Re: discussion format/new discussion group

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Your new list is a good idea

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> To: 12-step-freeegroups

> Subject: discussion format/new discussion group

> Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 2:21 PM

>

> paul diener wrote:

> >

> > It would seem there are three types of posters here. 1) those who

wonder about AA, or some other specific group (these are often people who

think AA, etc, works for some folks, but who are currently questioning

whether it will work for them). 2) those who see the entire 12-Step

movement as a dangerous cult, which is being coercively forced upon

millions via government, employer and treatment industry officials. 3)

those who see the 12-Step movement as itself merely a particularly visible

symptom of a broader cultural change: America's vast politico-cultural

" Spiritual Revolution " (myself, of course, and also a few others who have

expressed especial interest in this broader pattern of change). These are

three very different areas of interest, and even imply quite different

presuppositions as to what AA, say, is all about. The question is: what

is appropriate in this forum?

>

> ,

>

> This post of yours gave me an idea. Why not another list? So now there

> is a 12 Steps and Politics list. The description is:

>

> ____________________________

>

> 12 Steps and Politics is an unmoderated discussion of the twelve-step

> groups (e.g. Alcoholics Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous, Codependents

> Anonymous) from a political and social perspective.

>

> Group Moderator: 12-steps-and-politics-owneregroups

>

> To subscribe, send a message to

> 12-steps-and-politics-subscribeegroups or go to this e-group's home

> page at /list/12-steps-and-politics

>

> __________________________________

>

> At the moment it has only one subscriber (me) but hopefully that will

> change shortly.

>

> The new discussion group will either grow or die, depending on the

> interest. I'll post an invitation on the newsgroups to hopefully get it

> started. Anyone interested please subscribe and let others know about

> it.

>

> Ken

>

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actually, that would be interesting. I am almost tempted to start a list

just to get police to post how far they would go to push 12-step propaganda

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> To: 12-step-freeegroups

> Subject: Re: discussion format/new discussion group

> Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 6:21 PM

>

> At 12:21 PM 12/27/98 -0800, Ken R wrote:

>

> >,

> >

> >This post of yours gave me an idea. Why not another list? So now there

> >is a 12 Steps and Politics list. The description is:

> >

> >12 Steps and Politics is an unmoderated discussion of the twelve-step

> >groups (e.g. Alcoholics Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous, Codependents

> >Anonymous) from a political and social perspective.

> >

> >Group Moderator: 12-steps-and-politics-owneregroups

> >

> >To subscribe, send a message to

> >12-steps-and-politics-subscribeegroups or go to this e-group's home

> >page at /list/12-steps-and-politics

> >

> >__________________________________

> >

> >At the moment it has only one subscriber (me) but hopefully that will

> >change shortly.

> >

> >The new discussion group will either grow or die, depending on the

> >interest. I'll post an invitation on the newsgroups to hopefully get it

> >started. Anyone interested please subscribe and let others know about

> >it.

>

> This looks quite interesting - from the description I've quoted I see

> no hint that the group is in any way critical of 12-step programs (I

> assume this was not intentional, but I'm not totally sure...). What

> newsgroups are you telling about this? I can imagine people reading this

> thinking " oh, good, not enough [meaning not all] policemen, judges and

> public officials know to send drunks to AA, or that AA is The Answer to

> this Disease of Alcoholism. This list is be about how to Pass It On and

> Carry The Message to even more people who need and want to hear it! "

>

> I find the actual topic only moderately interesting, but what might

> interest me more is 12-steppers who might subscribe to the above list

> misinterpreting what it's about, and the resultant messages when they

> find out what it's really about...

>

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E Diener wrote:

>

> actually, that would be interesting. I am almost tempted to start a list

> just to get police to post how far they would go to push 12-step propaganda

>

,

Now that sounds interesting. It would put things in black and white and

we could all learn a hell of a lot. I hope you do.

Ken Ragge

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Which book is this Carol?

Ive done a bit of research on codependency myself, and was mulling over my

data over Xmas, and I think I have got some pretty interesting findings which I

wil probably post later.

Pete

> Ya-ba-da-ba-do! Lets start with " codependency " conspiracy. The book is out

> of print but a thoughtful, reasoned account of the myth. Carol

>

> At 12:21 PM 12/27/98 -0800, you wrote:

> >paul diener wrote:

> >>

> >> It would seem there are three types of posters here. 1) those who

> wonder about AA, or some other specific group (these are often people who

> think AA, etc, works for some folks, but who are currently questioning

> whether it will work for them). 2) those who see the entire 12-Step

> movement as a dangerous cult, which is being coercively forced upon

> millions via government, employer and treatment industry officials. 3)

> those who see the 12-Step movement as itself merely a particularly visible

> symptom of a broader cultural change: America's vast politico-cultural

> " Spiritual Revolution " (myself, of course, and also a few others who have

> expressed especial interest in this broader pattern of change). These are

> three very different areas of interest, and even imply quite different

> presuppositions as to what AA, say, is all about. The question is: what

> is appropriate in this forum?

> >

> >,

> >

> >This post of yours gave me an idea. Why not another list? So now there

> >is a 12 Steps and Politics list. The description is:

> >

> >____________________________

> >

> >12 Steps and Politics is an unmoderated discussion of the twelve-step

> >groups (e.g. Alcoholics Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous, Codependents

> >Anonymous) from a political and social perspective.

> >

> >Group Moderator: 12-steps-and-politics-owneregroups

> >

> >To subscribe, send a message to

> >12-steps-and-politics-subscribeegroups or go to this e-group's home

> >page at /list/12-steps-and-politics

> >

> >__________________________________

> >

> >At the moment it has only one subscriber (me) but hopefully that will

> >change shortly.

> >

> >The new discussion group will either grow or die, depending on the

> >interest. I'll post an invitation on the newsgroups to hopefully get it

> >started. Anyone interested please subscribe and let others know about

> >it.

> >

> >Ken

> >

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> >Loads of games, activities, and all your favorite characters in one place

> >http://ads./click/133/6

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi, so glad you asked. Its The Codependency Conspiracy " by Stan Katz who

also wrote " Intoxicants " . Call around the used book stores. Enjoy. I do.

Carol Francey

At 03:30 PM 12/29/98 +0000, you wrote:

>Which book is this Carol?

>

>Ive done a bit of research on codependency myself, and was mulling over my

>data over Xmas, and I think I have got some pretty interesting findings

which I

>wil probably post later.

>

>Pete

>

>

>

>> Ya-ba-da-ba-do! Lets start with " codependency " conspiracy. The book is out

>> of print but a thoughtful, reasoned account of the myth. Carol

>>

>> At 12:21 PM 12/27/98 -0800, you wrote:

>> >paul diener wrote:

>> >>

>> >> It would seem there are three types of posters here. 1) those who

>> wonder about AA, or some other specific group (these are often people who

>> think AA, etc, works for some folks, but who are currently questioning

>> whether it will work for them). 2) those who see the entire 12-Step

>> movement as a dangerous cult, which is being coercively forced upon

>> millions via government, employer and treatment industry officials. 3)

>> those who see the 12-Step movement as itself merely a particularly visible

>> symptom of a broader cultural change: America's vast politico-cultural

>> " Spiritual Revolution " (myself, of course, and also a few others who have

>> expressed especial interest in this broader pattern of change). These are

>> three very different areas of interest, and even imply quite different

>> presuppositions as to what AA, say, is all about. The question is: what

>> is appropriate in this forum?

>> >

>> >,

>> >

>> >This post of yours gave me an idea. Why not another list? So now there

>> >is a 12 Steps and Politics list. The description is:

>> >

>> >____________________________

>> >

>> >12 Steps and Politics is an unmoderated discussion of the twelve-step

>> >groups (e.g. Alcoholics Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous, Codependents

>> >Anonymous) from a political and social perspective.

>> >

>> >Group Moderator: 12-steps-and-politics-owneregroups

>> >

>> >To subscribe, send a message to

>> >12-steps-and-politics-subscribeegroups or go to this e-group's home

>> >page at /list/12-steps-and-politics

>> >

>> >__________________________________

>> >

>> >At the moment it has only one subscriber (me) but hopefully that will

>> >change shortly.

>> >

>> >The new discussion group will either grow or die, depending on the

>> >interest. I'll post an invitation on the newsgroups to hopefully get it

>> >started. Anyone interested please subscribe and let others know about

>> >it.

>> >

>> >Ken

>> >

>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> >Leave the web behind and enter the magic world of Disney

>> >Loads of games, activities, and all your favorite characters in one place

>> >http://ads./click/133/6

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

uh oh! Katz- isn't that Jewish? lol

--- " jovian f. " wrote:

>

> Hi, so glad you asked. Its The Codependency Conspiracy " by Stan Katz

who

> also wrote " Intoxicants " . Call around the used book stores. Enjoy. I

do.

>

> Carol Francey

>

> At 03:30 PM 12/29/98 +0000, you wrote:

>

>

> >Which book is this Carol?

> >

> >Ive done a bit of research on codependency myself, and was mulling

over my

> >data over Xmas, and I think I have got some pretty interesting

findings

> which I

> >wil probably post later.

> >

> >Pete

> >

> >On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:25:29 -0800 " jovian f. "

wrote:

> >

> >> Ya-ba-da-ba-do! Lets start with " codependency " conspiracy. The

book is out

> >> of print but a thoughtful, reasoned account of the myth. Carol

> >>

> >> At 12:21 PM 12/27/98 -0800, you wrote:

> >> >paul diener wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> It would seem there are three types of posters here. 1)

those who

> >> wonder about AA, or some other specific group (these are often

people who

> >> think AA, etc, works for some folks, but who are currently

questioning

> >> whether it will work for them). 2) those who see the entire

12-Step

> >> movement as a dangerous cult, which is being coercively forced upon

> >> millions via government, employer and treatment industry

officials. 3)

> >> those who see the 12-Step movement as itself merely a

particularly visible

> >> symptom of a broader cultural change: America's vast

politico-cultural

> >> " Spiritual Revolution " (myself, of course, and also a few others

who have

> >> expressed especial interest in this broader pattern of change).

These are

> >> three very different areas of interest, and even imply quite

different

> >> presuppositions as to what AA, say, is all about. The question

is: what

> >> is appropriate in this forum?

> >> >

> >> >,

> >> >

> >> >This post of yours gave me an idea. Why not another list? So

now there

> >> >is a 12 Steps and Politics list. The description is:

> >> >

> >> >____________________________

> >> >

> >> >12 Steps and Politics is an unmoderated discussion of the

twelve-step

> >> >groups (e.g. Alcoholics Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous,

Codependents

> >> >Anonymous) from a political and social perspective.

> >> >

> >> >Group Moderator: 12-steps-and-politics-owneregroups

> >> >

> >> >To subscribe, send a message to

> >> >12-steps-and-politics-subscribeegroups or go to this

e-group's home

> >> >page at /list/12-steps-and-politics

> >> >

> >> >__________________________________

> >> >

> >> >At the moment it has only one subscriber (me) but hopefully that

will

> >> >change shortly.

> >> >

> >> >The new discussion group will either grow or die, depending on the

> >> >interest. I'll post an invitation on the newsgroups to

hopefully get it

> >> >started. Anyone interested please subscribe and let others know

about

> >> >it.

> >> >

> >> >Ken

> >> >

> >>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >> >Leave the web behind and enter the magic world of Disney

> >> >Loads of games, activities, and all your favorite characters in

one place

> >> >http://ads./click/133/6

> >> >

> >> >

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