Adrenal fatigue

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> Hence my Adrenal suppossedly works, yet I still crash after

excercise

You and about half the other mercury toxic people around.

Healthy adrenals don't do any good if your pituitary doesn't tell them

to make cortisol when you need it - a point unfortunately lost on most

endocrinologists.

>

> Does anyone know if there is a test that checks CRH and/or ACTH

output/

> . I suspect that mercury is blocking these pathways and therefore

the

> signals to the adrenal as indicated in Andy's book and I am trying

to

> confirm it

The test is described in my book.

Test for ACTH (this is a standard lab test at least in the US, but

ccan be expensive), do intense exercise and test for ACTH again in

about the next 15 minutes.

Intense exercise is, e. g. 5-10 sets of weight lifting to failure.

A normal response is for ACTH to start in the normal range and rise

well above the normal range (which is for resting, unstressed people).

Testing for cortisol before and 1/2 hour after exercise also works if

you can't get an ACTH test but it is somewhat less sensitive. Again,

with serious stress cortisol should start in the normal range and rise

well out of it.

This test is most sensitive in the afternoon when cortisol and ACTH

are naturally low.

If you have a paradoxical response this test will really wipe you out

- if the doc is caring he will give you some hydrocortisone or

prednisone after it if you are having problems.

Most doc's do understand enough endocrinology to realize that ACTH and

cortisol should rise A LOT given intense exercise stress, and that if

they don't go up it is a big problem. Unfortunately there aren't

norms for this test. If you have the problem, however, it is seldom

ambiguous. Usually ACTH and cortisol don't go up very much, if at

all, and they may even decline.

Andy

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Andy

As per your last post it is therefore more important that we determine

the levels of ACTH to see if we have Paradoxical Stress Response rather

then Adrenal Fatigue. (page 32 Figure 4 in your book is brilliant as far

as gaining understanding).

Is the ACTH test called the metyrapom stimulation test?

In the meantime one can take cortisol to alliviate the symptoms correct

Andy - Do you have any thoughts on the value of taking DHEA, Pregnolone

and Licorice or does this just stimulate the adrenal which is fine in a

Paradoxical situation anyway?

For a highly toxic mercury person ( I had a blood level of 30 versus a

refernce range of 20 and your book says that anyone with a blood reading

at all is on bad shape) - how long does ot take for the endocrine

pathways to start working since I am in month 4. I also have a bad liver

according to the Liver Detox Profile. My question is do we have any idea

in what order things start getting fixed?

Thanks

[ ] Re: Adrenal Fatigue

> Hence my Adrenal suppossedly works, yet I still crash after

excercise

You and about half the other mercury toxic people around.

Healthy adrenals don't do any good if your pituitary doesn't tell them

to make cortisol when you need it - a point unfortunately lost on most

endocrinologists.

>

> Does anyone know if there is a test that checks CRH and/or ACTH

output/

> . I suspect that mercury is blocking these pathways and therefore

the

> signals to the adrenal as indicated in Andy's book and I am trying

to

> confirm it

The test is described in my book.

Test for ACTH (this is a standard lab test at least in the US, but

ccan be expensive), do intense exercise and test for ACTH again in

about the next 15 minutes.

Intense exercise is, e. g. 5-10 sets of weight lifting to failure.

A normal response is for ACTH to start in the normal range and rise

well above the normal range (which is for resting, unstressed people).

Testing for cortisol before and 1/2 hour after exercise also works if

you can't get an ACTH test but it is somewhat less sensitive. Again,

with serious stress cortisol should start in the normal range and rise

well out of it.

This test is most sensitive in the afternoon when cortisol and ACTH

are naturally low.

If you have a paradoxical response this test will really wipe you out

- if the doc is caring he will give you some hydrocortisone or

prednisone after it if you are having problems.

Most doc's do understand enough endocrinology to realize that ACTH and

cortisol should rise A LOT given intense exercise stress, and that if

they don't go up it is a big problem. Unfortunately there aren't

norms for this test. If you have the problem, however, it is seldom

ambiguous. Usually ACTH and cortisol don't go up very much, if at

all, and they may even decline.

Andy

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> Andy

> As per your last post it is therefore more important that we

determine

> the levels of ACTH to see if we have Paradoxical Stress Response

rather

> then Adrenal Fatigue. (page 32 Figure 4 in your book is brilliant as

far

> as gaining understanding).

> Is the ACTH test called the metyrapom stimulation test?

No. The ACTH test is called the ACTH test. They test for ACTH levels

in blood. Typically plasma.

>

> In the meantime one can take cortisol to alliviate the symptoms

correct

> Andy - Do you have any thoughts on the value of taking DHEA,

Pregnolone

> and Licorice or does this just stimulate the adrenal which is fine

in a

> Paradoxical situation anyway?

All of these are fine. If you take DHEA and licorice you need less

cortisol.

Things like cortisol and prednisone (a synthetic variant of it) are

prescription only in the US so people sometimes need work-arounds.

>

> For a highly toxic mercury person ( I had a blood level of 30 versus

a

> refernce range of 20 and your book says that anyone with a blood

reading

> at all is on bad shape) - how long does ot take for the endocrine

> pathways to start working since I am in month 4. I also have a bad

liver

> according to the Liver Detox Profile. My question is do we have any

idea

> in what order things start getting fixed?

It can take a year or two.

Typically your liver will improve first. It depends on what is up

with your liver. The " fast phase 1 " stuff can take a long time to go

away, but usually is noticeably better in the first few months.

> Thanks

>

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Andy and

I " d just like to throw a spanner in the works here. I have been following your

posts and agree with everything you both said but I have read that taking

Prednisone is not good for the adrenals in the long term. Taking prednisone

makes it harder for the adrenals to repair naturally. The author of the paper I

attach suggests ACE (adrenal cortical extract) is a far better option. I guess

it depends on what has caused the adrenal failure. ACE gives the adrenals a

rest and allows them to repair by slowing the ACTH production. In other words

the pituitary stops flogging the dead horse for a while. I have found a number

of other authors that support this theory also. I will keep following this with

interest because my adrenals took a real hammering with the mercury poisoning

and that was two years ago, they are still not recovered and I keep wondering

what to do. I have taken prednisone on several occasions, when I stop it my

symptoms come back worse which is exactly what this author suggests. The aim is

to produce natural adrenal gland function and I think ACE could be a good start.

Read over the paper and see what you think.

Regards

Stidolph.

[ ] Re: Adrenal Fatigue

> Hence my Adrenal suppossedly works, yet I still crash after

excercise

You and about half the other mercury toxic people around.

Healthy adrenals don't do any good if your pituitary doesn't tell them

to make cortisol when you need it - a point unfortunately lost on most

endocrinologists.

>

> Does anyone know if there is a test that checks CRH and/or ACTH

output/

> . I suspect that mercury is blocking these pathways and therefore

the

> signals to the adrenal as indicated in Andy's book and I am trying

to

> confirm it

The test is described in my book.

Test for ACTH (this is a standard lab test at least in the US, but

ccan be expensive), do intense exercise and test for ACTH again in

about the next 15 minutes.

Intense exercise is, e. g. 5-10 sets of weight lifting to failure.

A normal response is for ACTH to start in the normal range and rise

well above the normal range (which is for resting, unstressed people).

Testing for cortisol before and 1/2 hour after exercise also works if

you can't get an ACTH test but it is somewhat less sensitive. Again,

with serious stress cortisol should start in the normal range and rise

well out of it.

This test is most sensitive in the afternoon when cortisol and ACTH

are naturally low.

If you have a paradoxical response this test will really wipe you out

- if the doc is caring he will give you some hydrocortisone or

prednisone after it if you are having problems.

Most doc's do understand enough endocrinology to realize that ACTH and

cortisol should rise A LOT given intense exercise stress, and that if

they don't go up it is a big problem. Unfortunately there aren't

norms for this test. If you have the problem, however, it is seldom

ambiguous. Usually ACTH and cortisol don't go up very much, if at

all, and they may even decline.

Andy

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> Thanks

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[Guest guest]

The following info is probably not applicable to everyone with adrenal

fatigue, but it is interesting anyway.

My adrenals were shot - extremely low cortisol levels and severe

hypoglycemia (ranged from 10-50 mg/dl). I went to a feng shui seminar and I

spoke briefly to the instructor during the break about NAET, and he looked

at me and told me that I had low chi in my spleen and I didn't need NAET. I

went to a doctor who stimulated a spleen meridian point near my ankle. A

wave of euphoria engulfed my body. About a month later, I stepped on the

scale and saw that I had gained 20lbs. I gained another 20lbs within the

next few months. I was underweight, 6ft 138lbs, now I am about 178lbs. I

figured something was up, so I tested my blood sugar and it was in the range

of 80-110 mg/dl.

That was about 4 years ago. My blood sugar is still under control and I feel

a million times better. Plus my life (and wallet) don't revolve around

eating massive quantities of food anymore.

I just got Andy's book and it has a great section on adrenal problems. I

plan on starting to tackle my mercury problem again. I had done

intramuscular injections of DMPS about 5 years ago and that kicked my a**.

-Dan

[Guest guest]

Janet,

Thank you so very much for your very helpful information!!!! Do you think

that even though the counting rules indicate NO Mercury that this child could

still have mercury toxicity? Yes, he has amalgans in 4 baby teeth (or 6?)

and his mom has amalgams. He did breast feed but he had many, many problems.

What is the possibility that this all connects to a Copper Imbalance? I found

reference to that.

Thanks again,

in Salt Lake City

[Guest guest]

> Thank you so very much for your very helpful information!!!! Do you

think

> that even though the counting rules indicate NO Mercury that this

child could

> still have mercury toxicity?

This can be true. No test is perfect. Numbers on a piece of paper

are not a perfect reflection of a real flesh and bloood human being.

The likelihood isn't that large, and having a normal test I would

suggest immediately checking certain other problems, but the most

definitive way to check is trial chelation.

>Yes, he has amalgans in 4 baby teeth (or 6?)

which unfortunatley can't be done while he has amalgams, so more

relevant testing is in order.

> and his mom has amalgams. He did breast feed but he had many, many

problems.

> What is the possibility that this all connects to a Copper

Imbalance?

Extremely unlikely given the hair test results. Less likely than that

he has mercury tox I would say. But not impossible. . .. .

>I found reference to that.

>

> Thanks again,

>

> in Salt Lak

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Andy,

Just so I know, this information I found online about hair mineral analysis

was from an article by Lawrence , MD. He wrote " Nutritional Balancing

and Hair Mineral Analysis, " in addition to other books. He practices in

Prescott, AZ. Is he someone you are familiar with? If so, what do you think

about his idea about hidden copper imbalance? He says high hair calcium and

low hair potassium may indicate a copper imbalance even if hair copper is in

the normal range. In another article on Copper Toxicity Syndrome on the

www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.html site he states

that " Several indirect indicators on a hair mineral test are also excellent

to detect copper imbalance. These include a hair calcium level greater than

100 mg per 100 grams [or 1,000 micrograms/gram], a potassium level less than

3 mg per 100 grams [or 30 micrograms per gram] , a sodium potassium ratio

less than 2.5:1, a zinc/copper ratio less than 6:1, an elevated mercury level

or a copper level less than 1.0 mg per 100 grams [10 micrograms per gram]. "

His punctuation and wording left me unsure if all of the parameters must be

true but mercury or copper levels can be as indicted; or if any one of the

parameters can be true.

My friend's child, Vikram had some that fit and some that did not.

Hair calcium--407micrograms per gram WHICH IS NOT > 1000

Hair Potassium--<3 micrograms per gram WHICH IS < 30

Sodium/Potassium--0.667 WHICH IS < 2.5:1

Zinc/Copper--20.9 WHICH IS NOT < 6:1

Elevated mercury--0.17 micrograms per gram WHICH IS < 1.0

Elevated Copper--11 micrograms per gram WHICH IS NOT < 1.0

So the results are yes and no. Is Lawrence someone who does credible

work? If so, the yes and no of Vikram's results still leave me wondering

about him having a copper imbalance. Maybe you can clear this up.

I feel so responsible to my friend because I encouraged her to have a hair

test for Vikram so she would know if he has mercury toxicity or not. Now I

feel like they are back to going around the game board visiting this doctor

and that to determine what is going on with their son. As all of us know

that walk is so exhausting, so expensive, and so hard on our kids. But what

is the alternative?

Thanks for all you do, ANDY! We all adore you.

in Salt Lake City

[Guest guest]

> Just so I know, this information I found online about hair mineral

analysis

> was from an article by Lawrence , MD. He wrote " Nutritional

Balancing

> and Hair Mineral Analysis, " in addition to other books. He

practices in

> Prescott, AZ. Is he someone you are familiar with? If so, what do

you think

> about his idea about hidden copper imbalance? He says high hair

calcium and

> low hair potassium may indicate a copper imbalance even if hair

copper is in

> the normal range. In another article on Copper Toxicity Syndrome on

the

> www.drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.html site he

states

> that " Several indirect indicators on a hair mineral test are also

excellent

> to detect copper imbalance. These include a hair calcium level

greater than

> 100 mg per 100 grams [or 1,000 micrograms/gram], a potassium level

less than

> 3 mg per 100 grams [or 30 micrograms per gram] , a sodium potassium

ratio

> less than 2.5:1, a zinc/copper ratio less than 6:1, an elevated

mercury level

> or a copper level less than 1.0 mg per 100 grams [10 micrograms per

gram]. "

> His punctuation and wording left me unsure if all of the parameters

must be

> true but mercury or copper levels can be as indicted; or if any one

of the

> parameters can be true.

Dr. does not appear to be distinguishing copper intoxication

and mercury intoxication. Some of the indicators he lists are for

mercury and NOT copper.

Clinically, mercury and copper tox are very similar.

>

> My friend's child, Vikram had some that fit and some that did not.

> Hair calcium--407micrograms per gram WHICH IS NOT > 1000

> Hair Potassium--<3 micrograms per gram WHICH IS < 30

> Sodium/Potassium--0.667 WHICH IS < 2.5:1

> Zinc/Copper--20.9 WHICH IS NOT < 6:1

> Elevated mercury--0.17 micrograms per gram WHICH IS < 1.0

> Elevated Copper--11 micrograms per gram WHICH IS NOT < 1.0

>

> So the results are yes and no. Is Lawrence someone who does

credible

> work? If so, the yes and no of Vikram's results still leave me

wondering

> about him having a copper imbalance. Maybe you can clear this up.

What you have quoted of Dr. 's work is far from convincing.

Especially since I have seen lots of hair tests of copper toxicc and

mercury toxic and mixed toxic people and his description doesn't go

along with what I saw. Or with what treatment they responded to.

>

> I feel so responsible to my friend because I encouraged her to have

a hair

> test for Vikram so she would know if he has mercury toxicity or not.

Well, tests are often ambiguous. Actually this one looked about as

non-mercury as I have seen so if there are any other avenues to check

I would do so at this point. But I have on rare occasion known of a

kid with a " normal " hair test to respoond to chelation. i have

certainly known many with normal hair tests who were chelated a lot

and nothing good happened, too. So exploring is in order. And maybe

trial chelation, but if a few rounds don't do anything then it is back

to the drawing board.

> Now I

> feel like they are back to going around the game board visiting this

doctor

> and that to determine what is going on with their son. As all of us

know

> that walk is so exhausting, so expensive, and so hard on our kids.

But what

> is the alternative?

Let the mainstream doc's pat you on the head and save up for a trust

fund because your kid has no hope of getting better. Given that, the

expense and uncertainty are well worth putting up with. . . . . .

>

> Thanks for all you do, ANDY! We all adore you.

>

> in Salt Lake City

>

>

>

>

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On 5/20/06, Ernst <rachelernst.com@...> wrote:

> Does taking freeze-dried adrenal glands like the stuff you find at

> http://www.drrons.com/product-list.htm actually affect the adrenals? I

> can see where the glands taken as a food provide more vitamins,

> minerals, fats, etc. as a food, but do they also have some sort of

> hormonal action? It seems like there are some things that just

> wouldn't work to take orally, that you would have to inject something,

> maybe?

The steroids in the adrenal gland can be taken orally. The adrenaline

might get digested because it is amino-acid-based, but I'm not sure.

I have a friend who ate a whole raw adreanal gland and had quite an

overdose experience that sounded to me like it was from adrenaline.

There are also structural proteins and whatnot that are apparently

beneficial. Dr. Ron read an experiment done in the 1970s where

radiolabeled proteins from organs were found to accumulate in the

corresponding organs of (humans? animals?) who ate them. Normally I

would think the proteins just get broken down and wind up wherever,

but this study seems to suggest otherwise. I haven't actually seen it

myself.

Glands also store nutrients in a presumably highly usable form, so

glandulars would presumably be a great multivitamin.

Chris

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A Case For Vegetarianism?

Find Out the Truth:

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html

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Dr. Cowan recommends some products from Standard Process in his book. They

are basically from bovine glands with salt and vitamin c. I have been

working on healing my adrenal's as well and he says it could take up to six

months. It is important to add good sea salt to your water and Vitamin C.

There are two easy ways to check for adrenal fatigue, one is to take your

blood pressure after sitting down or laying to down for 5 minutes. When you

stand up if your blood pressure drops instead of staying the same or going

up, it is a sign of adrenal fatigue. Another way is the go in a dark room

and take a flashlight and shine it into the eyes from the side (not straight

on). If your pupil does not constrict or it does a little and then dilates

again and is unable to constrict again, it is a sign of adrenal fatigue. The

adrenals control this muscle action and if it does not work you have adrenal

fatigue. I have not done the blood pressure thing because I don't have a

blood pressure cuff but I have done the eye thing and my pupils stay dilated

and I can see they are trying to constrict.

Allyn

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adrenal fatigue

I think I have had " adrenal fatigue " since the age of 26. (I'm now 31

and pregnant with my 2nd baby). I have recently become motivated to

start adressing this issue. I'm sure my husband also has adrenal

fatigue. For both of us, it is most certainly related to stress. We

had a doctor tell us that most Americans experience adrenal fatigue by

age 28. It took a couple of years to identify my own fatigue, but I

looked back a few years ago and somehow came up with age 26 as when it

became noticable in me.

I am wondering what I can do to address it, besides TRYING to go with

a WAP style diet. I do the best I can given that I'm in a period of

life that involves intense hands-on parenting with (almost) two kids

in diapers, when just getting food in our stomachs is sometimes the

best I can do. At least we are mostly organic and somewhat

pasture-fed. I am relying on supplements a lot to get us through, but

working within a budget, too. (I just posted also about minerals)

When trying to follow the WAP/NT diet becomes more of a stress than a

joy, I question the value. Like I said, I do my best and have a long

way to go to implement some of the NT components.

QUESTIONS:

Does taking freeze-dried adrenal glands like the stuff you find at

http://www.drrons.com/product-list.htm actually affect the adrenals? I

can see where the glands taken as a food provide more vitamins,

minerals, fats, etc. as a food, but do they also have some sort of

hormonal action? It seems like there are some things that just

wouldn't work to take orally, that you would have to inject something,

maybe?

Should I see a doctor for hormone balancing? What kind of doctor?

Should I try to go to Dr. Mercola himself?

Where do I begin?

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I've had the same problem for some time now.

This is what I've come up with:

LOTS of vitamin C! The adrenals love vit C. Try sauerkraut, very

high, and Amla-C (an entirely whole foods supplements--dried and

ground amla berries).

Always eat protein before your carbs at each meal, even if it's just

a snack. Avoid beans, too starchy. For carbs, try the less starchy

ones of course.

Bone broths, celtic sea salt, azomite powder (cheap!).

For stress, get the book " How to win by quitting " . For parenting

issues, try Noelle's website www.joyfulparenting.com

Above all, rest when you have to, and always try and get plenty sleep

every night. This is probably the most crucial change you can make.

There's a good book on adrenal fatigue, called " Adrenal Fatigue:

something... " Sorry I can't quite remember the title. Something with

21st century. Lots of practical tips.

Good luck.

>

> I think I have had " adrenal fatigue " since the age of 26. (I'm now

31

> and pregnant with my 2nd baby). I have recently become motivated to

> start adressing this issue. I'm sure my husband also has adrenal

> fatigue. For both of us, it is most certainly related to stress. We

> had a doctor tell us that most Americans experience adrenal fatigue

by

> age 28. It took a couple of years to identify my own fatigue, but I

> looked back a few years ago and somehow came up with age 26 as when

it

> became noticable in me.

>

> I am wondering what I can do to address it, besides TRYING to go

with

> a WAP style diet. I do the best I can given that I'm in a period of

> life that involves intense hands-on parenting with (almost) two kids

> in diapers, when just getting food in our stomachs is sometimes the

> best I can do. At least we are mostly organic and somewhat

> pasture-fed. I am relying on supplements a lot to get us through,

but

> working within a budget, too. (I just posted also about minerals)

> When trying to follow the WAP/NT diet becomes more of a stress than

a

> joy, I question the value. Like I said, I do my best and have a long

> way to go to implement some of the NT components.

>

> QUESTIONS:

>

> Does taking freeze-dried adrenal glands like the stuff you find at

> http://www.drrons.com/product-list.htm actually affect the

adrenals? I

> can see where the glands taken as a food provide more vitamins,

> minerals, fats, etc. as a food, but do they also have some sort of

> hormonal action? It seems like there are some things that just

> wouldn't work to take orally, that you would have to inject

something,

> maybe?

>

> Should I see a doctor for hormone balancing? What kind of doctor?

> Should I try to go to Dr. Mercola himself?

>

> Where do I begin?

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Micheal Marasco. he's supposed to be really good.

[Guest guest]

I've been on this GABA kick lately, researching GABA and the amino

acid butyric acid. GABA is related to the adrenals because it

breaks the stress cycle by absorbing the adrenaline and raising the

serotonin. http://www.add-becalmd.com/24989/science.shtml

GABA/butyric acid are manufactured in the gut by friendly bacteria.

But the problem is that because of the processed foods that are a

main part of the typical American diet our friendly bacteria often

die off to be replaced by candida and other less helpful bacteria

and yeasts. It seems to me after looking into this that many, many

Americans are GABA deficient, and actually it's an indication of

unhealty flora in the gut.

GABA is widely available in most health food stores and is a short-

term stop-gap to break the stress cycle and bring some balance and

sanity to our lives, but the real long-term cure is to stop eating

processed foods, especially ones that have enzyme-inhibitors in them

and eat more live, unprocessed, and fermented foods to rebalance the

gut.

S. Boulardii seems to be another good way to quickly restore order

as what I've been reading seems to indicate that it can wipe out a

candida problem pretty effectively, without causing any other

problems (many candida remedies also harm the good yeast and

bacteria, making it more possible for colonization of bad bacteria

like s. dificile and making it harder to establish the good

bacteria/yeast balance).

Taking high doses of the vitamin C can help tremendously, especially

with natural salt, which is harmless to many good bacteria but the

bad ones don't like it. If the vitamin C causes gas, candida is

likely and the s. boulardii may be helpful.

Sometimes digestive upset and diarrhea can result as the body tries

to establish a new balance. It should resolve in around a month.

Anyhoo, that's the short version of my last month of research.

- Renate

>

> I think I have had " adrenal fatigue " since the age of 26. (I'm now

31

> and pregnant with my 2nd baby). I have recently become motivated to

> start adressing this issue. I'm sure my husband also has adrenal

> fatigue. For both of us, it is most certainly related to stress. We

> had a doctor tell us that most Americans experience adrenal

fatigue by

> age 28. It took a couple of years to identify my own fatigue, but I

> looked back a few years ago and somehow came up with age 26 as

when it

> became noticable in me.

>

> I am wondering what I can do to address it, besides TRYING to go

with

> a WAP style diet. I do the best I can given that I'm in a period of

> life that involves intense hands-on parenting with (almost) two

kids

> in diapers, when just getting food in our stomachs is sometimes the

> best I can do. At least we are mostly organic and somewhat

> pasture-fed. I am relying on supplements a lot to get us through,

but

> working within a budget, too. (I just posted also about minerals)

> When trying to follow the WAP/NT diet becomes more of a stress

than a

> joy, I question the value. Like I said, I do my best and have a

long

> way to go to implement some of the NT components.

>

> QUESTIONS:

>

> Does taking freeze-dried adrenal glands like the stuff you find at

> http://www.drrons.com/product-list.htm actually affect the

adrenals? I

> can see where the glands taken as a food provide more vitamins,

> minerals, fats, etc. as a food, but do they also have some sort of

> hormonal action? It seems like there are some things that just

> wouldn't work to take orally, that you would have to inject

something,

> maybe?

>

> Should I see a doctor for hormone balancing? What kind of doctor?

> Should I try to go to Dr. Mercola himself?

>

> Where do I begin?

>

[Guest guest]

,

I have been suffering from such adrenal fatigue for a year now that

I haven't worked in nine months. I'll share a couple of things I

have learned along the way. I went to see Dr.Rind who is supposedly

the adrenal expert and I'm sure he has helped a lot of people but

his office is so busy and it is so insanely expensive that dealing

with it has been nothing but stressful. Whenever he speaks to me,

it's very fast and he does the majority of the talking and very

little listening. I saw him last November and really felt that he

was not understanding how bad my adrenals were. Finally about a

month ago, I got him to prescribe some hydrocortisone to me. Read up

on that.

After reading what I read about it, I can not believe he didn't

prescribe it to me sooner. I was so bad too, I got this awful dry

tongue, I was nauseous 23 out of 24 hours for like a month straight.

I couldn't even walk around the block. I would lie down with the

phone next to me thinking if I started to have an addisonian crisis,

I could call 911. He knew all of this. I have only read good things

about hydrocortisone, and how it builds up the reserves in your

adrenals so they can rest and heal and then you can go off of it.

Pretty amazing.

The supplements he really recommends are licorice (early in the am)

and progesterone (at night), if you want to follow what he does for

other people. Also there is a problem creating HCL in the stomach

for adrenally deficient people so taking enzymes with that in it

makes sense and will make the food you spend a lot of money on go

further.

What has helped me the most so far is taking Gaba, as someone else

wrote, and melatonin but the interesting thing is that I think

brands make the biggest difference here.

You will keep getting a neverending list of what supplements to take

b/c the adrenals do so damn much in the body and I guess require a

lot. Magnesium is very important as well. Salt is huge. What

helped me the least is trying to space my meals out longer

(Mastering Leptin). I got the book and it almost killed me. I have

severe hypoglycemia and what has helped a lot is the gel from chia

seeds. I have been taking standard process adrenal supplementation

and I have not seen a difference, but it could be your cure.

Also you may want to check out your heavy metals b/c if you look at

the symptoms of heavy metals next to the symptoms of adrenal

fatigue, it's identical. This may be why I have not responded to any

of the supplementation. In a way this was a good thing b/c I had to

get worse to find out how poisoned with mercury I was. 36 on the

dmps test. This becomes another story at this point, right ?

You may want to take something for thyroid support as well... this

is starting to get complicated.

I have been to 3 holistic doctors, one holistic nurse practitioner,

an allopathic medical doctor (useless of course) and Dr. Rind MD and

of course my holistic dentist who knew the most believe it or not.

It seems like it's just a matter of the right combo of supplements

and hydorcortisone. If you are in bed before 10 pm, you are doing

awesome.

If you are still with me, know this, you are already on the right

track. It's easy to get crazy about this as I definitely have.

Somewhere in the mush that makes up my brain I believe that once

your body is on board and has the intention straight (for you

resting your adrenals)it will get better. The right people will

come your way. Maybe will even let you come visit her in

Redondo Beach which helped me a lot and Ron Blouch might be able to

do energy work on you, or Idol will help you rehabilitate your

esophygeal flap or JK will send you some Ultra Core Rx. You'll know

through trial and error what's meant for you to try. Not to be

cheesy but the answers lie in you, not in surrendering your care

over to any practitioner. That's what I have learned and I hope it

helps you.

take care,

>

> I think I have had " adrenal fatigue " since the age of 26. (I'm now

31

> and pregnant with my 2nd baby). I have recently become motivated to

> start adressing this issue. I'm sure my husband also has adrenal

> fatigue. For both of us, it is most certainly related to stress. We

> had a doctor tell us that most Americans experience adrenal

fatigue by

> age 28. It took a couple of years to identify my own fatigue, but I

> looked back a few years ago and somehow came up with age 26 as

when it

> became noticable in me.

>

> I am wondering what I can do to address it, besides TRYING to go

with

> a WAP style diet. I do the best I can given that I'm in a period of

> life that involves intense hands-on parenting with (almost) two

kids

> in diapers, when just getting food in our stomachs is sometimes the

> best I can do. At least we are mostly organic and somewhat

> pasture-fed. I am relying on supplements a lot to get us through,

but

> working within a budget, too. (I just posted also about minerals)

> When trying to follow the WAP/NT diet becomes more of a stress

than a

> joy, I question the value. Like I said, I do my best and have a

long

> way to go to implement some of the NT components.

>

> QUESTIONS:

>

> Does taking freeze-dried adrenal glands like the stuff you find at

> http://www.drrons.com/product-list.htm actually affect the

adrenals? I

> can see where the glands taken as a food provide more vitamins,

> minerals, fats, etc. as a food, but do they also have some sort of

> hormonal action? It seems like there are some things that just

> wouldn't work to take orally, that you would have to inject

something,

> maybe?

>

> Should I see a doctor for hormone balancing? What kind of doctor?

> Should I try to go to Dr. Mercola himself?

>

> Where do I begin?

>

[Guest guest]

On 5/22/06, crayfishfeed <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

> What

> helped me the least is trying to space my meals out longer

> (Mastering Leptin). I got the book and it almost killed me.

*Reading* the book almost killed me.

I'm sorry it didn't work for you. Thank you for the data point,

because so far I've only heard good things from people's experience

with it.

Chris

--

Dioxins in Animal Foods:

A Case For Vegetarianism?

Find Out the Truth:

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html

[Guest guest]

I think I was just too broken to try it at the time. The book made

good sense though and I really wanted it to work. Who wants to eat

every few hours?!

>

> > What

> > helped me the least is trying to space my meals out longer

> > (Mastering Leptin). I got the book and it almost killed me.

>

> *Reading* the book almost killed me.

>

> I'm sorry it didn't work for you. Thank you for the data point,

> because so far I've only heard good things from people's experience

> with it.

>

> Chris

> --

> Dioxins in Animal Foods:

> A Case For Vegetarianism?

> Find Out the Truth:

> http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html

>

[Guest guest]

,

I think you said you are in your 3rd trimester? I used this WAP diet for my last

baby (he's 5 mo now) and had terrific results. But, I used alot of suppliments

as well. Don't get stressed about changing everything at once, but do get plenty

of protein and eat whole foods...not processed. Stay away from sugar and keep

the carbs low..make sure they are whole foods, not processed white bread, etc.

blessings, ct

adrenal fatigue

I think I have had " adrenal fatigue " since the age of 26. (I'm now 31

and pregnant with my 2nd baby). I have recently become motivated to

start adressing this issue. I'm sure my husband also has adrenal

fatigue. For both of us, it is most certainly related to stress. We

had a doctor tell us that most Americans experience adrenal fatigue by

age 28. It took a couple of years to identify my own fatigue, but I

looked back a few years ago and somehow came up with age 26 as when it

became noticable in me.

I am wondering what I can do to address it, besides TRYING to go with

a WAP style diet. I do the best I can given that I'm in a period of

life that involves intense hands-on parenting with (almost) two kids

in diapers, when just getting food in our stomachs is sometimes the

best I can do. At least we are mostly organic and somewhat

pasture-fed. I am relying on supplements a lot to get us through, but

working within a budget, too. (I just posted also about minerals)

When trying to follow the WAP/NT diet becomes more of a stress than a

joy, I question the value. Like I said, I do my best and have a long

way to go to implement some of the NT components.

QUESTIONS:

Does taking freeze-dried adrenal glands like the stuff you find at

http://www.drrons.com/product-list.htm actually affect the adrenals? I

can see where the glands taken as a food provide more vitamins,

minerals, fats, etc. as a food, but do they also have some sort of

hormonal action? It seems like there are some things that just

wouldn't work to take orally, that you would have to inject something,

maybe?

Should I see a doctor for hormone balancing? What kind of doctor?

Should I try to go to Dr. Mercola himself?

Where do I begin?

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.... Maybe will even let you come visit her in

> Redondo Beach which helped me a lot ...

,

if one is especially fortunate, Furbish will extend an invite to

southern France--je ne regrette pas!

B.

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On 5/24/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

> ... Maybe will even let you come visit her in

> > Redondo Beach which helped me a lot ...

>

> ,

> if one is especially fortunate, Furbish will extend an invite to

> southern France--je ne regrette pas!

> B.

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On May 22, 2006, at 11:17 AM, crayfishfeed wrote:

> I went to see Dr.Rind who is supposedly

> the adrenal expert and I'm sure he has helped a lot of people but

> his office is so busy and it is so insanely expensive that dealing

> with it has been nothing but stressful. Whenever he speaks to me,

> it's very fast and he does the majority of the talking and very

> little listening.

Thanks for the tip; I had dreamed of the day I could afford him.

> I got him to prescribe some hydrocortisone to me.

Must h. be prescribned?

>

> What has helped me the most so far is taking Gaba, as someone else

> wrote, and melatonin but the interesting thing is that I think

> brands make the biggest difference here.

What brand of Gaba do you take and where did you order?

>

> Also you may want to check out your heavy metals b/c if you look at

> the symptoms of heavy metals next to the symptoms of adrenal

> fatigue, it's identical.

I have a mouth full of mercury with no $ to take it out. I try to eat

fermented cabbage etc. and it reacts with the metal so that I can only

take a couple of mouthsful before I freak.

>

> You may want to take something for thyroid support as well

I belong to Kaiser and they finally did prescribe meds. But of course I

don't know if they're the really right ones for me and Kaiser doesn't

bother with adrenal issues. I take.075mg Levothroid.

My lab test just came back yesterday and it said:

TSA 2.0uIU/mL normal is .2 - 5.5

Free T4(Analog) 1.2ng/dL normal is .8 - 1.7

" A high TSH indicates an underactive thyroid.

A low TSH indicates either an overactive thyroid or too much thyroid

medication "

>

> JK will send you some Ultra Core Rx.

What's Ultra Core Rx?

I wish I could do bone broth more than once a month. I feel it is a

must.

Your path has been difficult and I hope you succeed in finding what you

need. I hope for me that my fatigue can be cured and that my breast

cancer won't come back. Feel deperate. People like you give me hope.

Thanks.

>

Parashis

artpages@...

zine:

artpagesonline.com

portfolio:

http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html

[Guest guest]

Many in my lyme group are taking artemisinin for parasitic co-

infections. It wipes out malaria as well. I found some interesting

research on it being studied for preventing breast cancer because it

kills cancer cells on contact. You can go to www.holleypharma.com

for more info.

>

> > I went to see Dr.Rind who is supposedly

> > the adrenal expert and I'm sure he has helped a lot of people but

> > his office is so busy and it is so insanely expensive that

dealing

> > with it has been nothing but stressful. Whenever he speaks to

me,

> > it's very fast and he does the majority of the talking and very

> > little listening.

>

> Thanks for the tip; I had dreamed of the day I could afford him.

>

> > I got him to prescribe some hydrocortisone to me.

>

> Must h. be prescribned?

> >

> > What has helped me the most so far is taking Gaba, as someone

else

> > wrote, and melatonin but the interesting thing is that I think

> > brands make the biggest difference here.

>

> What brand of Gaba do you take and where did you order?

> >

> > Also you may want to check out your heavy metals b/c if you look

at

> > the symptoms of heavy metals next to the symptoms of adrenal

> > fatigue, it's identical.

>

> I have a mouth full of mercury with no $ to take it out. I try to

eat

> fermented cabbage etc. and it reacts with the metal so that I can

only

> take a couple of mouthsful before I freak.

> >

> > You may want to take something for thyroid support as well

>

> I belong to Kaiser and they finally did prescribe meds. But of

course I

> don't know if they're the really right ones for me and Kaiser

doesn't

> bother with adrenal issues. I take.075mg Levothroid.

>

> My lab test just came back yesterday and it said:

>

> TSA 2.0uIU/mL normal is .2 - 5.5

> Free T4(Analog) 1.2ng/dL normal is .8 - 1.7

>

> " A high TSH indicates an underactive thyroid.

> A low TSH indicates either an overactive thyroid or too much

thyroid

> medication "

> >

> > JK will send you some Ultra Core Rx.

>

> What's Ultra Core Rx?

>

> I wish I could do bone broth more than once a month. I feel it is

a

> must.

>

> Your path has been difficult and I hope you succeed in finding

what you

> need. I hope for me that my fatigue can be cured and that my

breast

> cancer won't come back. Feel deperate. People like you give me

hope.

>

> Thanks.

> >

> Parashis

> artpages@...

> zine:

> artpagesonline.com

>

> portfolio:

> http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html

>

[Guest guest]

> Must h. be prescribned?

Yes but I don't think it will be that hard to get someone to do it.

I found a Nurse practitioner here in Miami who is holistic and

inexpensive. I took the Jeffries book my dentist lent me and

lent it to her. She deals with a lot of adrenal patients so I think

the book will help her help others as well as me which is a cool

though. Thanks to the Dentist!

>

> What brand of Gaba do you take and where did you order?

Brain Calm with passion flower. Call 888.231path.

> I have a mouth full of mercury with no $ to take it out. I try to

eat

> fermented cabbage etc. and it reacts with the metal so that I can

only

> take a couple of mouthsful before I freak.

I am the queen of no money right now, so like Dawson, I'm

putting the dental expense on the credit card and my dentist is

extra expensive b/c of his credentials but I know this is my

problem. If you don't have room on your credit card... I don't know

what to say, anyone else have ideas?

> > You may want to take something for thyroid support as well

>

> I belong to Kaiser and they finally did prescribe meds. But of

course I

> don't know if they're the really right ones for me and Kaiser

doesn't

> bother with adrenal issues. I take.075mg Levothroid.

>

> My lab test just came back yesterday and it said:

>

> TSA 2.0uIU/mL normal is .2 - 5.5

> Free T4(Analog) 1.2ng/dL normal is .8 - 1.7

>

> " A high TSH indicates an underactive thyroid.

> A low TSH indicates either an overactive thyroid or too much

thyroid

> medication "

I asked Rind about taking meds for my thyroid and he said if I was

to be prescribed armor or something like it, I would go into

complete adrenal failure. I don't know why. He put me on

Thytrophin b/c supposedly I have a weak thyroid. YOu can get on

www.spinelife.com

>> What's Ultra Core Rx?

It's just a multivitamin type drink. It's not the best I have ever

seen i.e uses cyanocobalamin instead of methyl but it's the thought

that counted big time.

> Thanks.

> >

> Parashis

> artpages@...

> zine:

> artpagesonline.com

>

> portfolio:

> http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kenda,

I will talk to my doctor about this. I was aware of Isocort. How

long have you been taking this and are your adrenals adaptable or

not?

>

> Yes, I have adrenal exhaustion as well. Licorice did nothing for

me. I

> take Isocort, which has been a life saver for me. I feel

completely normal

> when I take it, with a lot of energy. One problem with Isocort,

or any drug

> for that matter, is that when my liver wasn't functioning well a

few years

> ago, I could only tolerate 1/4 of one tablet. My dose now is 6

tablets in

> the morning and 3 in the afternoon!

>

> You might do a web search and buy it on line if your doc doesn't

carry it.

> I'd do this instead of hydrocortisone, as Isocort does the same

thing in the

> body.

>

> Kenda

>

>

> > I found out yesterday I am in stage 5 of adrenal fatique. No

surprise

> > really since this is the way I have felt the last few months and

since

> > it often goes along with Hypothyroidism. Has anyone else been

> > diagnosed with this and if so, did you ever get your adrenals

back in

> > shape.?

> > Dr. is putting me on physiological doses of hydrocortisone....20

mgs

> > thru out the day. She did this instead of licorice and natural

things

> > because my cortisol is almost zero at 4:00 in the afternoon.

> >

> > All this time I spent " exercising " , I was doing my damage than

good,

> > since exercise depletes cortisol reserves. It also explains

> > the " water retention " , bloated feeling, pains in joints....etc.

> > I am really hoping this is the last thing I need to correct!

> >

> > If our bodies become so stressed due to implants that we end up

with

> > thyroid problems, chances are it will lead to adrenal gland

problems.

> > And ladies, my doctor did not find this. I did. I contacted a

lab

> > thru a website to do the saliva testing. It was the same lab my

own

> > doctor used over 2 years ago...so it is a valid lab.

> >

> > Lesson I learned: Don't expect our doctors to find out what is

wrong

> > with us. We have to be proactive diligent and " analyst " about

our

> > health especially after implants. (and my doctor is a holistic

> > doctor!!!!!!)

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have been taking Isocort for three years. My understanding is that

licorice feeds the adrenals but Isocort is more like a supplement to fill in

the gap your failing adrenals leave. Similar to Thyroid medication, it

doesn't help the thyroid but it helps you to feel better. Feeding my

adrenals didn't help, Isocort does. In lab tests, my adrenals are still

crashing.

Kenda

> Thanks Kenda,

> I will talk to my doctor about this. I was aware of Isocort. How

> long have you been taking this and are your adrenals adaptable or

> not?

>

>

>

>>

>> Yes, I have adrenal exhaustion as well. Licorice did nothing for

> me. I

>> take Isocort, which has been a life saver for me. I feel

> completely normal

>> when I take it, with a lot of energy. One problem with Isocort,

> or any drug

>> for that matter, is that when my liver wasn't functioning well a

> few years

>> ago, I could only tolerate 1/4 of one tablet. My dose now is 6

> tablets in

>> the morning and 3 in the afternoon!

>>

>> You might do a web search and buy it on line if your doc doesn't

> carry it.

>> I'd do this instead of hydrocortisone, as Isocort does the same

> thing in the

>> body.

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>

>>> I found out yesterday I am in stage 5 of adrenal fatique. No

> surprise

>>> really since this is the way I have felt the last few months and

> since

>>> it often goes along with Hypothyroidism. Has anyone else been

>>> diagnosed with this and if so, did you ever get your adrenals

> back in

>>> shape.?

>>> Dr. is putting me on physiological doses of hydrocortisone....20

> mgs

>>> thru out the day. She did this instead of licorice and natural

> things

>>> because my cortisol is almost zero at 4:00 in the afternoon.

>>>

>>> All this time I spent " exercising " , I was doing my damage than

> good,

>>> since exercise depletes cortisol reserves. It also explains

>>> the " water retention " , bloated feeling, pains in joints....etc.

>>> I am really hoping this is the last thing I need to correct!

>>>

>>> If our bodies become so stressed due to implants that we end up

> with

>>> thyroid problems, chances are it will lead to adrenal gland

> problems.

>>> And ladies, my doctor did not find this. I did. I contacted a

> lab

>>> thru a website to do the saliva testing. It was the same lab my

> own

>>> doctor used over 2 years ago...so it is a valid lab.

>>>

>>> Lesson I learned: Don't expect our doctors to find out what is

> wrong

>>> with us. We have to be proactive diligent and " analyst " about

> our

>>> health especially after implants. (and my doctor is a holistic

>>> doctor!!!!!!)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>

>