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Patty, This is wonderful news! . .. I couldn't imagine that you could be in Stage 7 and stilll doing all the things you're doing! . . . Time to celebrate! Hugs, Rogene

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Rogene, I'm relieved, that is for sure, though I know I still need to address this adrenal slow-down in cortisol production. I will continue with the Isocort, licorice root, ashwagandha, ginseng, and pregnenolone. I am already noticing benefits from stopping the caffeine I was consuming with the teas, and taking these new supplements. It's hard to believe that this frequent urination has been helped so much already! I got my hydrocortisone in the mail today from England. So glad I talked to Dr. first--that was a God watching out for me! I will just store it for future use if needed. I've also created a file in the links section with all of the new adrenal info I have recently posted. I think we are going to need those references! PattyRogene S <saxony01@...> wrote: Patty, This is wonderful news! . .. I couldn't imagine that you could be in Stage 7 and stilll doing all the things you're doing! . . . Time to celebrate! Hugs, Rogene

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Dr. said basically the same thing. So caution is in order for any steroid use. It's best to let the adrenals heal on their own. The great news is that they can! Recovery is long and slow, which has been the hallmark of our implant recovery. Everything fits. It just needs constant monitoring. Did you adjust your Isocort up or down? Dr. even said to be careful with Isocort. So, I won't use it long term if I can help it. I'll try to focus on the nutrition and the herbal extracts. I hope you begin feeling better! PattyKenda Skaggs <lovesgoldens@...> wrote: Hi Patty,I spoke with Dr. Leu today about my adrenals today too. I was curious if he thought I should try Cortef for a better response. Although I am not extremely fatigued, I do have a few of the other adrenal symptoms and we know that I have adrenal problems from labs. He said NO! Cortef is to be used only if absolutely necessary and not until then. Additionally, simply taking pharmaceuticals will make us feel better but it will not heal the adrenals. The adrenals will rest for a short period of time, we then get off the drugs and resume our lives. Nothing gained. The key for us has got to be

lifestyle changes, no drug or supplement is going to heal us. We adjusted my Isocort dose today because I have been really thirsty and urinating a lot, both not common for me. We’ll see if it helps.Kenda Rogene, I'm relieved, that is for sure, though I know I still need to address this adrenal slow-down in cortisol production. I will continue with the Isocort, licorice root, ashwagandha, ginseng, and pregnenolone. I am already noticing benefits from stopping the caffeine I was consuming with the teas, and taking these new supplements. It's hard to believe that this frequent urination has been helped so much already! I got my hydrocortisone in the mail today from England. So glad I talked to Dr. first--that was a God watching out for me! I will just store it for future use if

needed. I've also created a file in the links section with all of the new adrenal info I have recently posted. I think we are going to need those references! PattyRogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Patty, This is wonderful news! . .. I couldn't imagine that you could be in Stage 7 and stilll doing all the things you're doing! . . . Time to celebrate! Hugs, Rogene 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a

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Patty,

This is interesting but I am a bit confused. DiagnosTechs gives

recommendations with their results. If Dr. Rodes is on the board,

then I wonder how he feels about the written recommendations on the

test itself. I may call him too....because there are so many

different " positions " out there.

And my estriol to progesterone ration on this test was

2.5 to 1 !

>

> Dear group,

> I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put

in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to concerns

about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and

results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.

>

> I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands

adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but he

does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in consulting

with him.

>

> http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/

>

> Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he

did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's more

like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the

morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7 graph.

It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning

(compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low), so

he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They are

still producing, just not enough.

>

> He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't be

necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally supported

through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol supplementation

is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily.

Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is

because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the

hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off, so

that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long term,

this affects us negatively.

>

> He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was affected

by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks good.

My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some people

with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited

about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to

confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let you

know.

>

> All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is

working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of

progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more like

18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal ranges.

But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for progesterone

replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body. He

recommends sublinguals instead.

>

> He does have supplements available through his practice.

>

> I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset

about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really

wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I

retest, I will definitely overnight it.

>

> So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give you

a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation that

needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good

doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and I

think he does.

>

> Patty

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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story.

> Play Sims Stories at Games.

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Patty,

Does it bother you at all that he is a PhD in biological research

rather than a medical doctor? ummmm...I think I will look into him

further.

>

> Dear group,

> I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put

in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to concerns

about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and

results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.

>

> I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands

adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but he

does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in consulting

with him.

>

> http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/

>

> Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he

did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's more

like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the

morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7 graph.

It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning

(compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low), so

he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They are

still producing, just not enough.

>

> He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't be

necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally supported

through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol supplementation

is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily.

Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is

because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the

hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off, so

that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long term,

this affects us negatively.

>

> He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was affected

by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks good.

My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some people

with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited

about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to

confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let you

know.

>

> All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is

working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of

progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more like

18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal ranges.

But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for progesterone

replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body. He

recommends sublinguals instead.

>

> He does have supplements available through his practice.

>

> I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset

about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really

wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I

retest, I will definitely overnight it.

>

> So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give you

a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation that

needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good

doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and I

think he does.

>

> Patty

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

story.

> Play Sims Stories at Games.

>

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Dr. Blais is a PhD. Nope, that would not bother me one bit.

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At 09:15 PM 5/17/2007, you wrote:

>Patty,

>Does it bother you at all that he is a PhD in biological research

>rather than a medical doctor? ummmm...I think I will look into him

>further.

>

>

>

> >

> > Dear group,

> > I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put

>in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to concerns

>about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and

>results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.

> >

> > I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands

>adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but he

>does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in consulting

>with him.

> >

> > <http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/>http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/

> >

> > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he

>did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's more

>like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the

>morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7 graph.

>It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning

>(compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low), so

>he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They are

>still producing, just not enough.

> >

> > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't be

>necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally supported

>through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol supplementation

>is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily.

>Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is

>because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the

>hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off, so

>that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long term,

>this affects us negatively.

> >

> > He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was affected

>by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks good.

>My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some people

>with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited

>about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to

>confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let you

>know.

> >

> > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is

>working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of

>progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more like

>18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal ranges.

>But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for progesterone

>replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body. He

>recommends sublinguals instead.

> >

> > He does have supplements available through his practice.

> >

> > I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset

>about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really

>wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I

>retest, I will definitely overnight it.

> >

> > So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give you

>a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation that

>needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good

>doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and I

>think he does.

> >

> > Patty

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

>story.

> > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> >

>

>

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Patty,

I am happy you have determined how you want to treat yourself and

that he helped you make that decision!

> Patty,

>

> This is wonderful news! . .. I couldn't imagine that you could

be in Stage 7 and stilll doing all the things you're doing! . . .

>

> Time to celebrate!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Nope, that doesn't bother me at all. Smart is smart, and if he knows his stuff, it doesn't matter what his title is. He does testing and consultations, so it's not like he doesn't treat people. Pattysedwards41255 <sedwards41255@...> wrote: Patty,Does it bother you at all that he is a PhD in biological research rather than a medical doctor? ummmm...I think I will look into him further. >> Dear group,> I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to concerns about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.> > I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but he does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in consulting with him.> > http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/> > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's more like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol

reading in the morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7 graph. It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning (compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low), so he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They are still producing, just not enough.> > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't be necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally supported through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol supplementation is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily. Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off, so that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long term, this affects us negatively.> > He said my thyroid looks good. The

only thing that was affected by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks good. My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some people with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let you know.> > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more like 18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal ranges. But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for progesterone replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body. He recommends sublinguals instead. > > He does have supplements available through his practice. > > I'm really glad I got to talk to him.

It assuaged my upset about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I retest, I will definitely overnight it.> > So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give you a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation that needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and I think he does.> > Patty> > > ---------------------------------> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.> Play Sims Stories at Games.> __________________________________________________

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Kenda, How many pellets do you take and in what time frames? I know I have gone over 8 pellets a day, but the label says not to. Do you? I pulled out my yoga tapes last week! I am going to start it up again too. I really need to focus on some relaxation and exercise in my schedule. I'd love to get really good at it. PattyKenda Skaggs <lovesgoldens@...> wrote: Patty,In reading different articles regarding adrenal fatigue, I wrongly believed I was missing out on a great treatment by not taking Cortef. No drug is going to cure adrenal fatigue, that is something only we can do for ourselves. Guess I’m back to yoga again for relaxation.My Isocort dose was increased because I am urinating frequently and am very thirsty. It is not likely that I am diabetic but I am going to have my blood sugar checked just in case. I eat a very healthy diet and eat every three hours, plus diabetes does not run in my family but I know that’s no guarantee that I don’t have it. I was gestational diabetic when I was pregnant with my first child but my blood sugar was well within normal when I followed the diabetic diet, which is basically how I eat now.Dr. Leu and I watch my Isocort dose pretty closely. I am very in tune to my body and can feel when I am taking too

much. I feel a bit jittery and have a hard time falling asleep. We also do labs two or three times per year as well. Interestingly, when my liver was so toxic, I could only take 1/2 of one Isocort and was still wired. I tried the herbals before beginning Isocort, they didn’t help me. Kenda Dr. said basically the same thing. So caution is in order for any steroid use. It's best to let the adrenals heal on their own. The great news is that they can! Recovery is long and slow, which has been the hallmark of our implant recovery. Everything fits. It just needs constant monitoring. Did you adjust your Isocort up or down? Dr. even said to be careful with Isocort. So, I won't use it long

term if I can help it. I'll try to focus on the nutrition and the herbal extracts. I hope you begin feeling better! PattyKenda Skaggs <lovesgoldensgmail> wrote: Hi Patty,I spoke with Dr. Leu today about my adrenals today too. I was curious if he thought I should try Cortef for a better response. Although I am not extremely fatigued, I do have a few of the other adrenal symptoms and we know that I have adrenal problems from labs. He said NO! Cortef is to be used only if absolutely necessary and not until then. Additionally, simply taking pharmaceuticals will make us feel better but it will not heal the adrenals. The adrenals will

rest for a short period of time, we then get off the drugs and resume our lives. Nothing gained. The key for us has got to be lifestyle changes, no drug or supplement is going to heal us. We adjusted my Isocort dose today because I have been really thirsty and urinating a lot, both not common for me. We’ll see if it helps.Kenda Rogene, I'm relieved, that is for sure, though I know I still need to address this adrenal slow-down in cortisol production. I will continue with the Isocort, licorice root, ashwagandha, ginseng, and pregnenolone. I am already noticing benefits from stopping the caffeine I was consuming with the teas, and taking these new supplements. It's hard to believe that this frequent urination has been helped so much already! I got my hydrocortisone in the mail today from England.

So glad I talked to Dr. first--that was a God watching out for me! I will just store it for future use if needed. I've also created a file in the links section with all of the new adrenal info I have recently posted. I think we are going to need those references! PattyRogene S <saxony01 > wrote: Patty, This is wonderful news! . .. I couldn't imagine that you could be in Stage 7 and stilll doing all the things you're doing! . . . Time to

celebrate! Hugs, Rogene 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick <http://tools.search./shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail & #news> <http://tools.search./shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail & amp;#news> in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. <http://tools.search./shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail & #news> <http://tools.search./shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail & amp;#news> Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://us.rd./evt=48517/*http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 hot CTA = Join our Network Research Panel __________________________________________________

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Yikes, , that is a pretty low ratio, isn't it?!! So are you going to supplement with only progesterone, or with both? Was your estrogen in the normal range? My numbers were Estradiol 8 (5-13) Progesterone 143 (100-300) He says if I supplement, it should be with a very small dose of progesterone, sublingual tablet only. Pattysedwards41255 <sedwards41255@...> wrote: Patty,This is interesting but I am a bit confused. DiagnosTechs gives recommendations with their results. If Dr. Rodes is on the board, then I wonder how he feels about the written recommendations on the test itself. I may call him too....because there are so many different "positions" out there. And my estriol to progesterone ration on this test was2.5 to 1 !>> Dear group,> I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to concerns about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.> > I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands adrenal issues! It

looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but he does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in consulting with him.> > http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/> > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's more like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7 graph. It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning (compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low), so he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They are still producing, just not enough.> > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't be necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally supported through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol

supplementation is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily. Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off, so that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long term, this affects us negatively.> > He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was affected by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks good. My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some people with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let you know.> > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of

progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more like 18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal ranges. But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for progesterone replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body. He recommends sublinguals instead. > > He does have supplements available through his practice. > > I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I retest, I will definitely overnight it.> > So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give you a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation that needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and I think he does.> >

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Patty,

My doctor prescribe a creme with a ratio of a little estradiol and

more progesterone. I forget the exact numbers.

My readings from DiagnosTechs were

Estradiol 13 (1-4)

Progsterone 31 (Range 5-95)

These ranges are for no HRT but I wanted to be in the ranges of HRT

so that maybe I would feel better.

> >

> > Dear group,

> > I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put

> in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to

concerns

> about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and

> results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.

> >

> > I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands

> adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but he

> does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in

consulting

> with him.

> >

> > http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/

> >

> > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he

> did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's

more

> like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the

> morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7 graph.

> It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning

> (compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low), so

> he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They

are

> still producing, just not enough.

> >

> > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't be

> necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally

supported

> through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol

supplementation

> is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily.

> Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is

> because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the

> hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off, so

> that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long term,

> this affects us negatively.

> >

> > He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was affected

> by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks

good.

> My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some

people

> with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited

> about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to

> confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let you

> know.

> >

> > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is

> working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of

> progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more like

> 18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal ranges.

> But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for

progesterone

> replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body. He

> recommends sublinguals instead.

> >

> > He does have supplements available through his practice.

> >

> > I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset

> about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really

> wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I

> retest, I will definitely overnight it.

> >

> > So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give you

> a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation

that

> needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good

> doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and I

> think he does.

> >

> > Patty

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

> story.

> > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

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Patty

I am sending you an email. I think Mark works as a middle

person for the Canary Club. He is not on the board of

DiagnosTechs.

> >

> > Dear group,

> > I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put

> in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to

concerns

> about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and

> results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.

> >

> > I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands

> adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but he

> does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in

consulting

> with him.

> >

> > http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/

> >

> > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he

> did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's

more

> like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the

> morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7 graph.

> It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning

> (compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low), so

> he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They

are

> still producing, just not enough.

> >

> > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't be

> necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally

supported

> through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol

supplementation

> is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily.

> Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is

> because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the

> hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off, so

> that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long term,

> this affects us negatively.

> >

> > He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was affected

> by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks

good.

> My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some

people

> with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited

> about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to

> confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let you

> know.

> >

> > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is

> working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of

> progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more like

> 18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal ranges.

> But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for

progesterone

> replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body. He

> recommends sublinguals instead.

> >

> > He does have supplements available through his practice.

> >

> > I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset

> about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really

> wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I

> retest, I will definitely overnight it.

> >

> > So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give you

> a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation

that

> needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good

> doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and I

> think he does.

> >

> > Patty

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your

> story.

> > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

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Kenda,

Is the sublinqual working better for you than the cream.?

> >>> >

> >>> > Dear group,

> >>> > I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got

put

> >> in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to

concerns

> >> about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and

> >> results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.

> >>> >

> >>> > I found him to be very warm and personable, and he

understands

> >> adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but

he

> >> does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in

consulting

> >> with him.

> >>> >

> >>> > http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/

> >>> >

> >>> > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that

he

> >> did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's

more

> >> like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the

> >> morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7

graph.

> >> It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning

> >> (compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low),

so

> >> he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They

are

> >> still producing, just not enough.

> >>> >

> >>> > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't

be

> >> necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally

supported

> >> through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol

supplementation

> >> is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily.

> >> Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is

> >> because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the

> >> hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off,

so

> >> that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long

term,

> >> this affects us negatively.

> >>> >

> >>> > He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was

affected

> >> by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks

good.

> >> My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some

people

> >> with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited

> >> about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to

> >> confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let

you

> >> know.

> >>> >

> >>> > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is

> >> working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of

> >> progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more

like

> >> 18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal

ranges.

> >> But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for

progesterone

> >> replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body.

He

> >> recommends sublinguals instead.

> >>> >

> >>> > He does have supplements available through his practice.

> >>> >

> >>> > I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset

> >> about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really

> >> wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I

> >> retest, I will definitely overnight it.

> >>> >

> >>> > So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give

you

> >> a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation

that

> >> needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good

> >> doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and

I

> >> think he does.

> >>> >

> >>> > Patty

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> > ---------------------------------

> >>> > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life,

your

> >> story.

> >>> > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> >>> >

> >>

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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Wow, , you are estrogen dominant, aren't you? And very low in progesterone! said I should be looking to be in the HRT target range. I don't see why you need any estradiol at all. You are already at the top there. Looks to me like you need just progesterone to get that to a 30:1 ratio. Patty sedwards41255 <sedwards41255@...> wrote: Patty,My doctor prescribe a creme with a ratio of a little

estradiol and more progesterone. I forget the exact numbers. My readings from DiagnosTechs wereEstradiol 13 (1-4)Progsterone 31 (Range 5-95)These ranges are for no HRT but I wanted to be in the ranges of HRT so that maybe I would feel better.> >> > Dear group,> > I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put > in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to concerns > about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and > results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.> > > > I found him to be very warm and

personable, and he understands > adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but he > does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in consulting > with him.> > > > http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/> > > > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he > did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's more > like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the > morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7 graph. > It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning > (compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low), so > he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They are > still producing, just not enough.> > > > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably

won't be > necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally supported > through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol supplementation > is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily. > Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is > because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the > hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off, so > that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long term, > this affects us negatively.> > > > He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was affected > by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks good. > My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some people > with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited > about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to >

confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let you > know.> > > > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is > working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of > progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more like > 18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal ranges. > But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for progesterone > replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body. He > recommends sublinguals instead. > > > > He does have supplements available through his practice. > > > > I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset > about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really > wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I > retest, I will definitely overnight it.> > > > So,

the bottom line is that while the test results can give you > a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation that > needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good > doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and I > think he does.> > > > Patty> > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > story.> > Play Sims Stories at Games.> >> > > > > > __________________________________________________>

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I specifically asked him about his association with Diagnos-Techs and he said that he was on the Board of Directors. I am not sure why he would mislead me about that. Pattysedwards41255 <sedwards41255@...> wrote: PattyI am sending you an email. I think Mark works as a middle person for the Canary Club. He is not on the board of DiagnosTechs. > >> > Dear group,> > I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put > in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to concerns > about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and > results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.> > > > I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands > adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but he > does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in consulting > with him.> > > > http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/> > > > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he >

did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's more > like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the > morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7 graph. > It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning > (compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low), so > he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They are > still producing, just not enough.> > > > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't be > necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally supported > through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol supplementation > is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily. > Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is > because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the > hormones, and

outside supplementation is going to throw it off, so > that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long term, > this affects us negatively.> > > > He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was affected > by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks good. > My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some people > with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited > about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to > confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let you > know.> > > > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is > working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of > progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more like > 18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal ranges. > But he

cautions heartily against transdermal creams for progesterone > replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body. He > recommends sublinguals instead. > > > > He does have supplements available through his practice. > > > > I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset > about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really > wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I > retest, I will definitely overnight it.> > > > So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give you > a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation that > needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good > doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and I > think he does.> > > > Patty> > > > > >

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I don't know. But I am all " confused " now.And somehow we need to get

to the bottom of it. I think. What do you think?

> > >

> > > Dear group,

> > > I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put

> > in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to

> concerns

> > about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and

> > results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.

> > >

> > > I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands

> > adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but

he

> > does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in

> consulting

> > with him.

> > >

> > > http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/

> > >

> > > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he

> > did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's

> more

> > like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the

> > morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7

graph.

> > It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning

> > (compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low),

so

> > he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They

> are

> > still producing, just not enough.

> > >

> > > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't

be

> > necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally

> supported

> > through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol

> supplementation

> > is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily.

> > Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is

> > because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the

> > hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off,

so

> > that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long

term,

> > this affects us negatively.

> > >

> > > He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was

affected

> > by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks

> good.

> > My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some

> people

> > with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited

> > about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to

> > confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let

you

> > know.

> > >

> > > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is

> > working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of

> > progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more

like

> > 18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal

ranges.

> > But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for

> progesterone

> > replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body.

He

> > recommends sublinguals instead.

> > >

> > > He does have supplements available through his practice.

> > >

> > > I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset

> > about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really

> > wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I

> > retest, I will definitely overnight it.

> > >

> > > So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give

you

> > a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation

> that

> > needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good

> > doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and

I

> > think he does.

> > >

> > > Patty

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life,

your

> > story.

> > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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Not really knowing what the body is truly doing ..I wonder if giving

one...reduces the synthesis of the other and maybe that is why?

> > >

> > > Dear group,

> > > I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put

> > in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to

> concerns

> > about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and

> > results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.

> > >

> > > I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands

> > adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but

he

> > does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in

> consulting

> > with him.

> > >

> > > http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/

> > >

> > > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he

> > did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's

> more

> > like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the

> > morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7

graph.

> > It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning

> > (compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low),

so

> > he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They

> are

> > still producing, just not enough.

> > >

> > > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't

be

> > necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally

> supported

> > through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol

> supplementation

> > is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily.

> > Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is

> > because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the

> > hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off,

so

> > that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long

term,

> > this affects us negatively.

> > >

> > > He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was

affected

> > by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks

> good.

> > My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some

> people

> > with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited

> > about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to

> > confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let

you

> > know.

> > >

> > > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is

> > working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of

> > progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more

like

> > 18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal

ranges.

> > But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for

> progesterone

> > replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body.

He

> > recommends sublinguals instead.

> > >

> > > He does have supplements available through his practice.

> > >

> > > I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset

> > about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really

> > wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I

> > retest, I will definitely overnight it.

> > >

> > > So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give

you

> > a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation

> that

> > needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good

> > doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and

I

> > think he does.

> > >

> > > Patty

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life,

your

> > story.

> > > Play Sims Stories at Games.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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Kenda, Do you happen to have a source for the sublingual progesterone? I bought some online a few years ago, but eegad, they tasted terrible! They seemed to get "old" or something too, got funky, so I threw them away. I have the Lifeflo creme, and I think I may want to get on a sublingual now, in small doses. PattyKenda Skaggs <lovesgoldens@...> wrote: ,Much better.

The cream didn’t increase my hormone levels. I’m back to the same sublingual progesterone that I have been on for years and received my new hormone capsule yesterday in the mail.Kenda Kenda,Is the sublinqual working better for you than the cream.?> >>> >> >>> > Dear group,> >>> > I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put>

>> in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to concerns> >> about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and> >> results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.> >>> > > >>> > I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands> >> adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but he> >> does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in consulting> >> with him.> >>> > > >>> > http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/> >>> > > >>> > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he> >> did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's more> >> like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in

the> >> morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7 graph.> >> It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning> >> (compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low), so> >> he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They are> >> still producing, just not enough.> >>> > > >>> > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't be> >> necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally supported> >> through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol supplementation> >> is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily.> >> Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is> >> because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the> >> hormones, and outside

supplementation is going to throw it off, so> >> that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long term,> >> this affects us negatively.> >>> > > >>> > He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was affected> >> by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks good.> >> My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some people> >> with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited> >> about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to> >> confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let you> >> know.> >>> > > >>> > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is> >> working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of> >> progesterone to

estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more like> >> 18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal ranges.> >> But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for progesterone> >> replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body. He> >> recommends sublinguals instead.> >>> > > >>> > He does have supplements available through his practice.> >>> > > >>> > I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset> >> about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really> >> wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I> >> retest, I will definitely overnight it.> >>> > > >>> > So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give you> >> a picture of your hormone health, there is

some interpretation that> >> needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good> >> doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and I> >> think he does.> >>> > > >>> > Patty> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ---------------------------------> >>> > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your> >> story.> >>> > Play Sims Stories at Games.> >>> >> >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________> >

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Maybe you could talk to him too? Pattysedwards41255 <sedwards41255@...> wrote: I don't know. But I am all "confused" now.And somehow we need to get to the bottom of it. I think. What do you think?> > >> > > Dear group,> > > I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put > > in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to >

concerns > > about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and > > results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.> > > > > > I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands > > adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but he > > does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in > consulting > > with him.> > > > > > http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/> > > > > > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he > > did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's > more > > like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the > > morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7 graph. > > It has a relatively good production of cortisol

in the morning > > (compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low), so > > he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They > are > > still producing, just not enough.> > > > > > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't be > > necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally > supported > > through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol > supplementation > > is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily. > > Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is > > because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the > > hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off, so > > that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long term, > > this affects us negatively.> >

> > > > He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was affected > > by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks > good. > > My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some > people > > with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited > > about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to > > confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let you > > know.> > > > > > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is > > working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of > > progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more like > > 18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal ranges. > > But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for > progesterone > >

replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body. He > > recommends sublinguals instead. > > > > > > He does have supplements available through his practice. > > > > > > I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset > > about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really > > wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I > > retest, I will definitely overnight it.> > > > > > So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give you > > a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation > that > > needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good > > doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and I > > think he does.> > > > > > Patty> > > > > >

> > > ---------------------------------> > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > > story.> > > Play Sims Stories at Games.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________> >

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Something to think about . . . some cancers, in particular breast cancer are estrogen receptive . . i.e. estrogen feeds the cancer. Treatment involves completely shutting down one's estrogen production, or taking meds that prevent its uptake. I tried one of the drugs but found the way I felt on the drug simply wasn't worth it. When you start manipulating the female hormones, be sure you know what you are doing . . . My doctor told me that there is only one molecule difference between being male or female. . . Scary! Rogene

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Yep, I refused to take those drugs

post-cancer. 17+ years, I think I was right.

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At 12:30 PM 5/18/2007, you wrote:

>Something to think about . . . some cancers, in

>particular breast cancer are estrogen receptive

>. . i.e. estrogen feeds the cancer. Treatment

>involves completely shutting down one's estrogen

>production, or taking meds that prevent its

>uptake. I tried one of the drugs but found the

>way I felt on the drug simply wasn't worth it.

>

>When you start manipulating the female hormones,

>be sure you know what you are doing . . .

>

>My doctor told me that there is only one

>molecule difference between being male or female. . . Scary!

>

>Rogene

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Yes, probably so. I don't know what he charges. I didn't ask him. It works out to $240 an hour, which is steep, but I am sure is similar to that charged by others who do consulting work (that are overpriced.) You could email him yourself and ask about his credentials. Pattyhomemadesoaper <lovesgoldens@...> wrote: I just checked out Dr. ' website. Does he really charge $4.00 per minute? What kind of credentials does he have? My ND is licensed and holds a PhD and charges

nearly half that amount, in addition to giving away a lot of free time. may be knowledgeable but he seems WAY overpriced and unaffordable to most.Kenda>> Nope, that doesn't bother me at all. Smart is smart, and if he knows his stuff, it doesn't matter what his title is. He does testing and consultations, so it's not like he doesn't treat people.> Patty> > sedwards41255 <sedwards41255@...> wrote:> Patty,> Does it bother you at all that he is a PhD in biological research > rather than a medical doctor? ummmm...I think I will look into him > further. > > > > >> > Dear group,> > I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put > in touch

with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to concerns > about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and > results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.> > > > I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands > adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but he > does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in consulting > with him.> > > > http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/> > > > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he > did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal fatigue. He said it's more > like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the > morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7 graph. > It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning > (compared to the rest of

the day, even though it is still low), so > he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They are > still producing, just not enough.> > > > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't be > necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally supported > through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol supplementation > is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily. > Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is > because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the > hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off, so > that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long term, > this affects us negatively.> > > > He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was affected > by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks good.

> My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some people > with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited > about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to > confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let you > know.> > > > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is > working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of > progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more like > 18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal ranges. > But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for progesterone > replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body. He > recommends sublinguals instead. > > > > He does have supplements available through his practice. > > > > I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my

upset > about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really > wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I > retest, I will definitely overnight it.> > > > So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give you > a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation that > needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good > doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and I > think he does.> > > > Patty> > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > story.> > Play Sims Stories at Games.> >> > > > > > __________________________________________________>

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Kenda, By the way, I received this letter from Dr. yesterday. Feel free to come up with some questions for me to ask him! Any and all submissions will be considered! Everyone is welcome to ask a question, and I will pick 8 of them for him to reply to. Patty Hey, Patty. I just read through a few of the recent posts on your group. If you want, why don't you prepare about 6, or 8 questions for me that would apply to the group. I'll try to answer them. You can edit as necessary and post them back. Only if you want to... Mark Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: Yes, probably so. I don't know what he charges. I didn't ask him. It works out to $240 an hour, which is steep, but I am sure is similar to that charged by others who do consulting work (that are overpriced.) You could email him yourself and ask about his credentials. Pattyhomemadesoaper <lovesgoldensgmail> wrote: I just checked out Dr. ' website. Does he really charge $4.00 per minute? What kind of credentials does he have? My ND is licensed and holds a PhD and charges nearly half that amount, in addition to giving away a lot of free time. may be knowledgeable but he seems WAY overpriced and unaffordable to most.Kenda>> Nope, that doesn't bother me at all. Smart is smart, and if he knows his stuff, it doesn't matter what his title is. He does testing and consultations, so it's not like he doesn't treat people.> Patty> > sedwards41255 <sedwards41255@...> wrote:> Patty,> Does it bother you at all that he is a PhD in biological research > rather than a medical doctor? ummmm...I think I will look into him > further. > > > > >> > Dear group,> > I just got off the phone with a very, very nice man. I got put > in touch with him when I called Diagnos-Techs in regards to concerns > about my adrenal hormone, thyroid and sex hormone tests and > results. He is on the Board of Directors for Diagnos-Techs.> > > > I found him to be very warm and personable, and he understands > adrenal issues! It looks like he is in the state of Oregon, but he > does consultations worldwide, if anyone is interested in consulting > with him.> > > > http://www.drmarkrhodes.com/> > > > Basically, he looked at my results with me, and shared that he > did not believe I was in Stage 7 adrenal

fatigue. He said it's more > like Stage 4 or 5. The clue was my first cortisol reading in the > morning. My cortisol is not flatlined, like in the stage 7 graph. > It has a relatively good production of cortisol in the morning > (compared to the rest of the day, even though it is still low), so > he said that shows my adrenals are not flat out exhausted. They are > still producing, just not enough.> > > > He also suggested that HC replacement therapy probably won't be > necessary right now, but that my adrenals could be totally supported > through herbs and nutritional supplements. Cortisol supplementation > is to be used as a last resort, and even then, only temporarily. > Even Isocort should be used carefully he said. The reason is > because the brain is always monitoring what is going on with the > hormones, and outside supplementation is going to throw it off, so

> that while we may feel better in the short term, in the long term, > this affects us negatively.> > > > He said my thyroid looks good. The only thing that was affected > by the lag in the mail was my TSH, which actually still looks good. > My TPO Antibodies was negative! He said that over time, some people > with Hashimoto's can go negative permanently! So, I am excited > about that, and I probably will do some additonal blood work to > confirm whether or not my antibodies are indeed gone. I'll let you > know.> > > > All in all, my test results look fairly good. My thyroid is > working well. My sex hormones are slightly deficient in ratio of > progesterone to estrogen, (they should be 30:1 . Mine wa more like > 18:1) even though each individual number is in the normal ranges. > But he cautions heartily against transdermal creams for progesterone

> replacement, due to the fact that it can build up in the body. He > recommends sublinguals instead. > > > > He does have supplements available through his practice. > > > > I'm really glad I got to talk to him. It assuaged my upset > about the timing issues of my test, and revealed that it really > wasn't that bad of a test result overall. In the future, if I > retest, I will definitely overnight it.> > > > So, the bottom line is that while the test results can give you > a picture of your hormone health, there is some interpretation that > needs to be done to tell the whole picture. It does take a good > doctor who understands the hormonal dance that is going on, and I > think he does.> > > > Patty> > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Moody friends. Drama queens.

Your life? Nope! - their life, your > story.> > Play Sims Stories at Games.> >> > > > > > __________________________________________________>

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We have a bunch of silent members! . . . From all walks of life. . . including manufacturers! Rogene DGRAHAMA@... wrote: Maybe a silent board member??? See what's free at AOL.com.

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