Check out http://www.evms.edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf

[Guest guest]

Hi everybody, I discovered this very valuable discourse by the author of "Prostate Cancer for Dummies". Dr. Lange and his friend and colleague write of their own experiences with prostate cancer and subsequent surgeries. It is lengthy but worth the time. They discuss not only surgery but the impact that a diagnosis of PCa had on them. Both surgeons state that the curative benefit of surgery over other treatments is unknown. They each wanted the pathological clarity that comes with surgery and Dr. Lange says that is the only reason to select surgery all other conditions being equal. They also both say that a large part of their decision was due to the crap they would have taken from their fellow urologists had they gone with anything but surgery. If you don't believe me read for yourselves. Dr. Lange is still cancer free some 8 years later, Dr. Schellhammer's cancer is back. Dr. Lange did Dr. Schellhammer's surgery. If you don't read the entire piece, at least read the last part titled Final Reflections and Conclusions. These are right on target and enlightening.

Laurel

http://www.evms.edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf See what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

This is a piece by two urologists who

wrote it with other doctors in mind. They wanted doctors to realize a little

better that the situation my look a little different to the patient than it

does to the doctor. Dr Schellhammer has worked with VPCC and is the current

president of the American Urological Association. I strongly recommend that

everyone reads this piece. We have it on the VPCC website also. I have

distributed over 100 paper copies to interested individuals.

Kathy

From: ProstateCancerSupport

[mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of LaurelFace@...

Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:12

PM

To:

ProstateCancerSupport

Subject:

Check out http://www.evms.edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf

Hi everybody, I discovered this very

valuable discourse by the author of " Prostate Cancer for Dummies " .

Dr. Lange and his friend and colleague write of their own experiences with

prostate cancer and subsequent surgeries. It is lengthy but worth the time.

They discuss not only surgery but the impact that a diagnosis of PCa had on

them. Both surgeons state that the curative benefit of surgery over other

treatments is unknown. They each wanted the pathological clarity that comes

with surgery and Dr. Lange says that is the only reason to select surgery all

other conditions being equal. They also both say that a large part of their

decision was due to the crap they would have taken from their fellow urologists

had they gone with anything but surgery. If you don't believe me read for

yourselves. Dr. Lange is still cancer free some 8 years later, Dr. Schellhammer's

cancer is back. Dr. Lange did Dr. Schellhammer's surgery. If you don't

read the entire piece, at least read the last part titled Final

Reflections and Conclusions. These are right on target and enlightening.

Laurel

http://www.evms.edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf

See what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy...I just read this piece...It gave me insight to alot of things I have always had questions about but was afraid to ask.>> This is a piece by two urologists who wrote it with other doctors in mind.> They wanted doctors to realize a little better that the situation my look a> little different to the patient than it does to the doctor. Dr Schellhammer> has worked with VPCC and is the current president of the American Urological> Association. I strongly recommend that everyone reads this piece. We have it> on the VPCC website also. I have distributed over 100 paper copies to> interested individuals.> > > > Kathy> > > > _____ > > From: ProstateCancerSupport > [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of> LaurelFace@...> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:12 PM> To: ProstateCancerSupport > Subject: Check out> http://www.evms.edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf> > > > Hi everybody, I discovered this very valuable discourse by the author of> "Prostate Cancer for Dummies". Dr. Lange and his friend and colleague> write of their own experiences with prostate cancer and subsequent> surgeries. It is lengthy but worth the time. They discuss not only surgery> but the impact that a diagnosis of PCa had on them. Both surgeons state that> the curative benefit of surgery over other treatments is unknown. They each> wanted the pathological clarity that comes with surgery and Dr. Lange says> that is the only reason to select surgery all other conditions being equal.> They also both say that a large part of their decision was due to the crap> they would have taken from their fellow urologists had they gone with> anything but surgery. If you don't believe me read for yourselves. Dr. Lange> is still cancer free some 8 years later, Dr. Schellhammer's cancer is back.> Dr. Lange did Dr. Schellhammer's surgery. If you don't read the entire> piece, at least read the last part titled Final Reflections and Conclusions.> These are right on target and enlightening.> > > > Laurel> > http://www.evms.> <http://www.evms.edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf>> edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf > > > > > > _____ > > See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .>

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

One thing to remember is that the doctor

is there to answer your questions. You hire him. There is no such thing as a

bad question or one that you shouldn’t ask. Everyone should be an

empowered patient and an active part of the treatment team.

I went with Bill to his appointments and I

was the one who usually asked the questions. Bill was relieved to have me take

that role.

I am glad that this article helped you. I

will let Dr Schellhammer know.

Kathy

From:

ProstateCancerSupport

[mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Debbie

Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 12:21

AM

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Subject:

Re: Check out http://www.evms.edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf

Hi Kathy...I just read this piece...It

gave me insight to alot of things I have always had questions about but was

afraid to ask.

[Guest guest]

>

> This is a piece by two urologists who wrote it with other doctors

in mind.

> They wanted doctors to realize a little better that the situation

my look a

> little different to the patient than it does to the doctor. Dr

Schellhammer

> has worked with VPCC and is the current president of the American

Urological

> Association. I strongly recommend that everyone reads this piece.

We have it

> on the VPCC website also. I have distributed over 100 paper copies

to

> interested individuals.

>

>

>

> Kathy

Kathy, The first line of this article says " We wrote this article to

transmit to urolgists and patients with prostate cancer certain

subjective events surrounding the diagnosis and treatments of this

cancer " . Clearly they wrote it for doctors and patients. I feel that

this is the most honest paper written regarding treatment options and

quality of life issues I have read to date. A must read for all.

Laurel

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: ProstateCancerSupport

> [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of

> LaurelFace@...

> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:12 PM

> To: ProstateCancerSupport

> Subject: Check out

> http://www.evms.edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf

>

>

>

> Hi everybody, I discovered this very valuable discourse by the

author of

> " Prostate Cancer for Dummies " . Dr. Lange and his friend and

colleague

> write of their own experiences with prostate cancer and subsequent

> surgeries. It is lengthy but worth the time. They discuss not only

surgery

> but the impact that a diagnosis of PCa had on them. Both surgeons

state that

> the curative benefit of surgery over other treatments is unknown.

They each

> wanted the pathological clarity that comes with surgery and Dr.

Lange says

> that is the only reason to select surgery all other conditions

being equal.

> They also both say that a large part of their decision was due to

the crap

> they would have taken from their fellow urologists had they gone

with

> anything but surgery. If you don't believe me read for yourselves.

Dr. Lange

> is still cancer free some 8 years later, Dr. Schellhammer's cancer

is back.

> Dr. Lange did Dr. Schellhammer's surgery. If you don't read the

entire

> piece, at least read the last part titled Final Reflections and

Conclusions.

> These are right on target and enlightening.

>

>

>

> Laurel

>

> http://www.evms.

> <http://www.evms.edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf>

> edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?

ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .

>

[Guest guest]

Comment on the article referenced by Laurel:

I will start by asking a question: " Do you think that this article

would have ever been written if these two gentlemen had not

experienced prostate cancer? "

I think not, and it reinforces the ongoing theme expressed in this

forum that we must take charge of our own medical issues, and decide

what is best for us as individuals. To do this it may be necessary to

" stand up " to the MANY arrogant men in white coats that think that

they are all-knowing, and if they will not work with us in deciding

the right course of action, and will not answer questions, LEAVE that

practice, and find one who will.

They exist, believe me. The doctor (referenced in another post) who

sent the local biopsy results off to Hopkins for a second opinion ON

HIS OWN is probably one such. My own first urologist (the one I

" fired " ) would not even help me to do it; I had to find out how myself.

Fuller

> >

> > This is a piece by two urologists who wrote it with other doctors

> in mind.

> > They wanted doctors to realize a little better that the situation

> my look a

> > little different to the patient than it does to the doctor. Dr

> Schellhammer

> > has worked with VPCC and is the current president of the American

> Urological

> > Association. I strongly recommend that everyone reads this piece.

> We have it

> > on the VPCC website also. I have distributed over 100 paper copies

> to

> > interested individuals.

> >

> >

> >

> > Kathy

>

> Kathy, The first line of this article says " We wrote this article to

> transmit to urolgists and patients with prostate cancer certain

> subjective events surrounding the diagnosis and treatments of this

> cancer " . Clearly they wrote it for doctors and patients. I feel that

> this is the most honest paper written regarding treatment options and

> quality of life issues I have read to date. A must read for all.

>

> Laurel

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: ProstateCancerSupport

> > [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of

> > LaurelFace@

> > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:12 PM

> > To: ProstateCancerSupport

> > Subject: Check out

> > http://www.evms.edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi everybody, I discovered this very valuable discourse by the

> author of

> > " Prostate Cancer for Dummies " . Dr. Lange and his friend and

> colleague

> > write of their own experiences with prostate cancer and subsequent

> > surgeries. It is lengthy but worth the time. They discuss not only

> surgery

> > but the impact that a diagnosis of PCa had on them. Both surgeons

> state that

> > the curative benefit of surgery over other treatments is unknown.

> They each

> > wanted the pathological clarity that comes with surgery and Dr.

> Lange says

> > that is the only reason to select surgery all other conditions

> being equal.

> > They also both say that a large part of their decision was due to

> the crap

> > they would have taken from their fellow urologists had they gone

> with

> > anything but surgery. If you don't believe me read for yourselves.

> Dr. Lange

> > is still cancer free some 8 years later, Dr. Schellhammer's cancer

> is back.

> > Dr. Lange did Dr. Schellhammer's surgery. If you don't read the

> entire

> > piece, at least read the last part titled Final Reflections and

> Conclusions.

> > These are right on target and enlightening.

> >

> >

> >

> > Laurel

> >

> > http://www.evms.

> > <http://www.evms.edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf>

> > edu/vpc/docs/prostate-cancer-perspective.pdf

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?

> ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi everybody, I discovered this very valuable discourse by the author

of

> " Prostate Cancer for Dummies " . Dr. Lange and his friend and

colleague write

> of their own experiences with prostate cancer and subsequent

surgeries. It is

> lengthy but worth the time.

OUTSTANDING! Thanks for posting this. Irrespective of one's leanings

or opinions on the 'best' treatment for prostate cancer, this is MUST

reading. The authors (urologists/surgeons) are to be commended for

their candid discussions of their personal experiences in dealing with

their own prostate cancers.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi everybody, I discovered this very valuable discourse by the

author

> of

> > " Prostate Cancer for Dummies " . Dr. Lange and his friend and

> colleague write

> > of their own experiences with prostate cancer and subsequent

> surgeries. It is

> > lengthy but worth the time.

>

> OUTSTANDING! Thanks for posting this. Irrespective of one's

leanings

> or opinions on the 'best' treatment for prostate cancer, this is

MUST

> reading. The authors (urologists/surgeons) are to be commended for

> their candid discussions of their personal experiences in dealing

with

> their own prostate cancers.

>

You are welcome! Candid is the word I was searching for and the 2

doctors certainly were.

Laurel