Re: Dr. Amy Holmes on Mercury Chelation for Autism

[Guest guest]

Sharon, I've been reading just about every posts in

this group for the last eight months or so and I

occasionaly see something about Dr. Holmes and they

are

usually nice things. I don't see her being slammed

constantly. There are very few things that she does

that few people don't agree with. You obviously take

offense when anything negative is mention and I guess

that is why you feel the need to defend her. No one is

questioning her humanity, all that is being questioned

(if at all) are a few of her opinions. It is

absolutely necessary that anything anyone does to

treat our kids goes through rigorous discussions so

that it will pass the necessary tests to show it's

effectiveness in treating our kids. I am sure she has

no problem with this and would probably welcome it.

When we stop questioning we lose valuable

opportunities to learn more. So please don't take

offense when something you don't agree with is being

said, just look at it as an opportunity to show that

she knows what she is doing and will pass the

scrutiny. Dr. Holmes knows that she is not perfect and

she too can mistake just like any of us. She is

tweaking because she is going through a learning

process just like all of us. Vicky

--- Sharon <showell48@...> wrote:

> Dear Moria and all,

> I agree with Ann 100% and have very little I can add

> to her

> articulate post except to say that Dr. Holmes feels

> my children

> are getting a pretty steady bloodstream of DMSA on

> the 8 hour

> protocol so she HAS NOT changed her mind that some

> kids can

> and will do ok on every 8 hour. She also believes

> many can and

> do better on every 4 hour. She works with each

> parent/child and

> that decision. I see no need to rehash this point

> over and over

> and over again!!!!!!!!!!!

> I see Moria in your followup you never intended this

> for the list so

> in fairness you probably didn't want to rehash this

> point again.

> But, Ann also makes some very valid points about the

> way Dr.

> Amy is treated on this list. As I always have

> said....feel free to

> discuss the pro's and con's of all protocol's -

> that is valid

> discusson - but this constant slamming of Dr. Amy is

> not valid

> considering that she is in the trenches with these

> kids and one

> of the few doctor's out there willing to help our

> children. Autism

> is very complicated and she is putting the time and

> effort into

> searching for answers and tweaking her protocol as

> she learns

> more from HER PATIENTS!!!

> Sharon

> Baton Rouge

>

>

> > > Hey Andy,

> > >

> > > Just a little personal note here--- since I'm

> editing the FAQ,

> > > I actually have to read parts of it

> occassionally and I

> > > noticed there is a quote from Amy where she

> implies that

> > > steady blood level is definatly needed. Here is

> the quote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dr. Amy Holmes: " Cilantro. Untested. A few

> reports that it MAY

> > cross the

> > > blood-brain barrier and chelate mercury, but

> > > no data. Please bear in mind that no one knows

> what the

> ingredient

> > in

> > > cilantro is that MAY do this. Is every cilantro

> equal?

> > > Who knows? I don't see how one could possibly be

> even

> somewhat sure

> > that

> > > you are keeping a relatively steady blood

> > > level of THE INGREDIENT when we don't know what

> THE

> INGREDIENT is

> > or if all

> > > cilantro has the same amount of it.

> > > And if anything in mercury chelation is more

> important, I can't

> > think of it. "

> > >

> > > You could quote her on this or refer to the

> quote (in the FAQ)

> if

> > you

> > > wanted to point to the inconsistency.. Please

> don't say I said

> so,

> > > however, I really don't have any animosity for

> Dr Amy of any

> sort.

> > >

> > > I just thought this was interesting in light of

> the things you

> > > have said about her changing her policies.

> > >

> > > And, it sounds like she is coming back around to

> 4 hrs now.

> > >

> > > Moria

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Vicky,

I'm not going to take out of my life to repost things that were said

about her or DAN docs in general but, I have reasons for my

statements and I'll just leave it at that.

I know Amy pretty well as I live in Baton Rouge so I agree with

your point that she has no problems with discussions on the

issues and indeed what makes her special is that she does not

think she knows everything and nor does she think she is God.

That's all I'm going to ever post again on this topic. I grow very

weary of anyone thinking they know everything. Discuss

protocols - pros and con's all you want to.....again purpose of the

list........I AM not saying people are not allowed to disagree with

Amy on this list. Again like I said I " m not going to search

archives to repost these things.....no time for that but, I've been

on this list a very long time and I am aware of many posts where

she was slammed (not by Andy but, some others).

That's it.....that's all folks.......don't expect me to answer to

this

thread again.

Sharon

> > > > Hey Andy,

> > > >

> > > > Just a little personal note here--- since I'm

> > editing the FAQ,

> > > > I actually have to read parts of it

> > occassionally and I

> > > > noticed there is a quote from Amy where she

> > implies that

> > > > steady blood level is definatly needed. Here is

> > the quote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Amy Holmes: " Cilantro. Untested. A few

> > reports that it MAY

> > > cross the

> > > > blood-brain barrier and chelate mercury, but

> > > > no data. Please bear in mind that no one knows

> > what the

> > ingredient

> > > in

> > > > cilantro is that MAY do this. Is every cilantro

> > equal?

> > > > Who knows? I don't see how one could possibly be

> > even

> > somewhat sure

> > > that

> > > > you are keeping a relatively steady blood

> > > > level of THE INGREDIENT when we don't know what

> > THE

> > INGREDIENT is

> > > or if all

> > > > cilantro has the same amount of it.

> > > > And if anything in mercury chelation is more

> > important, I can't

> > > think of it. "

> > > >

> > > > You could quote her on this or refer to the

> > quote (in the FAQ)

> > if

> > > you

> > > > wanted to point to the inconsistency.. Please

> > don't say I said

> > so,

> > > > however, I really don't have any animosity for

> > Dr Amy of any

> > sort.

> > > >

> > > > I just thought this was interesting in light of

> > the things you

> > > > have said about her changing her policies.

> > > >

> > > > And, it sounds like she is coming back around to

> > 4 hrs now.

> > > >

> > > > Moria

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

In what was intended as a private transmission to me rather than a

list post, Moria said:

> ... I really don't have any animosity for Dr Amy of any sort.

>

> I just thought this was interesting in light of the things you

> have said about her changing her policies.

>

> And, it sounds like she is coming back around to 4 hrs now.

>

> Moria

By the nature of listservers, people do occasionally end up

accidentally posting something publicly that was intended to be

private.

Hopefully everyone understands this and considers overlooking it one

of the modern social graces.

Since internet etiquette is still evolving, I will comment on the

above.

I consider what she is saying to be one of the highest possible

compliments that could be given to Dr. Amy Holmes. She practices

scientific medicine, instead of the witch doctor rituals QuackWatch

and the AMA want everyone to follow.

" SCIENTIFIC " means based on observation and experiment, with theories

changed or discarded as new observations are made. Practicing

scientifically, as Dr. Amy clearly is, takes an unusual combination of

intelligence and humility.

While I am often critical of MD's for randomly changing protocols

without regard for pharmacokinetics, everyone must make their own

decision based on their own experiences and observations. Dr. Amy

didn't personally have the background to find chelation

pharmacokinetics in the literature (few do), she was given

authoritative if mistaken advice about it, and yet she is observant

and responsive enough to what happens with her patients to change her

protocol appropriately. This is especially positive given how much MD

training and culture is directed towards keeping doc's from doing just

this.

In an emotional sense, I personally can't comprehend how anyone would

take that as critical of Dr. Amy, but I suspect such will be the

subject of much list debate over the next few days. I hope I am

mistaken abou