt= " " width=1 height=1

src= " http://us.adserver./l?M=210574.1511967.3081913.1261774/D=egroupmai\

l/S=1705061616:HM/A=725668/rand=336671431 " ></td></tr>

> </table>

>

> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->

>

>

> <br>

> <tt>

> =======================================================<BR>

>