Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Hello everyone, My mother was officially diagnosed about two years ago with LBD, but was showing signs for about four (4) years. She is really having a difficult time with energy. She is always so tired that she can hardly walk across the floor without needing to sit. I don't know if this is part of LBD or something else. I make sure she takes her medication that will make her sleepy at night. She has been like this for about three weeks. This past Sunday it was like the movie Awakening. She woke up completely like her old self. Then about four hours later, she was in bed. This past October she was walking about two (2) miles a day. As I have read all your emails, I see that everything can change very quickly. My mother is becoming very depressed at her loss of ability to get up and move around. Does anyone know if there is something that can help? I thought about taking her to the YMCA for some water exercise; of course I would be with her. Does anything like this work? She can become very confused and it is difficult for her to find the words she wants to say, but for the most part, she is very aware of her decline. When things affect her emotionally like this, I find it hard to think of anything else. I keep searching and searching for ways to help. I would really appreciate it if you might have some suggestions. Thanks for being there and willing to share your knowledge and experience. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Robin, And others, if you find things changing dramatically, I would sure check and see if she has a UTI. But she also may need to have her meds changed. She may be on to many or to much. That changes over time too. Just my thoughts. Hugs, and Happy New Year everyone. Donna R Caregiver for Mom for 3 years and 4th year in a nh. (In MI) She was almost 89 when she died in '02. No dx other than mine. Question for the Group Hello everyone, My mother was officially diagnosed about two years ago with LBD, but was showing signs for about four (4) years. She is really having a difficult time with energy. She is always so tired that she can hardly walk across the floor without needing to sit. I don't know if this is part of LBD or something else.� I make sure she takes her medication that will make her sleepy at night. She has been like this for about��three weeks. This past Sunday it was like the movie Awakening. She woke up completely like her old self. Then about four hours later, she was in bed. This past October she was walking about two (2) miles a day. As I have read all your emails, I see that everything can change very quickly. My mother is becoming very depressed at her loss of ability to get up and move around. Does anyone know if there is something that can help? I thought about taking her to the YMCA for some water exercise;�of course I would be with her. Does anything like this work? She can become very confused and it is difficult for her to find the words she wants to say, but for the most part, she is very aware of her decline. When things affect her emotionally like this, I find it hard to think of anything else. I keep searching and searching for ways to help. I would really appreciate it if you might have some suggestions. Thanks for being there and willing to share your knowledge and experience. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 robin first like donna said have her checked for uti as a person who caregave for my daddy and now also diagnosed with lbd i can tell you that the weather has a direct affect on my mood and behavior also we have learned whenever daddy or now me strggles for words dont just throw out wild guesses out because that makes me madder and then less able to talk so it gets worse ask questions ask me to point at what im talking about. Work with me admit it if you have no clue dont laugh and say something like oh it mustnt have been that impt anyway thats the best way to get me to staybinside myself. Also think about when i am confused and we both know i know you are my spouse etc think how terrified and alone i feel when i ndont recognize u or my pet my home take care and hugs sharon Donna Mido wrote: > > Robin, > And others, if you find things changing dramatically, I would sure check and see if she has a UTI. But she also may need to have her meds changed. She may be on to many or to much. That changes over time too. > Just my thoughts. > Hugs, and Happy New Year everyone. > Donna R > Caregiver for Mom for 3 > years and 4th year in a nh. > (In MI) > She was almost 89 when she > died in '02. No dx other > than mine. > Question for the Group > Hello everyone, > My mother was officially diagnosed about two years ago with LBD, but was showing signs for about four (4) years. She is really having a difficult time with energy. She is always so tired that she can hardly walk across the floor without needing to sit. I don't know if this is part of LBD or something else.� I make sure she takes her medication that will make her sleepy at night. She has been like this for about��three weeks. This past Sunday it was like the movie Awakening. She woke up completely like her old self. Then about four hours later, she was in bed. This past October she was walking about two (2) miles a day. > As I have read all your emails, I see that everything can change very quickly. My mother is becoming very depressed at her loss of ability to get up and move around. Does anyone know if there is something that can help? I thought about taking her to the YMCA for some water exercise;�of course I would be with her. Does anything like this work? > She can become very confused and it is difficult for her to find the words she wants to say, but for the most part, she is very aware of her decline. When things affect her emotionally like this, I find it hard to think of anything else. I keep searching and searching for ways to help. > I would really appreciate it if you might have some suggestions. > Thanks for being there and willing to share your knowledge and experience. > Robin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Sharon, Thanks for that perspective from the 'LBDer'. Caregivers and LOs don't have that perspective and I think that will help everyone to keep their LOs calmer...after all, isn't it stress that makes the confusion worse? God bless everyone on this forum, Hugs and prayers, Joan > > > > Robin, > > And others, if you find things changing dramatically, I would sure check and see if she has a UTI. But she also may need to have her meds changed. She may be on to many or to much. That changes over time too. > > Just my thoughts. > > Hugs, and Happy New Year everyone. > > Donna R > > Caregiver for Mom for 3 > > years and 4th year in a nh. > > (In MI) > > She was almost 89 when she > > died in '02. No dx other > > than mine. > > Question for the Group > > Hello everyone, > > My mother was officially diagnosed about two years ago with LBD, but was showing signs for about four (4) years. She is really having a difficult time with energy. She is always so tired that she can hardly walk across the floor without needing to sit. I don't know if this is part of LBD or something else.� I make sure she takes her medication that will make her sleepy at night. She has been like this for about��three weeks. This past Sunday it was like the movie Awakening. She woke up completely like her old self. Then about four hours later, she was in bed. This past October she was walking about two (2) miles a day. > > As I have read all your emails, I see that everything can change very quickly. My mother is becoming very depressed at her loss of ability to get up and move around. Does anyone know if there is something that can help? I thought about taking her to the YMCA for some water exercise;�of course I would be with her. Does anything like this work? > > She can become very confused and it is difficult for her to find the words she wants to say, but for the most part, she is very aware of her decline. When things affect her emotionally like this, I find it hard to think of anything else. I keep searching and searching for ways to help. > > I would really appreciate it if you might have some suggestions. > > Thanks for being there and willing to share your knowledge and experience. > > Robin > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 thanks for your help, I have seen others talking about the UTI, but I had not thought about it. Do you happen to know how having a UTI would impact these types of symptoms? Robin ________________________________ To: " twomido@... " Cc: " LBDcaregivers " <LBDcaregivers > Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 10:34:52 PM Subject: Re: Question for the Group  robin first like donna said have her checked for uti as a person who caregave for my daddy and now also diagnosed with lbd i can tell you that the weather has a direct affect on my mood and behavior also we have learned whenever daddy or now me strggles for words dont just throw out wild guesses out because that makes me madder and then less able to talk so it gets worse ask questions ask me to point at what im talking about. Work with me admit it if you have no clue dont laugh and say something like oh it mustnt have been that impt anyway thats the best way to get me to staybinside myself. Also think about when i am confused and we both know i know you are my spouse etc think how terrified and alone i feel when i ndont recognize u or my pet my home take care and hugs sharon Donna Mido wrote: >  > Robin, > And others, if you find things changing dramatically, I would sure check and see if she has a UTI. But she also may need to have her meds changed. She may be on to many or to much. That changes over time too. > Just my thoughts. > Hugs, and Happy New Year everyone. > Donna R > Caregiver for Mom for 3 > years and 4th year in a nh. > (In MI) > She was almost 89 when she > died in '02. No dx other > than mine. > Question for the Group > Hello everyone, > My mother was officially diagnosed about two years ago with LBD, but was showing signs for about four (4) years. She is really having a difficult time with energy. She is always so tired that she can hardly walk across the floor without needing to sit. I don't know if this is part of LBD or something else.� I make sure she takes her medication that will make her sleepy at night. She has been like this for about��three weeks. This past Sunday it was like the movie Awakening. She woke up completely like her old self. Then about four hours later, she was in bed. This past October she was walking about two (2) miles a day. > As I have read all your emails, I see that everything can change very quickly. My mother is becoming very depressed at her loss of ability to get up and move around. Does anyone know if there is something that can help? I thought about taking her to the YMCA for some water exercise;�of course I would be with her. Does anything like this work? > She can become very confused and it is difficult for her to find the words she wants to say, but for the most part, she is very aware of her decline. When things affect her emotionally like this, I find it hard to think of anything else. I keep searching and searching for ways to help. > I would really appreciate it if you might have some suggestions. > Thanks for being there and willing to share your knowledge and experience. > Robin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Hello Robin, Any type of infection and or fever will have a greater effect on the LBD LO. So even if you don't realize at first that your LO is ill, the first signs may well be all the things you have written about. Also have her blood pressure checked on a regular basis. Extreme LOW blood pressure is also a part of the LBD sym. About 2 1/2 years ago my husband was having many of the sym. you describe and I took him to the Dr. His blood pressure was 58/38 and the medical personal about came unglued (to say the least). Now his bp had always been low (aroung 90/60) his whole life, so that is why he was still able to walk with a walker that day. But remember that low blood pressure can be a problem,and it gets even LOWER when they stand up. My husband was on meds to keep his bp up for the rest of his life. He passed away 11/27/09. Also, LBD LO will often get dehydrated easily, and you will see some of the same sym. Hope this helps some. Hang in there and know that you can only take care of your LO if you are in good health, so also take some time for you. Sherry in Colorado > >  > > Robin, > > And others, if you find things changing dramatically, I would sure check and see if she has a UTI. But she also may need to have her meds changed. She may be on to many or to much. That changes over time too. > > Just my thoughts. > > Hugs, and Happy New Year everyone. > > Donna R > > Caregiver for Mom for 3 > > years and 4th year in a nh. > > (In MI) > > She was almost 89 when she > > died in '02. No dx other > > than mine. > > Question for the Group > > Hello everyone, > > My mother was officially diagnosed about two years ago with LBD, but was showing signs for about four (4) years. She is really having a difficult time with energy. She is always so tired that she can hardly walk across the floor without needing to sit. I don't know if this is part of LBD or something else.� I make sure she takes her medication that will make her sleepy at night. She has been like this for about��three weeks. This past Sunday it was like the movie Awakening. She woke up completely like her old self. Then about four hours later, she was in bed. This past October she was walking about two (2) miles a day. > > As I have read all your emails, I see that everything can change very quickly. My mother is becoming very depressed at her loss of ability to get up and move around. Does anyone know if there is something that can help? I thought about taking her to the YMCA for some water exercise;�of course I would be with her. Does anything like this work? > > She can become very confused and it is difficult for her to find the words she wants to say, but for the most part, she is very aware of her decline. When things affect her emotionally like this, I find it hard to think of anything else. I keep searching and searching for ways to help. > > I would really appreciate it if you might have some suggestions. > > Thanks for being there and willing to share your knowledge and experience. > > Robin > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Sherry, Thank you so much. Mom does have low blood pressure and has been on meds for awhile for that. She was recently taken off, but we must get a BP cuff to watch it. I was just at her house and was telling her about the UTI comments and she told me of some symptoms that she was having. We are going to check with her doctor next week. It is so nice to have a place to ask questions and know there are people who have, or are, experiencing the same thing. You are right, in order to help our LO, we must remain healthy ourselves. I am finding it more and more difficult to keep it together, but there are so many other things in our lives. They say God will not give you more than you can handle! He is challenging me!. Thanks again, Robin ________________________________ To: LBDcaregivers Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 4:31:22 PM Subject: Re: Question for the Group  Hello Robin, Any type of infection and or fever will have a greater effect on the LBD LO. So even if you don't realize at first that your LO is ill, the first signs may well be all the things you have written about. Also have her blood pressure checked on a regular basis. Extreme LOW blood pressure is also a part of the LBD sym. About 2 1/2 years ago my husband was having many of the sym. you describe and I took him to the Dr. His blood pressure was 58/38 and the medical personal about came unglued (to say the least). Now his bp had always been low (aroung 90/60) his whole life, so that is why he was still able to walk with a walker that day. But remember that low blood pressure can be a problem,and it gets even LOWER when they stand up. My husband was on meds to keep his bp up for the rest of his life. He passed away 11/27/09. Also, LBD LO will often get dehydrated easily, and you will see some of the same sym. Hope this helps some. Hang in there and know that you can only take care of your LO if you are in good health, so also take some time for you. Sherry in Colorado > >  > > Robin, > > And others, if you find things changing dramatically, I would sure check and see if she has a UTI. But she also may need to have her meds changed. She may be on to many or to much. That changes over time too. > > Just my thoughts. > > Hugs, and Happy New Year everyone. > > Donna R > > Caregiver for Mom for 3 > > years and 4th year in a nh. > > (In MI) > > She was almost 89 when she > > died in '02. No dx other > > than mine. > > Question for the Group > > Hello everyone, > > My mother was officially diagnosed about two years ago with LBD, but was showing signs for about four (4) years. She is really having a difficult time with energy. She is always so tired that she can hardly walk across the floor without needing to sit. I don't know if this is part of LBD or something else.� I make sure she takes her medication that will make her sleepy at night. She has been like this for about��three weeks. This past Sunday it was like the movie Awakening. She woke up completely like her old self. Then about four hours later, she was in bed. This past October she was walking about two (2) miles a day. > > As I have read all your emails, I see that everything can change very quickly. My mother is becoming very depressed at her loss of ability to get up and move around. Does anyone know if there is something that can help? I thought about taking her to the YMCA for some water exercise;�of course I would be with her. Does anything like this work? > > She can become very confused and it is difficult for her to find the words she wants to say, but for the most part, she is very aware of her decline. When things affect her emotionally like this, I find it hard to think of anything else. I keep searching and searching for ways to help. > > I would really appreciate it if you might have some suggestions. > > Thanks for being there and willing to share your knowledge and experience. > > Robin > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 robin i am not sure why utis are so prevalent with lbders but it has been a common denmoniator for drastic changes of prsonality that they or we get utis. I am en exception to this because i have chronic kidney issues but we saw it with daddy he never complained about burning pee or ran afever but sure enough would have a uti quite often sorry i couldnt get give more info hugs sharon Robin Nuthman-Green wrote: > > thanks for your help, I have seen others talking about the UTI, but I had not thought about it. Do you happen to know how having a UTI would impact these types of symptoms? > Robin > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Sharon Murray < ladyandhertramp@ yahoo.com > > To: " twomidowebtv (DOT) net " < twomidowebtv (DOT) net > > Cc: " LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups. com " < LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 10:34:52 PM > Subject: Re: Question for the Group > > robin first like donna said have her checked for uti as a person who caregave for my daddy and now also diagnosed with lbd i can tell you that the weather has a direct affect on my mood and behavior also we have learned whenever daddy or now me strggles for words dont just throw out wild guesses out because that makes me madder and then less able to talk so it gets worse ask questions ask me to point at what im talking about. Work with me admit it if you have no clue dont laugh and say something like oh it mustnt have been that impt anyway thats the best way to get me to staybinside myself. Also think about when i am confused and we both know i know you are my spouse etc think how terrified and alone i feel when i ndont recognize u or my pet my home take care and hugs sharon > Donna Mido wrote: >> >> Robin, >> And others, if you find things changing dramatically, I would sure check and see if she has a UTI. But she also may need to have her meds changed. She may be on to many or to much. That changes over time too. >> Just my thoughts. >> Hugs, and Happy New Year everyone. >> Donna R >> Caregiver for Mom for 3 >> years and 4th year in a nh. >> (In MI) >> She was almost 89 when she >> died in '02. No dx other >> than mine. >> Question for the Group >> Hello everyone, >> My mother was officially diagnosed about two years ago with LBD, but was showing signs for about four (4) years. She is really having a difficult time with energy. She is always so tired that she can hardly walk across the floor without needing to sit. I don't know if this is part of LBD or something else.� I make sure she takes her medication that will make her sleepy at night. She has been like this for about��three weeks. This past Sunday it was like the movie Awakening. She woke up completely like her old self. Then about four hours later, she was in bed. This past October she was walking about two (2) miles a day. >> As I have read all your emails, I see that everything can change very quickly. My mother is becoming very depressed at her loss of ability to get up and move around. Does anyone know if there is something that can help? I thought about taking her to the YMCA for some water exercise;�of course I would be with her. Does anything like this work? >> She can become very confused and it is difficult for her to find the words she wants to say, but for the most part, she is very aware of her decline. When things affect her emotionally like this, I find it hard to think of anything else. I keep searching and searching for ways to help. >> I would really appreciate it if you might have some suggestions. >> Thanks for being there and willing to share your knowledge and experience. >> Robin >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Thank you Sharon, I spoke with my mother and I believe she may have some symptoms of UTI. We are going to get with her dr next week. Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it. Robin ________________________________ To: " robinnuthmangreen@... " Cc: " LBDcaregivers " <LBDcaregivers > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 9:44:01 PM Subject: Re: Question for the Group  robin i am not sure why utis are so prevalent with lbders but it has been a common denmoniator for drastic changes of prsonality that they or we get utis. I am en exception to this because i have chronic kidney issues but we saw it with daddy he never complained about burning pee or ran afever but sure enough would have a uti quite often sorry i couldnt get give more info hugs sharon Robin Nuthman-Green wrote: >  > thanks for your help, I have seen others talking about the UTI, but I had not thought about it. Do you happen to know how having a UTI would impact these types of symptoms? > Robin > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Sharon Murray < ladyandhertramp@ yahoo.com > > To: " twomidowebtv (DOT) net " < twomidowebtv (DOT) net > > Cc: " LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups. com " < LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 10:34:52 PM > Subject: Re: Question for the Group >  > robin first like donna said have her checked for uti as a person who caregave for my daddy and now also diagnosed with lbd i can tell you that the weather has a direct affect on my mood and behavior also we have learned whenever daddy or now me strggles for words dont just throw out wild guesses out because that makes me madder and then less able to talk so it gets worse ask questions ask me to point at what im talking about. Work with me admit it if you have no clue dont laugh and say something like oh it mustnt have been that impt anyway thats the best way to get me to staybinside myself. Also think about when i am confused and we both know i know you are my spouse etc think how terrified and alone i feel when i ndont recognize u or my pet my home take care and hugs sharon > Donna Mido wrote: >>  >> Robin, >> And others, if you find things changing dramatically, I would sure check and see if she has a UTI. But she also may need to have her meds changed. She may be on to many or to much. That changes over time too. >> Just my thoughts. >> Hugs, and Happy New Year everyone. >> Donna R >> Caregiver for Mom for 3 >> years and 4th year in a nh. >> (In MI) >> She was almost 89 when she >> died in '02. No dx other >> than mine. >> Question for the Group >> Hello everyone, >> My mother was officially diagnosed about two years ago with LBD, but was showing signs for about four (4) years. She is really having a difficult time with energy. She is always so tired that she can hardly walk across the floor without needing to sit. I don't know if this is part of LBD or something else.� I make sure she takes her medication that will make her sleepy at night. She has been like this for about��three weeks. This past Sunday it was like the movie Awakening. She woke up completely like her old self. Then about four hours later, she was in bed. This past October she was walking about two (2) miles a day. >> As I have read all your emails, I see that everything can change very quickly. My mother is becoming very depressed at her loss of ability to get up and move around. Does anyone know if there is something that can help? I thought about taking her to the YMCA for some water exercise;�of course I would be with her. Does anything like this work? >> She can become very confused and it is difficult for her to find the words she wants to say, but for the most part, she is very aware of her decline. When things affect her emotionally like this, I find it hard to think of anything else. I keep searching and searching for ways to help. >> I would really appreciate it if you might have some suggestions. >> Thanks for being there and willing to share your knowledge and experience. >> Robin >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 robin good you may talk to your doctor about givng you what is called a standing order to test for uti since this is the most common infection that lbders get that way u can go to your lab and have one done as soon as u suspect it and get it treated sooner that is what i have because i have chronic kidney infections hugs sharon Robin Nuthman-Green wrote: > > Thank you Sharon, > I spoke with my mother and I believe she may have some symptoms of UTI. We are going to get with her dr next week. Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it. > Robin > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Sharon Murray < ladyandhertramp@ yahoo.com > > To: " robinnuthmangreen@ yahoo.com " < robinnuthmangreen@ yahoo.com > > Cc: " LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups. com " < LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 9:44:01 PM > Subject: Re: Question for the Group > > robin i am not sure why utis are so prevalent with lbders but it has been a common denmoniator for drastic changes of prsonality that they or we get utis. I am en exception to this because i have chronic kidney issues but we saw it with daddy he never complained about burning pee or ran afever but sure enough would have a uti quite often sorry i couldnt get give more info hugs sharon > Robin Nuthman-Green wrote: >> >> thanks for your help, I have seen others talking about the UTI, but I had not thought about it. Do you happen to know how having a UTI would impact these types of symptoms? >> Robin >> ____________ _________ _________ __ >> From: Sharon Murray < ladyandhertramp@ yahoo.com > >> To: " twomidowebtv (DOT) net " < twomidowebtv (DOT) net > >> Cc: " LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups. com " < LBDcaregivers@ yahoogroups.. com > >> Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 10:34:52 PM >> Subject: Re: Question for the Group >> >> robin first like donna said have her checked for uti as a person who caregave for my daddy and now also diagnosed with lbd i can tell you that the weather has a direct affect on my mood and behavior also we have learned whenever daddy or now me strggles for words dont just throw out wild guesses out because that makes me madder and then less able to talk so it gets worse ask questions ask me to point at what im talking about. Work with me admit it if you have no clue dont laugh and say something like oh it mustnt have been that impt anyway thats the best way to get me to staybinside myself. Also think about when i am confused and we both know i know you are my spouse etc think how terrified and alone i feel when i ndont recognize u or my pet my home take care and hugs sharon >> Donna Mido wrote: >>> >>> Robin, >>> And others, if you find things changing dramatically, I would sure check and see if she has a UTI. But she also may need to have her meds changed. She may be on to many or to much. That changes over time too. >>> Just my thoughts. >>> Hugs, and Happy New Year everyone. >>> Donna R >>> Caregiver for Mom for 3 >>> years and 4th year in a nh. >>> (In MI) >>> She was almost 89 when she >>> died in '02. No dx other >>> than mine.. >>> Question for the Group >>> Hello everyone, >>> My mother was officially diagnosed about two years ago with LBD, but was showing signs for about four (4) years. She is really having a difficult time with energy. She is always so tired that she can hardly walk across the floor without needing to sit. I don't know if this is part of LBD or something else.� I make sure she takes her medication that will make her sleepy at night. She has been like this for about��three weeks. This past Sunday it was like the movie Awakening. She woke up completely like her old self. Then about four hours later, she was in bed. This past October she was walking about two (2) miles a day. >>> As I have read all your emails, I see that everything can change very quickly. My mother is becoming very depressed at her loss of ability to get up and move around. Does anyone know if there is something that can help? I thought about taking her to the YMCA for some water exercise;�of course I would be with her. Does anything like this work? >>> She can become very confused and it is difficult for her to find the words she wants to say, but for the most part, she is very aware of her decline. When things affect her emotionally like this, I find it hard to think of anything else. I keep searching and searching for ways to help. >>> I would really appreciate it if you might have some suggestions. >>> Thanks for being there and willing to share your knowledge and experience. >>> Robin >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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