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Since I made the decision to leave 12-step programs ( I had been withdrawing

slowly for about 5yrs) I have told know one except my husband, who still goes

to AA. He accepts my decision, however I do not for one second believe many of

my aquaintances in AA/NA would. Too much fear. " oh no your gonna drink and use

if you leave us " . I have always believed it was a decision to go out and use,

and if I needed an excuse, well I use any number of them. Anyway, it was great

when I found the ar12 ng, cuz I needed to know I was not crazy.

I have been enrolled in college (returning after 20 yr). Human Services is my

major.

I am currently working toward Alcohol/Drug Certificate, I have so far been

fortunate in having a couple of instructors who do not by into the disease

concept, and also disagrees with the diseasing of all the other human

behavioral traits. However, one class " Codependency " out text books Melody

Beattie's Codependent No More, yikes, so self serving and assuming I just

about puked everytime I had to read that book. Another text had a test you

could take to see if your codependent, and the instrutor pointed out that

there was no way anyone could pass it, hence we are all codependent and we

better get to a 12 step meeting.

I do not think I will work in the Drug/Alcohol field, however I will remain

working in the field of Human Services, and I am glad to know of the

alternatives to the 12 steps, and will most likely hestitate before suggesting

AA/NA.

I am currently working in a group home for teenage girls, and there is one

17yr old in the program. It saddens me that she has been labeled as having a

life long disease, and will have to attend meetings for the rest of her life,

and if she does drink or use she will feel so much guilt and remorse, which

might end up worse than if she was just allowed to be the normal teenager that

she is. I do not condone drinking and using, however I do believe as Stanton

Peele, that most teens grow out of it. I see that even with my old high school

friends.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is the ng has been a big help to me, and I

hope we don't allow a few jerks to spoil it.

Sincerely

Judie

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Hazeltine itself issues a white paper to it's clinitians to stop using the

term " codependent " as it had no clinical foundation and was pop-psych and

too much treatment speak for even Hazeltine, who had made millions off of

their publishing arm.

There is very, very little Graduate level substance abuse education in the

US (because there are no research schools in substance abuse) and virtually

no undergad- " counselor certificate " level education. Mostly it's Community

College stuff) University of Toronto's Addiction Research Studies Program is

one of the best (Graduate School) and I guess Rutgers is the best US school.

My advice is to continue through Graduate school and into a Doctoral program

in one of the above. I have been on the Credentialing Board (for substance

abuse counseling) in a large state in the US and I saw some pretty sorry

types that were " counselors " . Not ONE of them even comprehended alternatives

to 12-step groups. Very, very few knew even basic theraputic interactive

concepts. It was a very sorry state of affairs. If I can help you please

mail me directly. I received my doctorate in the U.S. and know a few people,

places, things, etc :-)

Best of luck to you----study, study, study!

Big help

>Since I made the decision to leave 12-step programs ( I had been

withdrawing

>slowly for about 5yrs) I have told know one except my husband, who still

goes

>to AA. He accepts my decision, however I do not for one second believe many

of

>my aquaintances in AA/NA would. Too much fear. " oh no your gonna drink and

use

>if you leave us " . I have always believed it was a decision to go out and

use,

>and if I needed an excuse, well I use any number of them. Anyway, it was

great

>when I found the ar12 ng, cuz I needed to know I was not crazy.

>

>I have been enrolled in college (returning after 20 yr). Human Services is

my

>major.

>I am currently working toward Alcohol/Drug Certificate, I have so far been

>fortunate in having a couple of instructors who do not by into the disease

>concept, and also disagrees with the diseasing of all the other human

>behavioral traits. However, one class " Codependency " out text books Melody

>Beattie's Codependent No More, yikes, so self serving and assuming I just

>about puked everytime I had to read that book. Another text had a test you

>could take to see if your codependent, and the instrutor pointed out that

>there was no way anyone could pass it, hence we are all codependent and we

>better get to a 12 step meeting.

>

>I do not think I will work in the Drug/Alcohol field, however I will remain

>working in the field of Human Services, and I am glad to know of the

>alternatives to the 12 steps, and will most likely hestitate before

suggesting

>AA/NA.

>

>I am currently working in a group home for teenage girls, and there is one

>17yr old in the program. It saddens me that she has been labeled as having

a

>life long disease, and will have to attend meetings for the rest of her

life,

>and if she does drink or use she will feel so much guilt and remorse, which

>might end up worse than if she was just allowed to be the normal teenager

that

>she is. I do not condone drinking and using, however I do believe as

Stanton

>Peele, that most teens grow out of it. I see that even with my old high

school

>friends.

>

>Anyway, what I am trying to say is the ng has been a big help to me, and I

>hope we don't allow a few jerks to spoil it.

>

>Sincerely

>Judie

>

>

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>Read this list on the Web at http://www.FindMail.com/list/12-step-free/

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>

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