Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 they shouldn't be worried, unless they are doing something they shouldn't; however, there are some drugs that will make you test positive, so you should always fully disclose medications being taken before the test is done. > drug test info > > I have a question about something that came up in a > sitting-around-the-station discussion recently. One of our members had > been > told that marijuana cannot be decteted in urine if you drink a bottle of > apple juice with a package of Certo mixed in it, and then drink a bottle > of > water, within a couple of hours before the urine sample is taken. Has > anyone heard of this? > > Before the rumors start, this is not about anyone in our department-----we > do not have someone in our department who is worried about failing a piss > test!!!!!!!! Just general discussion and wondering about the truth to > this. > > Maxine > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 I know there are supposedly ways to " foul " a test, but not positive what they all are. I have heard the same idea she proposed before, however, I am not sure it completely masks the presence of Marijuana. The test alot of agencies are performing now is the hair test, which offers a few things: completely infoulable, and they can go back quite a long time period and tell what prior drug use has been. They usually go back 3 months, but can go back up to several years if the hair is long enough. The drug becomes a permanent part of the hair strand, and cannot be washed away, covered up, or stripped away, etc. Blum, EMT-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 But you know, there are valid reasons for failing a standard urine analysis. In these cases, extended analysis including blood tests may be required to isolate certain substances. In some cases, hair follicle tests may be the only way to accurately determine use. For instance, I recently travelled overseas and had a stay in Paris, France. While there, I came down with a rather severe allergy attack and my throat was *raw*, and I was on business to train folks so I needed to speak for hours on end. I went to a pharmacy, spoke with the pharmacist, and was given some lozenges with Tetracaine in them. Needless to say, they worked *well* but would have required a prescription in the US. Upon my return I was required to take a urine test for a new employer, and had to disclose the lozenges that I'd taken because they can show up as cocaine use in a standard urinalysis. Of course a blood test would show that it wasn't cocaine, but the only real method of determining long-term use is a hair test. And of course I couldn't legaly bring the remainder of the lozenges back into the US, either, so I couldn't just whip out the box to show anyone the contents (and, it was in french). There are many stores and web sites that sell " purifiers " and substances that alter blood and urine chemistry. Of course, none of them guarantee anything, and none are anything more than glorified herbals. But some people swear by them, and most will freely discuss this with you. Just visit your local head shop (oh, you're in a rural setting? <g>) and talk with the folks behind the counter. Make it clear you're not a cop (and if you are a cop, make it clear you're just here for educational purposes, or whatever works best for you) and talk it up. You'll be suprised what you can learn about street drugs, cleansers, and the local " rave " and " party drug " scene. Often, you can get first-hand experience. BTW, did you know that MDMA (Ecstasy) will not show up on standard tox screens? Mike > >Reply-To: >To: < > >Subject: drug test info >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:32:54 -0600 > >I have a question about something that came up in a >sitting-around-the-station discussion recently. One of our members had >been >told that marijuana cannot be decteted in urine if you drink a bottle of >apple juice with a package of Certo mixed in it, and then drink a bottle of >water, within a couple of hours before the urine sample is taken. Has >anyone heard of this? > >Before the rumors start, this is not about anyone in our department-----we >do not have someone in our department who is worried about failing a piss >test!!!!!!!! Just general discussion and wondering about the truth to >this. > >Maxine > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 I'm sorry but I couldn't keep quiet. Having been a police officer for 23 years and a licensed polygraph examiner for the majority of that time, I always had people ask me as to how they could " beat " a polygraph examination. My response was that if you weren't going to lie, you had nothing to worry about. Regarding " beating " a drug test: yes, is possible to have false positives. However, in my opinion, the only people who would want to " beat " the drug tests are those who have a problem with drugs. Why else would they need to beat it? , BS, LP Instructor EMS Professions Program Tyler Junior College Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 Maxine, If you'd stay away from those parties where people are treating their glaucoma en masse you wouldn't have to worry about the test..... :-) --- hire-Pattison EMS wrote: > I have a question about something that came up in a > sitting-around-the-station discussion recently. One > of our members had been > told that marijuana cannot be decteted in urine if > you drink a bottle of > apple juice with a package of Certo mixed in it, and > then drink a bottle of > water, within a couple of hours before the urine > sample is taken. Has > anyone heard of this? > > Before the rumors start, this is not about anyone in > our department-----we > do not have someone in our department who is worried > about failing a piss > test!!!!!!!! Just general discussion and wondering > about the truth to this. > > Maxine > > ===== " Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by it's example. " - brandeis __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 Maxine, To the best of my knowledge there is NO way to make a test come back negative if it should be positive from smoking pot. It stays in your system 30-45 days. The only thing that can make it negative is time. I know a guy who tried drinking charcoal water- still came back positive. Jay Hoskins Police Officer EMT EMS Instructor jhoskins@... --- hire-Pattison EMS wrote: > I have a question about something that came up in a > sitting-around-the-station discussion recently. One > of our members had been > told that marijuana cannot be decteted in urine if > you drink a bottle of > apple juice with a package of Certo mixed in it, and > then drink a bottle of > water, within a couple of hours before the urine > sample is taken. Has > anyone heard of this? > > Before the rumors start, this is not about anyone in > our department-----we > do not have someone in our department who is worried > about failing a piss > test!!!!!!!! Just general discussion and wondering > about the truth to this. > > Maxine > > ===== " Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by it's example. " - brandeis __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 In mass??? Why on earth would people treat their glaucoma in church??? Or did I misread your message? I'm not seeing so good these days. : ) Maxine > Maxine, > > If you'd stay away from those parties where people are > treating their glaucoma en masse you wouldn't have to > worry about the test..... > > > :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 Personally, I hope that they can't hide it. I even went to the erowid site and couldn't find anything about the Certo theory--we were just checking out the misinformation some of our folks have been hearing from some of the little toots in this area. Maxine ----- Original Message ----- > > To the best of my knowledge there is NO way to make a test come back negative if it should be positive from smoking pot. > > It stays in your system 30-45 days. The only thing that can make it negative is time. > > I know a guy who tried drinking charcoal water- still came back positive. > > Jay Hoskins > Police Officer > EMT > EMS Instructor > jhoskins@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 Howdy Maxine! Just tell all of those folks who are worried about drugs showing up in their urine that if they drink orange juice while standing on their head listening to Oingo-Boingo that they'll pass the test for sure. Of course, this won't work but it'll keep them from getting the job and you'll get a big kick out of knowing that they actually took your advice. Take care, Jeff <- feeling particularly evil today. Re: drug test info Personally, I hope that they can't hide it. I even went to the erowid site and couldn't find anything about the Certo theory--we were just checking out the misinformation some of our folks have been hearing from some of the little toots in this area. Maxine ----- Original Message ----- > > To the best of my knowledge there is NO way to make a test come back negative if it should be positive from smoking pot. > > It stays in your system 30-45 days. The only thing that can make it negative is time. > > I know a guy who tried drinking charcoal water- still came back positive. > > Jay Hoskins > Police Officer > EMT > EMS Instructor > jhoskins@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 That is unless they shave their heads......or their butts depending on how you look @ it. I know some people are real " butt " heads hehe..... Jay Re: drug test info I know there are supposedly ways to " foul " a test, but not positive what they all are. I have heard the same idea she proposed before, however, I am not sure it completely masks the presence of Marijuana. The test alot of agencies are performing now is the hair test, which offers a few things: completely infoulable, and they can go back quite a long time period and tell what prior drug use has been. They usually go back 3 months, but can go back up to several years if the hair is long enough. The drug becomes a permanent part of the hair strand, and cannot be washed away, covered up, or stripped away, etc. Blum, EMT-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 I agree--if someone wants to " beat " the test, that person most likely has a problem with drugs. But, did I miss something? Did someone in this group say that they wanted or needed to " beat " a drug test? I'm the one who asked the original question, and all I asked was whether or not anyone had heard of this method that someone told one of our members about. Discussing how something is done is not the same as wanting or needing to do it. If anyone was left with that impression from my question, then they need to put that thought out of their head real fast. Maxine In a message dated 3/19/01 6:18:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, RaaEMS605@... writes: > I'm sorry but I couldn't keep quiet. > > Regarding " beating " a drug test: yes, is possible to have false positives. > However, in my opinion, the only people who would want to " beat " the drug > tests are those who have a problem with drugs. Why else would they need to > beat it? > > > , BS, LP > Instructor > EMS Professions Program > Tyler Junior College > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 Before I was a Paramedic, I was a store manager. On drug test Mondays, I would have a line of men in my store drinking bottles of vinegar. They swore by it. P. McClanahan, EMT-P and other stuff drug test info > I have a question about something that came up in a > sitting-around-the-station discussion recently. One of our members had been > told that marijuana cannot be decteted in urine if you drink a bottle of > apple juice with a package of Certo mixed in it, and then drink a bottle of > water, within a couple of hours before the urine sample is taken. Has > anyone heard of this? > > Before the rumors start, this is not about anyone in our department-----we > do not have someone in our department who is worried about failing a piss > test!!!!!!!! Just general discussion and wondering about the truth to this. > > Maxine > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 If it is possible to have false positives, is it possible to have false negatives? Jay Re: drug test info I'm sorry but I couldn't keep quiet. Having been a police officer for 23 years and a licensed polygraph examiner for the majority of that time, I always had people ask me as to how they could " beat " a polygraph examination. My response was that if you weren't going to lie, you had nothing to worry about. Regarding " beating " a drug test: yes, is possible to have false positives. However, in my opinion, the only people who would want to " beat " the drug tests are those who have a problem with drugs. Why else would they need to beat it? , BS, LP Instructor EMS Professions Program Tyler Junior College Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2001 Report Share Posted March 20, 2001 Yes sir, you are correct.............there is no reason to want to beat the drug test unless you are guilty of using.....but that's not the point of the conversation. ) It's just good old curiosity from the bunch of us that hear of these stupid ways kids think they can beat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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