Re: DAMN GOOD IDEA - MODERATE THE NEWSGROUP

June 18, 1998

I think the straw that broke the camel's back was that " HAVE A DRINK AND

CHILL, KENNY " garbage. The little piece of human waste that started that

deserves a really bad suprise.

Sometimes I actually need to hear the voice of reason because I can run with

some anger. I can't imagine why some of the people who actually feel OK with

12-step programs don't tell those idiots to shut up. I really don't know of

anyone in a 12-step program who would tell someone that. Pee-Wee is one sick

bastard.

DAMN GOOD IDEA - MODERATE THE NEWSGROUP

>At 04:20 18/06/98 -0700, you wrote:

>>

>>Lazy, yes but damnit: I have to use the web...I don't have access to a

>>newsreader at work :-)

>>I haven't spoken to but there might be a set of automated procedures

>>that lessen the total " hands-on " moderation work. Jesus, I'd like to get

>>those fools out of there.

>

>It would be great- all the freedom to discuss our experiences and opinion

>on 12 step programs, on a newsgroup that is accessible anywhere in the

>world, and none of the trolls. That would be a valuable thing to have.

>

>I'm not physically well and I don't have a lot of energy, but I would be

>prepared to do some of the moderating- I don't know if it would be feasable

>with a 486 computer, living in the UK, and only able to spend maybe an hour

>a day on it- but if it was, it would be a lot better for me and my immune

>system than the alternative that we currently have; looking every day at

>the list of articles most of which are there to deliberately clog the

>newsgroup up, skipping all the trolls and trying not to peek, knowing that

>probably a lot of people are reading them and then feeling like that

>newsgroup isn't worth bothering with- I find the present situation really

>draining because I can't really DO anything to fix it.

>

>I also think that the recovery needs of people who have had bad experiences

>with 12 step programs will be comparable to the need people have to find

>recovery programs in the first place. I'ts an unknown quantity but I think

>it is a massive number. But it will be largely unrecorded due to the nature

>of the problem. I mean, how many people go to their family doctor and say

> " I need help to recover from AA " ? It's like rape, domestic violence and

>racial attacks-- it's largely unreported. Except it is even more unreported

>than those things- at least there are laws and criminal prosecutions

>applicable in those cases. Someone who doesn't like AA is told very often

>that it is simply because they are in denial and it is their fault.

>

>>Joe: your right. Anger does breed anger.

>

>Yup. On the net its a virus- it is self-replicating, doesn't think, and

>only needs a suitable environment in which to propagate itself- an angry

>human host. Not that it isn't useful as well sometimes (I put that bit in

>for Ken ;-)).

>

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June 18, 1998

He is a sick puppy. But Ken handles him well. I don't think Ken is all up

in arms because Reese continues to offer him a bottle of old granddad. I

got Ken's book and the chapter about early childhood experiences reveals a

great deal of where Ken is going with his piercing questions put to Reese

succinctly.