IQ

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In a message dated 12/15/1999 3:24:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,

lavhome@... writes:

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Can any of you tell me what would be considered in the " normal " range for

an IQ? And what would be considered a range for being mentally retarded?

Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. >>

I believe 90-110 is considered the normal range Anything below that is

considered mentally retarded in various degrees

Terry

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In a message dated 12/15/1999 9:12:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

semesky@... writes:

<< IQ tests that rely on a verbal component are considered invalid for

children with hearing loss. >>

When Jake had his psychological eval, the psychologist administered a test to

him that didn't require any talking. It worked very well for him at 5 years

old.....don't know about younger ones. Can't think of the name...I'll have

to look it up and post later. Seems like it was something about revised

Lietner something scale............

Elaine B.

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IQ tests that rely on a verbal component are considered invalid for children

with hearing loss. You can use them to determine a minimum IQ threshhold but

not a maximum.

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I believe there are some variations. 80-120 is considered average IQ, but

some counties do not consider mental retardation until a score of 70 is

obtained. Some schools consider 80 the break off point where mild mental

retardation starts. 80-90 is definitely not considered mental retardation.

IQ tests may or may not be a valid way to assess a child's ability to learn so

I would suggest ***caution***. Especially where language may have a serious

delay due to deafness or to language processing or language disorder.

Keedy

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How lucky you must feel to bring this little girl into your family! As the

parent of two (post-institutionalized) children I would definitely agree --

a residential school is seldom the right placement for children with

unstable family history.

From my experience, I would see any evaluations by the school for the deaf

as one small (very small) piece of the puzzle. These kids often have unique

challenges that run far deeper and wider than simply being deaf or hoh -- or

language delays.

I would start with a really good developmental pediatrician (one with

specific experience with PI kids or children from foster care). In the

meantime, schedule a complete psychological evaluation, OT, PT and SLP --

don't forget audiology too.

Since this precious little one is joining your family through adoption, cost

of evaluations and treatment should be covered by your state.

From my experience as the parent of a hoh child who is PI, hearing loss is a

minor issue compared to the other challenges she will likely face.

Diagnosing and treating these challenges generally needs to happen before

you will see great progress related to her hearing loss (ie, communication,

attending, signing, listening skills, speech, etc).

I hope this is helpful in some way. Please write if you need more specific

information.

Dana

rodgers@...

Re: Re: IQ

>

>

> Our AEA wants to do some evaluations/intelligence testing on the child we

> are adopting. They want her to have these evaluations done at a school

for

> the deaf because they have the " experts " there who work with the deaf.

> Supposedly the results are not colored to recommend a school for the deaf.

> (I have nothing against a school for the deaf. It would be a residential

> school and we do not want her away from our family.) Anyway, I would like

> to know from the " real experts " here on this list what evals/tests I

should

> ask for. They (School for the Deaf) will tell me what evaluations they

are

> going to do, but I want to know if they are tests that you people would

> recommend. A little background on the child:

>

> 1) 9 yo (just turned nine today)

> 2) currently in foster care

> 3) parental termination due to neglect/abuse

> 4) African American

> 5) history of many care takers and no roots anywhere

> 6) pretty much no schooling except maybe 9 months in school for deaf in

> another state and currently 3 months in a spec ed classroom while

> she is in foster care

> 7) from what we can tell pretty language delayed but we think that is due

> to not being around signers. Mom didn't sign or any other family

> member. family learning sign.

>

> I know this is pretty sketchy history, but this is the child that scored a

> 91 IQ a couple of years ago at another state's school for the deaf.

>

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As the parent of a HOH daughter who came home (from another country) at age

9, my concern is the validity of any testing now while this dear child is

having so many changes. Given that testing of a child with hearing loss,

trauma, and other disabilities is a bit dicey as most testing was not

designed for such children, how accurate will the testing be? Would it be

possible to postpone it, and do more functional and informal evaluations for

now? Could they agree with you that this child has both more potential and

ability than is obvious (with or without testing) and that the impact of any

disabilities and life experiences will be more far-reaching than you can

imagine?

On the other hand, you might want testing now, so you have a baseline to show

improvement etc. My other concern is -- could your child get pigeonholed as

having an IQ or a disability that is not there, based on non-normed testing,

testing during a difficult time, etc.

Best to you!

Grace

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The Comprehensive Test of Nonverbal Intelligence (C-TONI) is an IQ test that

does not require listening/talking.

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Hi..regarding this test. Is it something known by those who do the

testing..or new and not widly used? E.