perhaps the begining of a debate

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In a message dated 5/6/2000 9:29:46 PM Central Daylight Time,

jeasley@... writes:

<<

Do you get paid for your services for your work taking care of the sick and

injured? Then sir, you are also profiting off the illness of others. You

can call it what ever you want or rationalize it, but yes, it is the same

thing.

>>

Yep, just like Fire fighters profit from fire and police officers profit from

crime.

That is my rationalization and I'm sticking to it. My present employer does

not factor the number of nursing home calls into my pay check, and if they

begin to, I will be seeking employment elsewhere. We do not transport

ambulatory patients to dialysis. We protest transfers for other than medical

purposes. I have yet to have a supervisor have me collect a credit card

number or have I accepted cash directly from a patient. And finally, my

present employer, has not suspended me for complaining about transferring a

dead body to cold storage to free up a ventilator bed.

I mention all of the preceding because I was asked to perform each in the

private sector. I f you feel that private EMS is the future, more power to

you, but, it is only in my nightmares that I see such a future. And I hope

that EMS for profit falls completely from favor and disappears from the state

of Texas.

Having said all that I missed the previous debate and would enjoy reading

more of you thoughts.

Edwin Jennings

VVRMC EMS

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I agree with you I think that everything in the world should be free, could

you imagine going to Jack in the box (I have four kids) and ordering

everything you wanted for free! Sounds like a great place, when you find it

let me know I'll move there.

bill

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In a message dated 5/7/2000 8:05:05 PM Central Daylight Time, wlemtp@...

writes:

<<

I agree with you I think that everything in the world should be free, could

you imagine going to Jack in the box (I have four kids) and ordering

everything you wanted for free! Sounds like a great place, when you find it

let me know I'll move there.

>>

I don't think I ever said free, but if you would like to explore pure

communism, I am sure that there are translations of the books of Mr. Marx and

Mr. Hitler. But I was hoping more toward, ability to pay, barter of services

for healthcare, or even sliding scales for payment. I am sure that if you

look into it you would find that, if you work in EMS with only one job at 40

hrs a week with four kids, you do qualify for free food and free health care.

yet, it is OK with you for the owners of the companies which will allow you

to work below the poverty line, make millions of dollars a year? It does not

sound like a good deal to me especially since I have two jobs and pay taxes

so that the owners get money, probably unethically and possibly illegally,

from my taxes.

Like I said why not get enough to cover cost of operations and forbid profit

from the misfortunes of others? And if you think I am a fan of Insurance let

me leave you with this, Insurance is extortion subsidized by the government.

Edwin Jennings

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Bill,

Would you mind placing a clip of the message to which you are responding

in your message? I don't have a clue as to which message you're talking

about? I feel sooooo left out!??! LOL!

Thanks!

Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!!

Jana

FW,TX

Re: perhaps the begining of a debate

> I agree with you I think that everything in the world should be free,

could

> you imagine going to Jack in the box (I have four kids) and ordering

> everything you wanted for free! Sounds like a great place, when you find

it

> let me know I'll move there.

>

>

> bill

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[Guest guest]

Let's set some ground rules so we all know what we are discussing.

1. The first issue is are we discussing only an emergent care 911 EMS

system or are we including inter facility services as well?

2. Are we discussing air transfers, offshore EMS systems, and the myriad

other EMS services which are offered by various services and systems?

3. What would you consider to be an ideal system?

A. How would you fund it?

B. How would you staff it?

C. What would be the HR component?

I will prepare my statements and if others care to join in the debate, maybe

we can develop an actual working model, either private or public which may

actually do the job and make the majority of people quasi-happy.

Stay safe

Easley

President UHCS, Inc.

perhaps the begining of a debate

> In a message dated 5/6/2000 9:29:46 PM Central Daylight Time,

> jeasley@... writes:

>

> <<

> Do you get paid for your services for your work taking care of the sick

and

> injured? Then sir, you are also profiting off the illness of others. You

> can call it what ever you want or rationalize it, but yes, it is the same

> thing.

> >>

> Yep, just like Fire fighters profit from fire and police officers profit

from

> crime.

>

> That is my rationalization and I'm sticking to it. My present employer

does

> not factor the number of nursing home calls into my pay check, and if they

> begin to, I will be seeking employment elsewhere. We do not transport

> ambulatory patients to dialysis. We protest transfers for other than

medical

> purposes. I have yet to have a supervisor have me collect a credit card

> number or have I accepted cash directly from a patient. And finally, my

> present employer, has not suspended me for complaining about transferring

a

> dead body to cold storage to free up a ventilator bed.

>

> I mention all of the preceding because I was asked to perform each in the

> private sector. I f you feel that private EMS is the future, more power to

> you, but, it is only in my nightmares that I see such a future. And I hope

> that EMS for profit falls completely from favor and disappears from the

state

> of Texas.

>

> Having said all that I missed the previous debate and would enjoy reading

> more of you thoughts.

>

> Edwin Jennings

> VVRMC EMS

>

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Here ya go Jana. I might be reading into this a little, but I do not believe

that the tax payors can continue to support everyone! At some point we have

to request money for services, this keeps the lights and water on. Even when

we work in volunteer services someone has to pay the rising cost. It is

usually the user, (i.e., ... I request a burger) Below is a portion of what I

referred to.

" For those of you that are still working for the for profit services, and

would not rather work for a city or county service, please do not deny that

your reasons are not based on monetary recompense. If it were truly

otherwise, you would not endorse an organization that attempts to earn

profit off of the illness of others with your time. Don't worry I feel the

same about for profit hospitals. " Edwin Jennings

[Guest guest]

Okay, now define " profit. " If I make more than what the call costs, but I

channel that extra back into additional training, equipment and salaries,

I'm not making a profit, but I am charging more than actual cost. Which do

you refer to?

I'd hope that money exists from " somewhere " for training, equipment and the

like, but if you're running everything at cost, you'll never get there.

Mike

Re: perhaps the begining of a debate

>

> Here ya go Jana. I might be reading into this a little, but I do not

believe

> that the tax payors can continue to support everyone! At some point we

have

> to request money for services, this keeps the lights and water on. Even

when

> we work in volunteer services someone has to pay the rising cost. It is

> usually the user, (i.e., ... I request a burger) Below is a portion of

what I

> referred to.

>

> " For those of you that are still working for the for profit services, and

> would not rather work for a city or county service, please do not deny

that

> your reasons are not based on monetary recompense. If it were truly

> otherwise, you would not endorse an organization that attempts to earn

> profit off of the illness of others with your time. Don't worry I feel

the

> same about for profit hospitals. " Edwin Jennings

>

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Thanks, I understand now!

Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!!

Jana

FW,TX

Re: perhaps the begining of a debate

>

> Here ya go Jana. I might be reading into this a little, but I do not

believe

> that the tax payors can continue to support everyone! At some point we

have

> to request money for services, this keeps the lights and water on. Even

when

> we work in volunteer services someone has to pay the rising cost. It is

> usually the user, (i.e., ... I request a burger) Below is a portion of

what I

> referred to.

>

> " For those of you that are still working for the for profit services, and

> would not rather work for a city or county service, please do not deny

that

> your reasons are not based on monetary recompense. If it were truly

> otherwise, you would not endorse an organization that attempts to earn

> profit off of the illness of others with your time. Don't worry I feel

the

> same about for profit hospitals. " Edwin Jennings

>

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