Re: Tucker's memorial update (kind of long-sorry)

[Guest guest]

Dear Krista,

Holy Crap!!! (sorry for the word choice). I can not believe what you have

been going through with this chick. It is just shocking to me. Please know

that I support you

100% and I just welcome whatever her name is to contact ME about using

metho!!

What you have done and are continuing to do for women who have suffered

pregnancy loss of this sort is beyond compassionate and is so very much

appreciated!

Love You!!!

[Guest guest]

Well said Nora

[Guest guest]

Nora,

Thank you so much, sweetie. Brings tears to my eyes just re-reading what you

wrote. You are a true spirit, Nora...

Take care,

Krista

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you so much. I am just overwhelmed by the e-mails today. I have been

touched in ways that I cannot explain... :..)

Take care,

Krista

[Guest guest]

Stacey,

Thanks, sweetie.

Take care,

Krista

[Guest guest]

Wow,

I didn't know there was such a debate on Metho. It's unbelievable how some

people react. To be honest with you I never thought of it as killing my baby

when I chose metho. How could I? I just had to remember that it was either

that or I would die. I just can't get over this woman and her beliefs. I

have visited the baby bunny site many times and often wondered about this

woman. In her diary she always seemed to be very angry and fussy about

her situation. If I may say, she is very quick to pass judgment on a woman

that has been in her shoes for I to have lost 3 pregnancies and now one EP.

I guess I am a bad person now because I chose the Metho.

Anyway, I am very sorry Krista for this woman's actions. She must really be

angry at the world to do what she has done to you and Tucker's memory.

Take care,

Lucas

[Guest guest]

Krista,

I cannot believe what has done. I met you throught last summer.

As you know and I have a lot in common with pregnancy loses and would

write back and forth regarding what treatments she was receiving through her

pregnancy. Since she has delivered her baby I have not heard from her, not

even a thank you for the cards I sent congratulating her on her new baby. My

feelings have been hurt by her snub.

I am so sorry that she removed Tucker's memorial, but I am starting to see

her for the person she is.

Please keep us updated on what is happening.

Stacey G.

Concerning methotrexate

>> I saw your message online and thought you should know that methotrexate

is

>> immoral to use. Of course, since you cannot reverse what already

happened,

>> perhaps you could look further into the case of methotrexate so that

>others > will not make the same mistake and allow doctors to use this. From

>what I

>> have learned only surgery is moral regarding ectopic pregnancy and not

the

>> use of this drug which actually kills the unformed baby first before

>> actually regarding the real problem at hand

>

>MY MAIL SENT TO SUE STRA:

>

>First and foremost, I have placed a note on the ectopic pregnancy dreambook

>regarding your mail to ****, and any future mail that you choose send out

to

>women on that dreambook. All e-mails that you send will be posted on the

>site, along with your e-mail address. I have contacted each and every

person

>who has signed the dreambook, and they have been asked to send any such

>messages to me.

>Secondly, these women are not scared nor threatened by your moral claims.

>Only God knows what is right and wrong, not some old man in Rome. Actually,

I

>have an entire page on methotrexate being added to the site next week.

Having

>gone through the terror of surgery, many of these women would take the

metho

>if given the option.

>

> " use of this drug which actually kills the unformed baby first before

>actually regarding the real problem at hand " These babies are not

" unformed "

>and the real problem at hand cannot be addressed at the point of

>metho/surgery.

>

>Third, I believe that I know who you are. If I am correct, you could have

>chosen a better alias to write to these women. Should I determine that you

>are whom I think you are, everyone I plan on writing about your other

>practices, will also receive a copy of any e-mails that you send to women

on

>my site.

>

>I am sick and tired of others spouting about ectopics, when they have never

>had to go through it. If you made a choice that you harbor guilt over, it

>doesn't give you the right to try to change the minds of women in other

>situations.

>

>You may consider this your last warning, as I will not tolerate harassment

or

>condemnation of women who have gone through a pregnancy loss.

>Krista Burruss

>Webmistress, http://www.ectopicpregnancy.com

>

>She is now writing to women and trying to coerce women to take sides. This

is

>not about personal beliefs, and it is not about how I feel about as a

>person. I will say that those feelings for her are not in any way

Christian,

>or even civil. She insists that I have been telling lies about her, which

is

>not true. I have only expressed my anger and hurt at the removal of

Tucker's

>memorial. I want the pregnancy loss community to be a safe haven for ALL

>women, not only a chosen few.

>

>Take care and thank you so much for caring!

>Krista

>

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[Guest guest]

Krista,

Just wanted to let you know after reading the whole thing, how petty and

immature

she sounds. There are alot of selfish people like her in this world that never

learned in preschool how to get along with others, believe me, I work with a

similar individual every day (lucky me). Only God gets to judge what is right

and wrong, my first course of action with my Dr. was the Metho and I would have

taken it because I trust him to have me do what is best for my health/life.

Either way with an ep you loose your baby, I would have much rather not had

surgery which is totally invasive, at least with the metho you'd be awake,

surgery is scary, you wake up and they tell you what " parts " they took out, you

have nothing to really say about it. If I have to take " sides " , I'm on yours!!

Take Care,

Vicki

KCHERUB@... wrote:

> Todd and I would first like to thank all of you who have written to me

> regarding this horrible act of bitterness...I just wanted to update you on

> the most current aspect of this situation. Please be assured that my only

> intent is to stand behind my earlier e-mail-our children's memorials are not

> up for debate and if it takes me to change this, I will do it. This is not a

> cat fight. Todd compared what did to grave robbing, and I agree with

> him.

>

> I wrote to about the removal of Tucker's memorial, and the copies of my

> e-mail and her return e-mails are listed below.

>

> <,

>

> While I am thankful that little Xavier has entered this world happy and

> healthy, I am

> shocked and saddened that you have removed Tucker's memorial from babybunny.

>

> I find this a bitter and distasteful act on your part, and I will be writing

> to national sites to inform them that I am not the first woman to have her

> child's memorial removed from babybunny due to personal differences. The

> pregnancy loss community is close-knit and should not be influenced by

> personal beliefs. The one bond that we all have is the loss of a child.

> While your work is indeed comforting, you have broken the one element that is

> paramount to those who create a memorial-trust.

>

> May God watch over you and guide you in the future,

> Krista

>

> Subj: Re: memorial

> Date: 2/28/00 12:38:20 PM Eastern Standard Time

> From: kaylan@... (Kaylan)

> To: MRITEC@...

>

> I had removed it only recently because I felt you would be insulted if I

> left it on the site, since you were mad at me. That is why I removed it and

> the only reason why.

>

>

>

> Subj: Re: memorial

> Date: 2/28/00 2:02:04 PM Eastern Standard Time

> From: MRI TEC

> To: kaylan@...

>

> ,

>

> I did not, in any way, lead you to believe that I wanted Tucker's memorial

> removed from the site. Tucker's loss has nothing to do with our personal

> differences, and the link to his memorial on your site is still located on my

> site. I don't feel that your removing it had anything to do with what you

> thought I wanted. Our falling out happened many months ago, and to remove it

> now was pointless.

>

> I still consider our falling out to be pointless, also. I never had any

> shadows about how we believed different things. I did consider you a friend,

> and was hurt when you decided that our friendship was not worth any sort of

> conflict. It WAS you who decided that I was not worthy of your friendship

> and refused my mail.

>

> Revenge has nothing to do with my anger about this situation. I do not

> intend to defame the babybunny site, as it has many comforting qualities and

> has helped many parents with their grief. My only intent is to force you to

> think about what pain you can cause by removing a memorial (for any reason,

> other than a parent's request). If this means writing to those who list us

> both, and being 100% honest about the memorial's absence, then I will take

> the time and effort to do it. I have not, at any time, defamed your site or

> the reasoning behind it's creation. I have questioned some of your

> practices, not beliefs, and I feel this questioning is now justified.

>

> I do not intend to continue this line of conversation. I just want you to

> sit back and really think about what you have done. You have hurt Todd and I

> beyond repair.

>

> God bless you and your family,

>

> Krista

>

> Subj: Re: memorial

> Date: 2/28/00 12:44:11 PM Eastern Standard Time

> From: kaylan@... (Kaylan)

> To: MRITEC@...

>

> > to national sites to inform them that I am not the first >woman to have

> her > child's memorial removed from babybunny due to personal >differences.

> The

>

> What other woman's memorial was removed? As I do not recall any other

> person's memorial removed. I know one woman asked to be taken off the bunny

> list becuase she believed in abortion and was offended that I posted an

> article about abortion in China. I removed her from the list and never heard

> from her again. I respected her wishes and her belief and we went our own

> separate ways.

>

> I find your desire to attack me most inappropriate and heartless. I have not

> gone out to attack you for your beliefs or site. I only removed your

> memorial page because I assumed you wanted it removed since you were angry

> at me. If you wish to attack me concerning matters you do not know anything

> about, please only state that it concerns you alone, as that is the case and

> that you harbour revenge in your heart and wish to take it out on me. For

> that would be the truth. That is really sad, Krista that you have resorted

> to revenge. I will defend my online position if that is necessary but I'm

> sure most people will understand when I explain to them that you are just

> trying to hurt me because you are mad at me.

>

> > removed from the site. Tucker's loss has nothing to do >with our personal

> > differences, and the link to his memorial on your site is still

> That is what I thought for a long time but then I kept thinking you'd be

> insulted if I kept it up there becuase you hate me and would not want your

> baby on my site. So I finally removed it on Friday.

>

> > site. I don't feel that your removing it had anything to do

>

> It had everything to do with our disagreement. I have no reason to lie to

> you about it and I am telling you why I removed it. Simply because I assumed

> you would not want it there. If the situation was reversed, I would want it

> removed because the conflict between us has become so great that it would

> only bother me.

>

> > thought I wanted. Our falling out happened many months >ago, and to

> remove it > now was pointless.

>

> Actually I was surprised you even visited the site anymore. I was shocked

> you even wrote to me, as I assumed you had thought I had taken it down a

> long time ago. But I only took it down last week as I was revamping the

> site.

>

> > shadows about how we believed different things. I did >consider you a

> friend, > and was hurt when you decided that our friendship was not

>

> It goes both ways Krista. Putting the entire blame on me is false and you

> know that. It takes two people to disagree and argue and that is what you

> have done by threatening revenge upon me. How truly cold and obviously meant

> to harm. Something which you have thought about and stated in attempt to

> harm me.

>

> And forget it...I'm not reading the rest of this message anymore. Whatever

> else you said, please keep it to yourself.

> Please leave me alone.

>

> Subj: Action Note : February 28

> Date: 2/28/00 2:17:26 PM Eastern Standard Time

> From: kaylan@... (Kaylan)

> To: MRITEC@...

>

> Action: Earthlink:

>

> All email from this address shall be removed from the server and blocked

> from kaylan@...

>

> Beginning Monday afternoon, someone began writing to women who signed my

> dreambook. Those who were able to choose methotrexate treatment for their

> ectopics are receiving e-mails telling them the immoralities of it. I have

> just found out today that it is Stratton. I will not tolerate this,

> and wrote to her at the address that she used to send the e-mail. The mail

> was returned unread. The copy follows below. I have also posted a warning

> on the dreambook. If any of you receive any such e-mail, PLEASE forward it

> to me...

>

>

> To: E-MAIL OF RECEPIENT REMOVED FOR HER PROTECTION

> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 2:30 PM

> Subject: Concerning methotrexate

> > I saw your message online and thought you should know that methotrexate is

> > immoral to use. Of course, since you cannot reverse what already happened,

> > perhaps you could look further into the case of methotrexate so that

> others > will not make the same mistake and allow doctors to use this. From

> what I

> > have learned only surgery is moral regarding ectopic pregnancy and not the

> > use of this drug which actually kills the unformed baby first before

> > actually regarding the real problem at hand

>

> MY MAIL SENT TO SUE STRA:

>

> First and foremost, I have placed a note on the ectopic pregnancy dreambook

> regarding your mail to ****, and any future mail that you choose send out to

> women on that dreambook. All e-mails that you send will be posted on the

> site, along with your e-mail address. I have contacted each and every person

> who has signed the dreambook, and they have been asked to send any such

> messages to me.

> Secondly, these women are not scared nor threatened by your moral claims.

> Only God knows what is right and wrong, not some old man in Rome. Actually, I

> have an entire page on methotrexate being added to the site next week. Having

> gone through the terror of surgery, many of these women would take the metho

> if given the option.

>

> " use of this drug which actually kills the unformed baby first before

> actually regarding the real problem at hand " These babies are not " unformed "

> and the real problem at hand cannot be addressed at the point of

> metho/surgery.

>

> Third, I believe that I know who you are. If I am correct, you could have

> chosen a better alias to write to these women. Should I determine that you

> are whom I think you are, everyone I plan on writing about your other

> practices, will also receive a copy of any e-mails that you send to women on

> my site.

>

> I am sick and tired of others spouting about ectopics, when they have never

> had to go through it. If you made a choice that you harbor guilt over, it

> doesn't give you the right to try to change the minds of women in other

> situations.

>

> You may consider this your last warning, as I will not tolerate harassment or

> condemnation of women who have gone through a pregnancy loss.

> Krista Burruss

> Webmistress, http://www.ectopicpregnancy.com

>

> She is now writing to women and trying to coerce women to take sides. This is

> not about personal beliefs, and it is not about how I feel about as a

> person. I will say that those feelings for her are not in any way Christian,

> or even civil. She insists that I have been telling lies about her, which is

> not true. I have only expressed my anger and hurt at the removal of Tucker's

> memorial. I want the pregnancy loss community to be a safe haven for ALL

> women, not only a chosen few.

>

> Take care and thank you so much for caring!

> Krista

>

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