Re: Survivor: Inhaled Pain Medicine?

[Guest guest]

Relative to analgesia of all kinds:

Can anybody tell me why the FDA does not permit methoxyflurane to be sold

here?

Can anybody tell me why we can't use marijuana here for medicinal purposes

when there is legitimate scientific research to support it? Can anybody tell

me why doctors in the US are so afraid of the DEA that they won't prescribe

adequate analgesia for terminal cancer patients because they're afraid the

patients will become addicts (for the last three months of their lives) and

they'll be investigated for drug trafficking?

Can anybody tell me why the medical profession in the US has allowed

congressmen and law enforcement people without medical education to tell them

what they can prescribe and what they cannot?

Can anybody tell me why we allow ETOH to be our drug of choice for the

masses, when we know it accounts for hundreds of times more deaths, property

damages, and criminal acts than heroin? Or why we legitimize tobacco which

affects millions of people?

Can anybody tell me how many homicides per year in the US have been proven to

be related to pure THC intoxication as opposed to ETOH intox? Can anybody

relate the number of meth-related homicides to marijuana-related homicides

(and I'm not referring to dope dealer killings).

Can anybody tell me a rationale for our approach to drugs in the US of

America?

GG

E. Gandy, JD, LP

EMS Professions Program

Tyler Junior College

Tyler, TX

[Guest guest]

How about an Ambien?

LOL

GG.

E. Gandy, JD, LP

EMS Professions Program

Tyler Junior College

Tyler, TX

[Guest guest]

it wasn't smoking... and despite being a green fattie, it's not *that* green

fattie...

Mike

Re: Survivor: Inhaled Pain Medicine?

Is marijuana legal in Australia?

[Guest guest]

Gene....take a Valium.

Re: Survivor: Inhaled Pain Medicine?

> Relative to analgesia of all kinds:

>

> Can anybody tell me why the FDA does not permit methoxyflurane to be sold

> here?

> Can anybody tell me why we can't use marijuana here for medicinal purposes

> when there is legitimate scientific research to support it? Can anybody

tell

> me why doctors in the US are so afraid of the DEA that they won't

prescribe

> adequate analgesia for terminal cancer patients because they're afraid the

> patients will become addicts (for the last three months of their lives)

and

> they'll be investigated for drug trafficking?

>

> Can anybody tell me why the medical profession in the US has allowed

> congressmen and law enforcement people without medical education to tell

them

> what they can prescribe and what they cannot?

>

> Can anybody tell me why we allow ETOH to be our drug of choice for the

> masses, when we know it accounts for hundreds of times more deaths,

property

> damages, and criminal acts than heroin? Or why we legitimize tobacco

which

> affects millions of people?

>

> Can anybody tell me how many homicides per year in the US have been proven

to

> be related to pure THC intoxication as opposed to ETOH intox? Can anybody

> relate the number of meth-related homicides to marijuana-related homicides

> (and I'm not referring to dope dealer killings).

>

> Can anybody tell me a rationale for our approach to drugs in the US of

> America?

>

> GG

>

> E. Gandy, JD, LP

> EMS Professions Program

> Tyler Junior College

> Tyler, TX

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Since you can't smoke in the ambulance and most hospitals, that pretty much

rules out medical marijuana... that and most medics have enough trouble with

mcg/kg/min - ounces, pounds, dimes and quarters would be tough to figure out.

Mike

PS - Gene makes good points, but I'm not informed enough to give them serious

answers... sadly enough.

Re: Survivor: Inhaled Pain Medicine?

Relative to analgesia of all kinds:

Can anybody tell me why the FDA does not permit methoxyflurane to be sold

here?

Can anybody tell me why we can't use marijuana here for medicinal purposes

when there is legitimate scientific research to support it? Can anybody tell

me why doctors in the US are so afraid of the DEA that they won't prescribe

adequate analgesia for terminal cancer patients because they're afraid the

patients will become addicts (for the last three months of their lives) and

they'll be investigated for drug trafficking?

Can anybody tell me why the medical profession in the US has allowed

congressmen and law enforcement people without medical education to tell them

what they can prescribe and what they cannot?

Can anybody tell me why we allow ETOH to be our drug of choice for the

masses, when we know it accounts for hundreds of times more deaths, property

damages, and criminal acts than heroin? Or why we legitimize tobacco which

affects millions of people?

Can anybody tell me how many homicides per year in the US have been proven to

be related to pure THC intoxication as opposed to ETOH intox? Can anybody

relate the number of meth-related homicides to marijuana-related homicides

(and I'm not referring to dope dealer killings).

Can anybody tell me a rationale for our approach to drugs in the US of

America?

GG

E. Gandy, JD, LP

EMS Professions Program

Tyler Junior College

Tyler, TX

[Guest guest]

Guess we need to resume the aerial spraying of Prozac over

Tyler..again... ;-)

" Leadership is action, not position "

Larry RN CFRN NREMTP

....and some other stuff

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/2/01 12:22:29 AM Central Standard Time, wegandy@...

writes:

> How about an Ambien?

>

>

Try BOTH

[Guest guest]

From another list.

Methoxyflurane: was...RE: survivor medic question

> For those thinking this would be cool here in the US...well...think

again.

>

> 1) According to information from the University of Iowa (veterinary

> department), this medication is no longer produced in the us. It can be

> shipped from Australia, but at a high price.

>

> 2) Per a Yale veterinary web site: " Methoxyflurane, the first in a

series of

> methyl-ethyl ethers was introduced in 1960. It did not enhance

myocardial

> sensitivity to the arrhythmogenic effects of catecholamines nearly as

much

> as halothane. It also appeared to provide more muscle relaxation than

did

> halothane. An interesting property of methoxyflurane is that at

> subanesthetic concentrations it induces analgesia. Methoxyflurane is

> extremely soluble in blood and tissues resulting in slow induction and

> prolonged recovery. In addition, it undergoes extensive hepatic

metabolism

> resulting in plasma fluoride concentrations sufficient to induce severe

> nephrotoxicity in some human patients. As a result, methoxyflurane lost

its

> place in human medicine. Nevertheless, it is still used as an inhaled

> analgesic by emergency medics in Australia. "

>

> 3) Per the " AVMA Euthanasia Report " : " ...methoxyflurane...have been

used to

> euthanize many species. "

>

> 4) Here's the MSDS for the stuff:

> http://www.mathesontrigas.com/msds/Methoxyflurane.htm

>

> Didn't see the episode, but it sounded cool...right up until I found

that

> outside of Australia's EMS, methoxyflurane has largely fallen to the

role of

> putting down research animals. Then again, maybe the burned guy was

getting

> the ultimate " vote off the island " ;-).

>

> Bob Ball, wondering how many other medications can claim to be used to

> " euthanize many species " .

> Minneapolis

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[Guest guest]

If anyone could explain these obvious indicators of societal

wrong-headedness, some government black-ops type would feel it necessary to

silence them to prevent the whole fabric of our nation from coming unwound.

However, the one-word answer to all your questions might be....stupidity.

Dave

Re: Survivor: Inhaled Pain Medicine?

> Relative to analgesia of all kinds:

>

> Can anybody tell me why the FDA does not permit methoxyflurane to be sold

> here?

> Can anybody tell me why we can't use marijuana here for medicinal purposes

> when there is legitimate scientific research to support it? Can anybody

tell

> me why doctors in the US are so afraid of the DEA that they won't

prescribe

> adequate analgesia for terminal cancer patients because they're afraid the

> patients will become addicts (for the last three months of their lives)

and

> they'll be investigated for drug trafficking?

>

> Can anybody tell me why the medical profession in the US has allowed

> congressmen and law enforcement people without medical education to tell

them

> what they can prescribe and what they cannot?

>

> Can anybody tell me why we allow ETOH to be our drug of choice for the

> masses, when we know it accounts for hundreds of times more deaths,

property

> damages, and criminal acts than heroin? Or why we legitimize tobacco

which

> affects millions of people?

>

> Can anybody tell me how many homicides per year in the US have been proven

to

> be related to pure THC intoxication as opposed to ETOH intox? Can anybody

> relate the number of meth-related homicides to marijuana-related homicides

> (and I'm not referring to dope dealer killings).

>

> Can anybody tell me a rationale for our approach to drugs in the US of

> America?

>

> GG

>

> E. Gandy, JD, LP

> EMS Professions Program

> Tyler Junior College

> Tyler, TX

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mike,

Tell me! I had a very experienced medic bring in a pt who had been

snorting coke. Told the medic he'd done an 8 ball in about 24 hours. The

medic tells the doc that an 8ball is 1/8 of a gram! Wow, *not*! An 8 ball

is 1/8 of an ounce. A little difference there!

Take care and go safely!

Jana

Re: Survivor: Inhaled Pain Medicine?

>

>

> Relative to analgesia of all kinds:

>

> Can anybody tell me why the FDA does not permit methoxyflurane to be

sold

> here?

> Can anybody tell me why we can't use marijuana here for medicinal

purposes

> when there is legitimate scientific research to support it? Can anybody

tell

> me why doctors in the US are so afraid of the DEA that they won't

prescribe

> adequate analgesia for terminal cancer patients because they're afraid

the

> patients will become addicts (for the last three months of their lives)

and

> they'll be investigated for drug trafficking?

>

> Can anybody tell me why the medical profession in the US has allowed

> congressmen and law enforcement people without medical education to tell

them

> what they can prescribe and what they cannot?

>

> Can anybody tell me why we allow ETOH to be our drug of choice for the

> masses, when we know it accounts for hundreds of times more deaths,

property

> damages, and criminal acts than heroin? Or why we legitimize tobacco

which

> affects millions of people?

>

> Can anybody tell me how many homicides per year in the US have been

proven to

> be related to pure THC intoxication as opposed to ETOH intox? Can

anybody

> relate the number of meth-related homicides to marijuana-related

homicides

> (and I'm not referring to dope dealer killings).

>

> Can anybody tell me a rationale for our approach to drugs in the US of

> America?

>

> GG

>

> E. Gandy, JD, LP

> EMS Professions Program

> Tyler Junior College

> Tyler, TX

>

>

>