Re: Why SO MANY get worse or die - especially ofinterest ...

[Guest guest]

Pete - in the US, homelessness is regularly explained in terms of

" addiction, " and addiction is assumed to be due to genetic susceptibility.

All of this is not very far at all from nazi eugenics - the most respected

medical experts in Germany in the 1930s were searching for the biological

basis of antisocial behavior. Of course, they assumed Jewish heritage was

an important contributant. Have I suggested to you before that you ought

to read Weinreich? (Weinreich, Max 1946 Hitler's Professors: The Part of

Scholarship in Germany's Crimes Against the Jewish People, NY: Yiddish

Scientific Institute). It is a truly remarkable book. Two things are

shocking 1) that the best minds in German academia, even Nobel winners,

were so easily recruited, and, 2) the technical and methodological

sophistication of the concept of [Jewish] materialism. Materialism as a

" disease " was seen to be the underlying cause of most social inconformity

and personal distress. The Nazi doctors believed only a spiritual cure

could save individuals, and, indeed, the nation as a whole. If you read

this book with an open mind, I think you will detect the parallels to

today's " codependency " concept.

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> To: 12-step-freeegroups

> Subject: Re: Why SO MANY get worse or die - especially

ofinterest ...

> Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 3:20 PM

>

> Hello Folks

>

> Went to an interesting lecture abt the sociopolitics of bioreductionism

> yesterday. amongst the various disorders for which " gene therapy " has

been

> suggested as a possible cureby *mainstream* geneticists, among the usual

> suspects, addiction, etc., there is apparently " homelessness " !

>

> Pete

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> - n Zimmer Bradley

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[Guest guest]

I dont know of any secular support-group that would take an overeater that

has the number of meetings of OA. London's a big, lonely place; I find it

hard to make friends and I get terribly lonely. The only lover I have had

in 15 years I met thru OA.

I hear ya... I'm lonely too. Funny, but I'm in the country and it's a lonely

place here too. Habits die hard, and I find that I'm developing a soft spot

for my nemesis XA. HELP! Somebody HELP!

Apple

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[Guest guest]

Help a new underinformed member, what is xa?????

Joy

>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>From: AppleDTP@...

>Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:14:38 EST

>To: 12-step-freeegroups

>Subject: Re: Why SO MANY get worse or die - especially

ofinterest ...

>

>

>I hear ya... I'm lonely too. Funny, but I'm in the country and it's a

lonely

>place here too. Habits die hard, and I find that I'm developing a soft

spot

>for my nemesis XA. HELP! Somebody HELP!

>Apple

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/12/99 11:35:09 PM Central Standard Time,

joy1959@... writes:

<< Help a new underinformed member, what is xa?????

Joy >>

It's shorthand for the set of AA, NA, OA, SA, CA, and so forth. In other

words, " (fill in the blank) Anonymous. "

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[Guest guest]

<<Help a new underinformed member, what is xa?????

Joy>>

X is the variable that can be anything, like A for alcohol, G for gambling, E

for emotions, C for chinese food or whatever.

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[Guest guest]

At 01:28 AM 2/13/99 EST, Pupship@... wrote:

>In a message dated 2/12/99 11:35:09 PM Central Standard Time,

>joy1959@... writes:

>

><< Help a new underinformed member, what is xa?????

> Joy >>

>

>It's shorthand for the set of AA, NA, OA, SA, CA, and so forth. In other

>words, " (fill in the blank) Anonymous. "

I've never liked the usage of " XA " for that here. It reads too much like

" Ex-AA " , which describes many of us, or the (now virtually dead) xaa list

(and on that note it's great that there's this much traffic here, and it's

not in reaction to a few troll posts, as has happened on XAA).

I've liked *A, as I've seen used on the Fidonet Recovery echo, but this

presumes knowing the 'wildcard' meaning of * on command-line computer

interfaces such as on unix, cp/m or MSDOS, a knowledge that is less common

among computer users these days.

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[Guest guest]

Hello Felix

I'm sorry if youre the guy I swore at, but if you are those posts looked like

XA apologism - I am aware that some professionals do consider CBT to be like

the Steps, but I think this view is mistaken; it is only by elaborate twistings

of meanings, almost certainly not intended by the original authors, that such a

comparison can be arrived at.

It is rather like the " Atheist 12-stepper " oxymoron.

The 11th Step states (I quote from memory):

" We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with

God, *as we understood Him*, seeking only to know His will for us and the power

to carry it out. "

Now, God, as an atheist understands " Him " - DOES NOT EXIST - and hence to a

true atheist this step is impossible.

At this point the " Anything can be your Higher Power " argument appears. This

phrase itself is disingenous, since if it really addressed the G word, the

slogan would be " Anything can be your GOD. " Steppers neve say this of course.

Ok, maybe the 12-steps can be mangled into something resembling CBT; they may

actually have some value in some aspects, as I have talked abt talking abt for

quite some time (humor intended). However, why bother with mangling? Why not

just rip them up and start all over again with what you are trying to twist

them into resembling?

Also, despite all the mangling done by 12-step counsellors and fraught XA

newbies, nobody has ever changed a single word of the Steps (other than to

extend them to areas other than alcohol) - even to substitute God with " Higher

Power " .

Pete

> Pete,

>

> I'm not in any way XA!!! I've used CBT and found the type I used helpful,

> particularly in issues other than addiction ones. I've also heard of other

> forms of CBT which I wouldn't find helpful. In fact the other types which I

> found unhelpful sounded controlling and similiar to 12 Step methods. I found

> 12-Step methods unhelpful and hurtful! I most likely would have died if I

> didn't stop engaging in XA/12-Step stuff.

>

> Felix

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[Guest guest]

No problem Felix.

Why would you have not have replied, or replied differently?

> Pete,

>

> I've been away and catching up on my email. I didn't realize there were

> further emails reqarding your situation. I probably wouldn't have replied if

> I'd read further or would have replied differently. Hope you are feeling

> better.

>

> Felix

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