I know this sounds weird, but I amjealous of anyone who doesn't have TMJ...

[Guest guest]

know this sounds weird, but I amjealous of anyone who doesn't have

TMJ. My Orthodontist did not prepare me for Orthognathic surgery.

If he had prepared me for this, is itmost likely that I would not

have had tmj?

[Guest guest]

> You're starting to sound like a broken record. Are you trying to

> gather information for a lawsuit or something? No doctor could

have

> predicted or prevented TMJ. Just deal with what you have and get

on

> with it. There are a lot worse things in life than TMJ and/or

> orthognathic surgery. Don't want to sound harsh but I've been

> responding to you for a month now. I've never received a reply

from

> you concerning my posts...just the same question over and over.

>

> Cheryl

CHERYL, DO YOU HAVE TMJ? IF NOT, THEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE

TO SUFFER WITH THIS HORRIFIC DISEASE? AND IF YOU EXPERIENCE THIS,

WHICH BASED ON YOUR STATEMENTS, I DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE, THEN YOU WOULD

KNOW THAT TMJ IS ONE OF THE WORST THINGS TO DEAL WITH. FURTHERMORE

MOST CARING DOCTORS WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING. WHATSMORE, IF I

WERE GEARING UP FOR A LAW SUIT, I WOULD NOT USE THE INFORMATION THAT

I OBTAIN HERE FOR THAT LAWSUIT. I WOULD ONLY USE INFORMATION BY

MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO TESTIFY. I WAS A

STUDENT GETTING READY TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL BEFORE MY TMJ AND I HAVE

DONE RESEARCH ON THIS, SO I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE INS AND OUTS OF

THIS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO HAVE YOUR EAR PLUG UP OVER

EVERY SINGLE SLIGHT HILL? I DOUBT IT. SO IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO

GET ON WITH MY LIFE! HOW OLD ARE YOU ANYWAY? I ALSO HAVE NOT

RECIEVED ANY OF YOUR REPLIES. I DON'T LOG INTO THIS SITE EVERYDAY AS

I ANM BUSY WITH MY NEW TMJ DOCTOR WHO IS TRYING TO CORRECT MY TMJ

PROBLEMS. PLEASE BE A LITTLE MORE SENSITIVE TO PEOPLE. THE ONLY

THING I WAS WONDERING, WAS SIMPLY, IF ORTHOGNATHIC SURGERY WAS DONE

IN MALOCCLUSSIONS THAT CANNOT BE CORRECTED WITHOUT THIS, IN ORDER TO

MOST LIKELY AVOID THE POTENTIAL OF TMJ

[Guest guest]

> You're starting to sound like a broken record. Are you trying to

> gather information for a lawsuit or something? No doctor could

have

> predicted or prevented TMJ. Just deal with what you have and get

on

> with it. There are a lot worse things in life than TMJ and/or

> orthognathic surgery. Don't want to sound harsh but I've been

> responding to you for a month now. I've never received a reply

from

> you concerning my posts...just the same question over and over.

>

> Cheryl

CHERYL, DO YOU HAVE TMJ? IF NOT, THEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE

TO SUFFER WITH THIS HORRIFIC DISEASE? AND IF YOU EXPERIENCE THIS,

WHICH BASED ON YOUR STATEMENTS, I DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE, THEN YOU WOULD

KNOW THAT TMJ IS ONE OF THE WORST THINGS TO DEAL WITH. FURTHERMORE

MOST CARING DOCTORS WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING. WHATSMORE, IF I

WERE GEARING UP FOR A LAW SUIT, I WOULD NOT USE THE INFORMATION THAT

I OBTAIN HERE FOR THAT LAWSUIT. I WOULD ONLY USE INFORMATION BY

MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO TESTIFY. I WAS A

STUDENT GETTING READY TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL BEFORE MY TMJ AND I HAVE

DONE RESEARCH ON THIS, SO I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE INS AND OUTS OF

THIS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO HAVE YOUR EAR PLUG UP OVER

EVERY SINGLE SLIGHT HILL? I DOUBT IT. SO IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO

GET ON WITH MY LIFE! HOW OLD ARE YOU ANYWAY? I ALSO HAVE NOT

RECIEVED ANY OF YOUR REPLIES. I DON'T LOG INTO THIS SITE EVERYDAY AS

I ANM BUSY WITH MY NEW TMJ DOCTOR WHO IS TRYING TO CORRECT MY TMJ

PROBLEMS. PLEASE BE A LITTLE MORE SENSITIVE TO PEOPLE. THE ONLY

THING I WAS WONDERING, WAS SIMPLY, IF ORTHOGNATHIC SURGERY WAS DONE

IN MALOCCLUSSIONS THAT CANNOT BE CORRECTED WITHOUT THIS, IN ORDER TO

MOST LIKELY AVOID SURGERY.

[Guest guest]

I know what it feels like to have TMJ and it is not an easy thing to

live with. I have had it off and on for years. I didn't have hardly

any problem with TMJ for the last 5 years or so, but since I had my

surgery it has come back and I am really bummed. I didn't have to

take any medicine after the 1st week of surgery and now that the TMJ

is back, I have to take the motrin again. My doctor said we have to

wait and see what happens, but I am really scared to have to live

with TMJ again. It is a constant pain and there is little you can

do. One doctor told me a few years ago to do some jaw excersices and

it really helped. I had to move my jaw sideways. Another stretch was

to try to push my lower jaw forward. It really helped a lot, but of

course I can't do those stretches right now, because of the surgery.

I wish you well and just wanted to let you know there are people out

there that understand you and feel for you.

Good luck,

Sabine

> > You're starting to sound like a broken record. Are you trying to

> > gather information for a lawsuit or something? No doctor could

> have

> > predicted or prevented TMJ. Just deal with what you have and get

> on

> > with it. There are a lot worse things in life than TMJ and/or

> > orthognathic surgery. Don't want to sound harsh but I've been

> > responding to you for a month now. I've never received a reply

> from

> > you concerning my posts...just the same question over and over.

> >

> > Cheryl

>

> CHERYL, DO YOU HAVE TMJ? IF NOT, THEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS

LIKE

> TO SUFFER WITH THIS HORRIFIC DISEASE? AND IF YOU EXPERIENCE THIS,

> WHICH BASED ON YOUR STATEMENTS, I DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE, THEN YOU

WOULD

> KNOW THAT TMJ IS ONE OF THE WORST THINGS TO DEAL WITH. FURTHERMORE

> MOST CARING DOCTORS WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING. WHATSMORE, IF I

> WERE GEARING UP FOR A LAW SUIT, I WOULD NOT USE THE INFORMATION

THAT

> I OBTAIN HERE FOR THAT LAWSUIT. I WOULD ONLY USE INFORMATION BY

> MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO TESTIFY. I WAS A

> STUDENT GETTING READY TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL BEFORE MY TMJ AND I HAVE

> DONE RESEARCH ON THIS, SO I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE INS AND OUTS OF

> THIS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO HAVE YOUR EAR PLUG UP OVER

> EVERY SINGLE SLIGHT HILL? I DOUBT IT. SO IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO

> GET ON WITH MY LIFE! HOW OLD ARE YOU ANYWAY? I ALSO HAVE NOT

> RECIEVED ANY OF YOUR REPLIES. I DON'T LOG INTO THIS SITE EVERYDAY

AS

> I ANM BUSY WITH MY NEW TMJ DOCTOR WHO IS TRYING TO CORRECT MY TMJ

> PROBLEMS. PLEASE BE A LITTLE MORE SENSITIVE TO PEOPLE. THE ONLY

> THING I WAS WONDERING, WAS SIMPLY, IF ORTHOGNATHIC SURGERY WAS DONE

> IN MALOCCLUSSIONS THAT CANNOT BE CORRECTED WITHOUT THIS, IN ORDER

TO

> MOST LIKELY AVOID SURGERY.

[Guest guest]

nsbihari,

I have had chronic, unrelenting TMJ for the better part of 20 years.

I should have mentioned this in my previous post. I currently have a

completely open bite, with severe jaw pain and migrane headaches. I

have seen neurologists, pain specialists, dentists, orthodontists,

oral surgeons and psychiatrists. My diet is now almost completely

composed of liquids while I await surgery.

My frustration (as evidenced in my earlier post) is not meant to

belittle your pain. I may have not understood you clearly and if so,

I do apologize. Are you seeking to ease your pain through

orthodontia and possibly surgery? Or are you trying to place the

cause of your pain on your doctors?

I have replied to your posts on many occasions, both here and on

Fiddlestick's site, as have others. I can't tell you whether

your doctors acted correctly or not. I can't tell you the cause of

your TMJ. I can, and wish to, help you go forward from this point on

as far as getting some relief. I wish you well and hope that you

find what you're looking for.

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

If I'm not mistaken, Cheryl does indeed have it. I know i do, and i

have it with pain, which is far more troublesome than plugged up

ears. Although I do often have plugged up ears, as well.

Honey, posting in all caps (and managing to post it twice in a row!

although I suspect that was more a burp of the site than your intent)

doesn't help any. Matter of fact, it comes off as screaming.

I am sensitive to your pain, believe me. I have tried everything I

and my docs know to deal with the pain, with little success -- and

what my docs do tell me to use that works (heat) they tell me to use

no more than 15 minutes. So yess'm, i do know what tmj is. And I

don't doubt that you're troubled by it. So are a lot of others.

But the problem with it is that nobody really seems to know what

causes it. There are things that are suspected to make it worse; if i

remember right, going up and down hills has to do with it. I am

delighted to hear that you are in the care of a new doctor who can, I

fervently hope, help you.

But please, please. If you want to see if someone has answered you,

do an archive search. There is one here; try it out! Many of us have

spent a great deal of time plunging through past archives to try to

ferret out what we need to know. But you're bugging Cheryl, who has

troubles too, and you're bugging me, which makes me think that you

are also bugging others with your incessant repeating of this one

question. The answer is that nobody can guarantee you the answer you

probably seek. OK?

I don't own the site. I'm no more important here than you are, and I

don't make the rules. I have been here a while, and i haven't yet

ready anybody's post that guarantees that orthognathic surgery

guarantees prevention of tmj, and my doctors are most definitely of

the opinion that it does not.

They also do not guarantee that the tmj will become either better or

worse with the surgery, or with orthodontics. we just have to see

whether I get lucky or not. OK?

Now what part of that do you not understand?

You say you were planning to be a lawyer; surely you would not badger

a witness in this manner.

Best regards, anyhow.

Cammie

[Guest guest]

> THE ONLY

> THING I WAS WONDERING, WAS SIMPLY, IF ORTHOGNATHIC SURGERY WAS DONE

> IN MALOCCLUSSIONS THAT CANNOT BE CORRECTED WITHOUT THIS, IN ORDER

TO

> MOST LIKELY AVOID SURGERY.

>

> And you wonder why we're not getting this? What does this mean,

> anyway? Is orthognathic surgery done in malocclusions in order to

> avoid surgery? isn't orthognathic surgery a surgery?

this was typo hence two posts I changed the ending,

[Guest guest]

I understand your frustration... nobody seems to understand

exactly what you're asking, though... I ditto everything

that B. said: what do you mean by " if your Ortho

had prepared you? " Therein lies the answer. Please be more

specific, so that we can try and help you.

[Guest guest]

> nsbihari,

>

> I have had chronic, unrelenting TMJ for the better part of 20

years.

> I should have mentioned this in my previous post. I currently have

a

> completely open bite, with severe jaw pain and migrane headaches.

I

> have seen neurologists, pain specialists, dentists, orthodontists,

> oral surgeons and psychiatrists. My diet is now almost completely

> composed of liquids while I await surgery.

>

> My frustration (as evidenced in my earlier post) is not meant to

> belittle your pain. I may have not understood you clearly and if

so,

> I do apologize. Are you seeking to ease your pain through

> orthodontia and possibly surgery? Or are you trying to place the

> cause of your pain on your doctors?

>

> I have replied to your posts on many occasions, both here and on

> Fiddlestick's site, as have others. I can't tell you whether

> your doctors acted correctly or not. I can't tell you the cause of

> your TMJ. I can, and wish to, help you go forward from this point

on

> as far as getting some relief. I wish you well and hope that you

> find what you're looking for.

>

> Cheryl

Dear Cheryl

I don't log on very often but i can identify with the TMJ you suffer

from having an open bite. I too have an open bite, with only two

teeth touching at the back, so when i eat anything hard all the

pressure goes on my jaw joint which causes extreme headaches.

Thankfully i have only had this eight years which is long enough. I

only discovered that it was TMJ after getting several tests done for

Brain tumours etc. Many times i have thought i was going to crack up

and even thought of suicide (although i would never dream of this)

Thankfully, just recently i have been lucky enough to get my

treatment started. In the United Kingdom we have the National Health

Service which is fortunately free however there are long waiting

lists. I could not go private as all the Orthognathic surgeons in

the country where i live are affiliated with the (NHS)which was even

more frustrating. However I know how lucky I am to have skipped many

people on the waiting list due to my bite increasing to 8mm gap. I

hope that both of us gain much from our Treatment.

Take care

Annie