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In a message dated 3/27/02 11:24:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

rickvargas1@... writes:

> If there is any more info you need, ask away! Our Gabby was diagnosed at age

> 5 and is making some excellent progress.

> Sandy

>

Sandy, would you mind telling me some of the things they are working on with

Gabby in school? We are on our 3rd IEP meeting and I am looking for progress

in anything. I am not sure we are in the placement that will help her the

most. Rochelle is 5 and in Kindergarten this year. We started a sensory

program but I don't know where she is academicly because she will not usually

point or make choices when asked. They are still working on shapes and colors

which I think she may know but has not communicated that to the teacher

consistently. Do we continue to work on these or move on. I am confused. Any

ideas.

Diane

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In a message dated 3/30/02 11:24:30 AM Central Standard Time,

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> Sandy, would you mind telling me some of the things they are working on with

>

> Gabby in school? We are on our 3rd IEP meeting and I am looking for

> progress

> in anything. I am not sure we are in the placement that will help her the

> most. Rochelle is 5 and in Kindergarten this year. We started a sensory

> program but I don't know where she is academicly because she will not

> usually

> point or make choices when asked. They are still working on shapes and

> colors

> which I think she may know but has not communicated that to the teacher

> consistently. Do we continue to work on these or move on. I am confused.

> Any

> ideas.

> Diane

>

>

>

Diane,

I'm not Sandy but personally I'd make getting an accurate pointing response a

top priority on an IEP. Or something similar in the way of indicating an

answer. It is a skill that can and should be taught.

They also need to remember that they need to motivate her to respond to them.

Make it fun and motivating.

You can't teach a child unless you have an interaction going on. OK a

generalization but a good one.

With we started with a point. His gross motor skills have always been

way ahead of fine motor so we do throw a ball at the correct answer.

Heck, in the group home we had a girl with no hand control. We would set two

chairs an equal distance from us and put a choice on each. Then we would

stand her at the end of the room and ask the question. A bit tedious but

worked when necessary. We moved on from there.

Karyn

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Hi Diane...

Let me tell you what life is like for Gabby and that will probably give you

something to go off of...

Well, she is the hardest working girl in Southern California, I'm sure of it ;)

I am not kidding. She works a 9 to 5, five days a week.

For two hours a day at school she is an ABA program, then she goes to her

regular classroom which is actually a reverse mainstreamed preschool class (even

though she should technically be in Kinder, The reason for this was that we were

waiting on evals and well.... long story actually) until 2 pm, comes homne on

the bus and from 3 - 5 everyday she has in home therapists come work with her.

The in home stuff is handled through our local regional center. So she has a

total of 4 hours/day ABA or 20 hrs a week. This has helped her SO much. The

" drills " have really brought out something in her - before we had these

services, all of our IEPs were " she's not making progress " blah blah - y'know

the usual BS that they don't like to take any responsibility for themselves. I

think that her success with the drills has given her a significant amount of

self confidence and that has translated to more success in the classroom.

About your daughter not pointing... a couple of things come to mind - she isn't

interested in what theyre asking her to communicate or she isn't being motivated

to give an answer. Most of what they do with ABA is based on motivators and

reward systems. Is there anything like that set up for her? Gabby was exactly

the same way before the therapy which didn't mean she didn't know what they were

asking of her, but just that they needed to make it interesting to her - these

autistic kids, eh?! ;) Also, have you considered having her get a assistive

tech eval? Gabby had one and was approved for a small computer device called the

Dynamo which uses PECS and voice output. The voice output really excited Gabby

(she is non verbal) and while we STILL have not recieved the darn thing, we have

some very high hopes that her communication will improve with that. Oh yes, we

also use PECS everywhere.... at home we have velcroed certain areas of the house

with PECS pics that she absolutely surprised us with. She knew the meanings of

alot of the pics w/o us really working with them with her. Recently she brought

me the picture for " sleepy " which is just some girl with her hands by her head

and a blanket over her. She was indeed sleepy and fell asleep a few moments

later.

I know that the in home therapists are working with Gabby with shape sorters but

that doesn't mean that we think she understands what the names of them are.

Colors would probably be harder for her. But every child is different. I just

think that there were such low expectations for Gabby at this school that no one

really tried hard enough.

Some of the things that the in home people are working on with her are puzzles,

shape sorters, drawing, lots of fine motor skills - string beading, clothespins,

cutting, pop beads. Some of these things sound so developmentally inappropriate

for an almost 6 year old but they aren't.

One thing that we decided at the beginning of this school year was that we

needed to work on these basic things and allow Gabby experience success with

them in order to build this foundation and track record of success. It was a bit

difficult for me because I always stressed the academics at these mtgs. I see

now that she is making progress with these and I see a change in her.

Half of the whole " success " thing to me is watching her communicate with us.

Before this year we had almost NO communication with her. Now, she is amazing us

daily. It may not be the way that I have always dreamed (speech) but it is

absolutely necessary and wow - the things she knows.

I hope I helped a bit and I hope that this is even the info that you wanted. I

just hate to hear people talk about this " no progress " thing bc it brings back

all those old feelings. I've been there... and hearing and knowing that no

progress is being made can be heartbreaking. Something is not working for your

daughter... they need a new approach.... or a swift kick in the :)

Sandy, who btw is experiencing the first " 4 " 's on her dd's IEP goals for the

first time ever. 4 being the best (is that how it works for all of us w/ IEPS?

LOL) :) Have never seen a 4 relating to my Gabby. It's quite nice :)

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In a message dated 3/27/02 11:24:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

rickvargas1@... writes:

> If there is any more info you need, ask away! Our Gabby was diagnosed at age

> 5 and is making some excellent progress.

> Sandy

>

Sandy, would you mind telling me some of the things they are working on with

Gabby in school? We are on our 3rd IEP meeting and I am looking for progress

in anything. I am not sure we are in the placement that will help her the

most. Rochelle is 5 and in Kindergarten this year. We started a sensory

program but I don't know where she is academicly because she will not usually

point or make choices when asked. They are still working on shapes and colors

which I think she may know but has not communicated that to the teacher

consistently. Do we continue to work on these or move on. I am confused. Any

ideas.

Diane

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With we started with a point. His gross motor skills have always been

way ahead of fine motor so we do throw a ball at the correct answer.

That's great! How creative!

That is exactly what Diane's daughter's teacher needs...

Sandy

mom to le (5, ds-asd) and Adam (2)

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In a message dated 3/30/02 9:07:01 PM Central Standard Time,

rickvargas1@... writes:

> Let me tell you what life is like for Gabby and that will probably give you

> something to go off of...

>

> Well, she is the hardest working girl in Southern California, I'm sure of

> it ;) I am not kidding. She works a 9 to 5, five days a week.

>

>

Sandy,

also receives ABA therapy in our home. He goes to school full days then

has therapy from 3:30 until 7:00. On weekends he has therapy twice a day. We

aim twice a day during the summer also. Since he is 13 he can handle a longer

day than some of the younger kids. He has been receiving ABA services for

about 4 years. I don't regret our choice to do this. He has come a long way.

Have you used ABLLS at all to help decide what to work on? It is great.

Karyn

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In a message dated 3/30/02 9:28:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

KVanRyzin@... writes:

> Diane,

> I'm not Sandy but personally I'd make getting an accurate pointing response

> a

> top priority on an IEP. Or something similar in the way of indicating an

> answer. It is a skill that can and should be taught.

> They also need to remember that they need to motivate her to respond to

> them.

> Make it fun and motivating.

>

Thanks, I will mention this to the team.

Diane :)

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In a message dated 3/30/02 10:07:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

rickvargas1@... writes:

> Sandy, who btw is experiencing the first " 4 " 's on her dd's IEP goals for the

> first time ever. 4 being the best (is that how it works for all of us w/

> IEPS? LOL) :) Have never seen a 4 relating to my Gabby. It's quite nice :)

>

>

>

I just printed out your response. Obviously I think it will help Rochelle.

Thanks so much for responding! I need to look into this ABA stuff privately.

I think they are trying to implement some of this at school but the Autism

Resource Teacher can't start services until the IEP is finished. I had such

high hopes for Rochelle and the school really lowers my expectations. I am

really frustrated. I am not sure how to relate to Rochelle anymore. She just

doesn't seem interested in things that she use to like to do.

Diane

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In a message dated 3/30/02 9:28:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

KVanRyzin@... writes:

> Diane,

> I'm not Sandy but personally I'd make getting an accurate pointing response

> a

> top priority on an IEP

Maddie does not point. She used to tap the picture on the PECS board to

let you know which one she wanted (this took TONS of HOH first). Now, she

rips that picture off and hands it to you (after tons of HOH there too).

However, she is still not discriminating the pictures, so it's hard. And

Maddie has no comprehension of the verbal word....just her name, and that

FINALLY happened last year. The first thing they worked on using ABA with

Maddie was eye contact, then getting her to respond to her name. We're

still working hard on engaging her. Meanwhile, I am hoping and praying that

her teacher leaves this June and her old one is ready to step right back in.

Kathleen is a fabulous teacher and very skilled in ABA, where Janet is not.

Donna

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In a message dated 3/31/02 9:36:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dben937342@... writes:

> I just printed out your response. Obviously I think it will help Rochelle.

> Thanks so much for responding! I need to look into this ABA stuff

> privately.

> I think they are trying to implement some of this at school but the Autism

> Resource Teacher can't start services until the IEP is finished. I had such

> high hopes for Rochelle and the school really lowers my expectations. I am

> really frustrated. I am not sure how to relate to Rochelle anymore. She

> just

> doesn't seem interested in things that she use to like to do.

>

I'm sorry Diane. I remember that desolate feeling all too well. At home

ABA programs are very expensive, which is why so many SD's do not want to pay

for it. But more and more families are winning this battle.

Can you think about what motivates Rochelle? What can put a little smile on

her face? What does she spend her time doing? I still seem to think that

she would benefit from some heavy duty Floortime. She reminds me of how

Maddie was....just flat and wanting to be alone all the time. My experience

is that FLoortime takes longer to get results, but I believe that for some

kids, you need to do that first before you can attempt ABA. At least that's

how it was with Maddie. I KNOW there was no way she could have handled

discrete trials and ABA before we did those years of Floortime. I was

fierce about not pushing her. We lost an entire year with Maddie from

expecting too much from her, and I was terrified to risk it again.

I'd be glad to answer any questions about it you might have. I'm not an

expert, but I've watched it done expertly for years with Maddie. Maddie

had a private SI therapist who is a genius at it, and I sat in on every

weekly session.

Donna

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In a message dated 3/31/02 9:36:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dben937342@... writes:

> I just printed out your response. Obviously I think it will help Rochelle.

> Thanks so much for responding! I need to look into this ABA stuff

> privately.

> I think they are trying to implement some of this at school but the Autism

> Resource Teacher can't start services until the IEP is finished. I had such

> high hopes for Rochelle and the school really lowers my expectations. I am

> really frustrated. I am not sure how to relate to Rochelle anymore. She

> just

> doesn't seem interested in things that she use to like to do.

>

I'm sorry Diane. I remember that desolate feeling all too well. At home

ABA programs are very expensive, which is why so many SD's do not want to pay

for it. But more and more families are winning this battle.

Can you think about what motivates Rochelle? What can put a little smile on

her face? What does she spend her time doing? I still seem to think that

she would benefit from some heavy duty Floortime. She reminds me of how

Maddie was....just flat and wanting to be alone all the time. My experience

is that FLoortime takes longer to get results, but I believe that for some

kids, you need to do that first before you can attempt ABA. At least that's

how it was with Maddie. I KNOW there was no way she could have handled

discrete trials and ABA before we did those years of Floortime. I was

fierce about not pushing her. We lost an entire year with Maddie from

expecting too much from her, and I was terrified to risk it again.

I'd be glad to answer any questions about it you might have. I'm not an

expert, but I've watched it done expertly for years with Maddie. Maddie

had a private SI therapist who is a genius at it, and I sat in on every

weekly session.

Donna

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>

> I'm sorry Diane. I remember that desolate feeling all too well. At home

>

> ABA programs are very expensive, which is why so many SD's do not want to

> pay

> for it. But more and more families are winning this battle.

> Can you think about what motivates Rochelle? What can put a little smile

> on

> her face? What does she spend her time doing? I still seem to think

> that

> she would benefit from some heavy duty Floortime. She reminds me of how

> Maddie was....just flat and wanting to be alone all the time. My

> experience

> is that FLoortime takes longer to get results, but I believe that for some

> kids, you need to do that first before you can attempt ABA. At least

> that's

> how it was with Maddie. I KNOW there was no way she could have handled

> discrete trials and ABA before we did those years of Floortime. I was

> fierce about not pushing her. We lost an entire year with Maddie from

> expecting too much from her, and I was terrified to risk it again.

> I'd be glad to answer any questions about it you might have. I'm not an

> expert, but I've watched it done expertly for years with Maddie.

> Maddie

> had a private SI therapist who is a genius at it, and I sat in on every

> weekly session.

> Donna

Donna,

Have you tried any of the verbal behavior stuff with Maddie? Our in-home team

is doing more of it and I hear from others that they are having good success

with communication.

Karyn

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In a message dated 4/2/02 12:07:30 PM Central Standard Time, duffey48@...

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>

> I'm sorry Diane. I remember that desolate feeling all too well. At home

>

> ABA programs are very expensive, which is why so many SD's do not want to

> pay

> for it. But more and more families are winning this battle.

> Can you think about what motivates Rochelle? What can put a little smile

> on

> her face? What does she spend her time doing? I still seem to think

> that

> she would benefit from some heavy duty Floortime. She reminds me of how

> Maddie was....just flat and wanting to be alone all the time. My

> experience

> is that FLoortime takes longer to get results, but I believe that for some

> kids, you need to do that first before you can attempt ABA. At least

> that's

> how it was with Maddie. I KNOW there was no way she could have handled

> discrete trials and ABA before we did those years of Floortime. I was

> fierce about not pushing her. We lost an entire year with Maddie from

> expecting too much from her, and I was terrified to risk it again.

> I'd be glad to answer any questions about it you might have. I'm not an

> expert, but I've watched it done expertly for years with Maddie.

> Maddie

> had a private SI therapist who is a genius at it, and I sat in on every

> weekly session.

> Donna

Donna,

Have you tried any of the verbal behavior stuff with Maddie? Our in-home team

is doing more of it and I hear from others that they are having good success

with communication.

Karyn

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Hi Karyn, Glad to hear of other kids on the list using ABA. But no, I have never

heard of ABBLS. Please fill me in if you could.

Thanks!

Sandy

mom to le (5, ds-asd) and Adam )

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In a message dated 3/30/02 9:07:01 PM Central Standard Time,

rickvargas1@... writes:

> Let me tell you what life is like for Gabby and that will probably give you

> something to go off of...

>

> Well, she is the hardest working girl in Southern California, I'm sure of

> it ;) I am not kidding. She works a 9 to 5, five days a week.

>

>

Sandy,

also receives ABA therapy in our home. He goes to school full days then

has therapy from 3:30 until 7:00. On weekends he has therapy twice a day. We

aim twice a day during the summer also. Since he is 13 he can handle a longer

day than some of the younger kids. He has been receiving ABA services for

about 4 years. I don't regret our choice to do this. He has come a long way.

Have you used ABLLS at all to help decide what to work on? It is great.

Karyn

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In a message dated 4/2/02 11:19:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

KVanRyzin@... writes:

> Have you tried any of the verbal behavior stuff with Maddie? Our in-home

> team

> is doing more of it and I hear from others that they are having good

> success

> with communication.

>

>

Karyn,

Do you mean the AVB? The little bit of reading I did on it suggests

that it's for kids who have a grasp of verbal language. Or maybe I'm wrong.

They know at Maddie's school that this is a HUGE goal for us. We want her

to understand our words. They are working on it using the high motivators

for her....like balls, and swinging. We recently had some success with

ball playing. WE do that ONE TWO THREE GO prompt with her, and now when

she hears it, she puts her hands out to catch the ball. Hey, I count that

as a verbal!!!! And they're working on *fun* commands....like " Clap your

hands " ... " touch your head " ....all done with discrete trials. Still, it's

frustrating. I could say ice cream to her a thousand times and it means

nothing, but if I show her the half gallon, she runs and jumps in her seat.

Ya think I have a visual kid?????? LOLOL

DOnna

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In a message dated 4/3/02 1:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, duffey48@...

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> but if I show her the half gallon, she runs and jumps in her seat.

> Ya think I have a visual kid?????? LOLOL

> DOnna

>

>

>

Rochelle loves her ice cream. So does her brother. She even loves the Rice

dream ice cream. I hate to run out because of the smile on her face when we

sign or mention ice cream. But she really gets animated when she sees the ice

cream in front of her.

Diane :)

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In a message dated 4/3/02 12:57:16 PM Central Standard Time, duffey48@...

writes:

>

> Karyn,

> Do you mean the AVB? The little bit of reading I did on it suggests

> that it's for kids who have a grasp of verbal language. Or maybe I'm

> wrong.

> They know at Maddie's school that this is a HUGE goal for us. We want

> her

> to understand our words. They are working on it using the high motivators

>

> for her....like balls, and swinging. We recently had some success with

> ball playing. WE do that ONE TWO THREE GO prompt with her, and now when

> she hears it, she puts her hands out to catch the ball. Hey, I count that

>

> as a verbal!!!! And they're working on *fun* commands....like " Clap your

>

> hands " ... " touch your head " ....all done with discrete trials. Still, it's

> frustrating. I could say ice cream to her a thousand times and it means

> nothing, but if I show her the half gallon, she runs and jumps in her seat.

>

> Ya think I have a visual kid?????? LOLOL

> DOnna

>

>

>

Yeah,

That is what I mean. The families that I know have kids that are non-verbal.

They are working on some of the basic mand stuff. I think what they like is

how frequently it is worked on and how you can move a child into more social

communication. I know one of the families is doing it with PECS. is

quite verbal at this point and it has really worked to get sentences going

for him.

Does Maddie respond when you sign to her? Or does she not look at your hands?

does much better when people use sign with him. He meets that need to

see the word.I also used to write things on a sentence strip and put it on

the table when we ate. When I said the words to him I'd point to the words I

was saying.

Boy, I was busy then. I'm really not that ambitious anymore.

Karyn

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In a message dated 4/3/02 3:05:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, KVanRyzin@...

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> Does Maddie respond when you sign to her? Or does she not look at your

> hands?

>

No Karyn. She used to understand 15 signs (never could sign to us), but

once we introduced our own raw version of PECS, she lost them. We tried to

keep them up, but it's like she has a hard time working on more than one

thing, if that makes sense. I always sign to her, but she doesn't know it.

When it's time to eat, I always sign it (she used to see me sign, and go

right to her chair.....or I'd sign sit, and she'd do it), and then I show her

the PECS board, and she'll go sit. She also has an amazing *inner clock*

and knows when it's time for things. It's hard.

However, she has become amazingly sweet with us in the last two years!!!!

Like today, (she's under the weather...read slight sniffles.....so I kept her

home and Allie is still off for Easter break) she came downstairs while I was

cooking dinner for G-mom and G-pop....Allie was sitting in the chair making a

bead necklace, when Maddie walked over and wrapped her arms around her waist

for a giant hug!!!! I was busy, but heard Allie yell... " MOM

MOM...LOOK " .......she might not know our words, but moments like that are

priceless!!

Donna

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> She used to tap the picture on the PECS board to

> let you know which one she wanted (this took TONS of HOH first).

Sometimes Rochelle will tap the picture but not consistently. She doesn't do

anything consistently.

Diane

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In a message dated 4/2/02 1:07:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, duffey48@...

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> I'd be glad to answer any questions about it you might have. I'm not an

> expert, but I've watched it done expertly for years with Maddie.

> Maddie

> had a private SI therapist who is a genius at it, and I sat in on every

> weekly session.

>

Thanks Donna, I'm kinda following behind on all the e-mails. The school

principle thinks Rochelle is progressing. But they have such low expectations

to begin with. And the preschool teacher happened to see Rochelle in school

and mentioned that she couldn't believe it was the same child. How she was

sitting so good in the chair. I bet the Principle didn't tell her that she

was belted in for 4 months before I mentioned it. Rochelle's last year in

preschool was a complete waste. Another 6 months in Kindergarten until they

finally figured her out some. There is so much they could be doing and not

doing it because of lack of staff.

Today the nurse of one of the classmates told me Rochelle said no. Do you

think any of the other staff thought to mention it. All I heard was she wet

alot today. Well, we just went to a longer day and back from vacation. Maybe

Rochelle doesn't want to be there or she's testing them. It's interesting

that she wets herself at 1:00 everyday.

The aides have no experience and have no training. How is that suppose to

benefit my daughter.

Diane

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In a message dated 4/3/02 5:03:10 PM Central Standard Time, duffey48@...

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> No Karyn. She used to understand 15 signs (never could sign to us), but

> once we introduced our own raw version of PECS, she lost them. We tried

> to

> keep them up, but it's like she has a hard time working on more than one

> thing, if that makes sense. I always sign to her, but she doesn't know

> it.

> When it's time to eat, I always sign it (she used to see me sign, and go

>

> right to her chair.....or I'd sign sit, and she'd do it), and then I show

> her

> the PECS board, and she'll go sit. She also has an amazing *inner clock*

> and knows when it's time for things. It's hard.

> However, she has become amazingly sweet with us in the last two years!!!!

>

> Like today, (she's under the weather...read slight sniffles.....so I kept

> her

> home and Allie is still off for Easter break) she came downstairs while I

> was

> cooking dinner for G-mom and G-pop....Allie was sitting in the chair making

> a

> bead necklace, when Maddie walked over and wrapped her arms around her

> waist

> for a giant hug!!!! I was busy, but heard Allie yell... " MOM

> MOM...LOOK " .......she might not know our words, but moments like that are

> priceless!!

> Donna

>

>

>

One of the guys who had autism that I worked with could only learn 5 signs

and then lost them all when they would try to teach the sixth. Never quite

got PECS but by the time he was 16 his receptive lang. had greatly improved.

The sweetness is priceless.

Karyn

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In a message dated 4/3/02 12:49:57 AM Central Standard Time,

rickvargas1@... writes:

> Hi Karyn, Glad to hear of other kids on the list using ABA. But no, I have

> never heard of ABBLS. Please fill me in if you could.

> Thanks!

>

> Sandy

> mom to le (5, ds-asd) and Adam )

>

>

I've started responses to you twice but keep getting kicked off of AOL in the

middle.

Anyway, ABLLS is an assessment tool. Very specific and then you teach the

specific areas the child needs.

We discovered that couldn't sequence blocks in a row. Like red, then

blue, then red, then blue, then ___, then ___. He could sequence three

pictures when taught the specific pictures but didnt' generalize anything.

It is like we have gone back to fill in the skills we missed along the way.

Very nice to really see the progress and how it helps in functional areas.

Karyn

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In a message dated 4/3/02 9:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dben937342@... writes:

> Thanks Donna, I'm kinda following behind on all the e-mails. The school

> principle thinks Rochelle is progressing. But they have such low

> expectations

> to begin with

Well Diane, my experience has been that they really like to say there's

progress, because then they can take credit for it. We've had some really

great teachers and some really bad. Seems to me taht the good ones

recognize success but know how to keep moving forward to the next level.

{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}

Donna

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That reminds me of something. This kid that I

babysitt frequently well he's nonverbal so it's hard

to know what he wants. Well I used pecs pics for like

dinner time like the foods that he can choose to eat-

and it is so much easier now then forcing him to eat a

certain food. Well I do use some simple signs, but he

just repeats it- so I don't think it works.

>

> > Does Maddie respond when you sign to her? Or does

> she not look at your

> > hands?

> >

>

> No Karyn. She used to understand 15 signs (never

> could sign to us), but

> once we introduced our own raw version of PECS, she

> lost them. We tried to

> keep them up, but it's like she has a hard time

> working on more than one

> thing, if that makes sense. I always sign to her,

> but she doesn't know it.

> When it's time to eat, I always sign it (she used

> to see me sign, and go

> right to her chair.....or I'd sign sit, and she'd do

> it), and then I show her

> the PECS board, and she'll go sit. She also has an

> amazing *inner clock*

> and knows when it's time for things. It's hard.

> However, she has become amazingly sweet with us in

> the last two years!!!!

> Like today, (she's under the weather...read slight

> sniffles.....so I kept her

> home and Allie is still off for Easter break) she

> came downstairs while I was

> cooking dinner for G-mom and G-pop....Allie was

> sitting in the chair making a

> bead necklace, when Maddie walked over and wrapped

> her arms around her waist

> for a giant hug!!!! I was busy, but heard Allie

> yell... " MOM

> MOM...LOOK " .......she might not know our words, but

> moments like that are

> priceless!!

> Donna

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A doctor told me the nausea is caused by the neurologic problems in our gut....like gastroparesis. Steamy showers made me nauseous too, because it flairs up the "dampness" in the body (from Chinese medicine), so now I take quick baths with very little water...not really hot. I can't ride in a car any more, partly because of car sickness. I'm not sure if it's because of the motion or breathing car fumes, as I have MCS really bad. Sandy <dusty.com@...> wrote: Eggs, vegetables, water, chicken,tuna ionic footbath, steamy showers I feel nauseous in my stomach Car sickness as well I feel discomfort in my chest All tests always show up negative In case you pop the question No chance of pregnancy here, Sandy~ Sandy,There are a lot of factors to weight gain. If you feel too sick to exercise, you are going to gain weight if your food intake isn’t balanced with your level of activity. What do you eat each day?Kenda .

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I think the nausea can be caused more by hormonal fluctuations? That is what happens with morning sickness when you are pregnant, anyway. PattyU R Love <wwwurlove0902@...> wrote: A doctor told me the nausea is caused by the neurologic problems in our gut....like gastroparesis. Steamy showers made me nauseous too, because it flairs up the "dampness" in the body (from Chinese medicine), so now I take quick baths with very little water...not really hot. I can't

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