Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 > One thing I forgot to mention to you: conversion of cyanocobalamin is > extremely inefficient in everyone, meaning that in addition to > whatever other benefits it may confer, supplementing with MB12 is > simply much more effective on a per-mg basis. , I recently discovered this: http://www.naturalnutritionals.com/b125.html Do you think the Thorne capsules (no additives) are better than the Swanson sublingual tabs? I'm guessing yes? One can always empty the capsule under the tongue, no? B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 " One can always empty the capsule under the tongue, no? " Has anyone tried using DMSO as a delivery vehicle for B12? Dan Corrigan Healthy Pages http://www.healthypages.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 - > http://www.naturalnutritionals.com/b125.html > > Do you think the Thorne capsules (no additives) are better than the > Swanson sublingual tabs? > > I'm guessing yes? One can always empty the capsule under the > tongue, no? I don't think Thorne is filler-free, but while I don't know the ingredients or dosage of Thorne's MB12, I'd guess it's probably better than the witches brew Swanson provides. I have enough pure MB12 I could sell you some at cost, though, if you'd like. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dan- > Has anyone tried using DMSO as a delivery vehicle for B12? Itchy. But YMMV, and I haven't yet tried it with pure MB12. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 , > One thing I forgot to mention to you: conversion of cyanocobalamin is > extremely inefficient in everyone, meaning that in addition to > whatever other benefits it may confer, supplementing with MB12 is > simply much more effective on a per-mg basis. Do you have any references that quantify it? I've come across information recently that B12 is actually used for the detoxification of cyanide! Since one molecule of B12 binds one molecule of cyanide, and converting cyanocobalamin would thus release cyanide that would have to be detoxed with B12, it would seem like most of it must just get excreted. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 , > I have enough pure MB12 I could sell you some at cost, though, if > you'd like. , Oh, yes, indeed I would like that. The Thorne is additive-free, according to the information given. So, how does one take the loose powder? Will I need the 2mg scale for each dose? argh. B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 What about Jarrow? On Dec 3, 2006, at 4:07 PM, downwardog7 wrote: > > , > >> I have enough pure MB12 I could sell you some at cost, though, if >> you'd like. > > , > > Oh, yes, indeed I would like that. > > The Thorne is additive-free, according to the information given. > > So, how does one take the loose powder? Will I need the 2mg scale for > each dose? argh. > B. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 , What does the powder taste like? I would be far too afraid to buy it, frankly. B-vitamins are not really known for their flavor. The exception, of course, is the sublingual at Trader Joe's that tastes like fruit punch (and it is not MC B12). A good option for B-12 is to eat liver several times a week. People low in B12 tend to be low in other Bs and liver hits those as well. Dr Ron's freeze dried liver could be an option. http://www.rebuild-from-depression.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 does this help with brain fog? mine is worse again and i need somerthing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 4/18/07 2:44 PM > does this help with brain fog? > mine is worse again and i need somerthing. > Hi Gretchen, Here is an article regarding B12. Memory loss from low B12 is common among older people. If you have pernicious anemia, you can develop neurological problems. A simple lab test will show if you have pernicious anemia. It is treated with B12 injections. It is rare, affecting only 1% of people. Kenda Vitamin B12 Claims, Benefits: Prevents confusion and memory loss in older people, protects the heart, peps you up. Bottom Line: This vitamin is important to life and health, and to almost every cell and system in the body. It may help prevent heart disease. Older people may be deficient, especially if their diet is not good. A rare kind of deficiency can result in pernicious anemia, which needs to be treated with B-12 injections or oral megadoses. We recommend 6 to 15 micrograms daily for older people. If you take a multivitamin, that should provide enough. Full Article, Wellness Letter, March 2004: Be Sure About B-12 In recent years experts have become more concerned about vitamin B-12 in people over 50 and those following a strict vege-tarian diet. This vitamin is important to life and health, and to almost every cell and system, including the blood and the nervous system. Moreover, B-12 and other B vitamins (folate and B6) may help prevent heart disease by lowering blood levels of homo-cysteine, a substance linked to heart disease. If you eat moderate amounts of dairy products, fish, poultry, meats, and/or fortified foods, you probably don¹t need to worry about B-12. The liver is able to store large amounts of the vitamin, and even if you stopped consuming it for months, you would not become deficient. Extracting vitamin B-12 from foods is a complex process. The stomach must secrete adequate amounts of acid, plus the digestive enzyme pepsin, and then, in order to be absorbed, the free vitamin must combine with a protein known as ³intrinsic factor.² But in older people this process may be incomplete: 20 to 30% of people over age 50 don¹t produce enough stomach acid, and thus their B-12 absorption is reduced. A poor diet and heavy drinking can also contribute to a deficiency. Vegans (who eat no animal products, which are the best sources of B-12) can be deficient, as can those with diseases of the intestinal tract. All these people may gradually develop the common form of B-12 deficiency. There is also a rare and more serious form, known as pernicious anemia (see below). When deficiency is the problem There¹s a lot of controversy about routine testing for vitamin B-12 deficiency, which may not even have symptoms. On the other hand, severe deficiency can cause confusion, memory loss, tingling and weakness in the limbs, hallucinations, and listlessness. This may be misdiagnosed as Alzheimer¹s disease or other conditions. Or the person suffering from these symptoms may simply attribute them to ³aging.² If you suspect you are deficient, get medical help. Blood tests can diagnose deficiency, and levels of the vitamin can be brought up in various ways‹pills, nasal gels, and injections. If you¹re healthy and over 50Š The amounts of vitamin B-12 needed to stay healthy are very small‹the RDA is 2.4 micrograms a day (a microgram is one-thousandth of a milligram). Most of us get much more than that from foods. Because of possible absorption problems, our recommendation for older people is 6 to 15 micrograms daily from foods and a multivitamin pill. In supplements the vitamin is not bound, as it is in foods, and thus is more readily absorbed, unless you have pernicious anemia. Fortified breakfast cereals and soy milks also release the vitamin more easily, because it is simply added to the foods, not bound with food molecules. But if you are diagnosed as deficient, your physician may give you very large doses, as high as 1 or even 2 milligrams daily. These amounts are safe and effective, according to recent research in Britain. A British study published last year in the Postgraduate Medical Journal found that large oral doses were just as effective as injections and recommended that doctors stop giving injections. Injections actually are falling out of favor. Pills, of course, are easier to take. The great majority of people, even those over 50, will be okay with a good diet and a daily multivitamin. A reader recently wrote that he was taking 1 milligram of vitamin B-12 daily‹just in case of deficiency‹and asked whether that was safe. So far as is known, it¹s okay. But unless you have been diagnosed as deficient, it¹s also unnecessary. Megadoses of vitamins are seldom a good idea. If you¹re worried about vitamin B-12 talk with your doctor. A study in the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society in 2002 showed that supplements of 50 micrograms daily can correct mild deficiencies in older people. Pernicious anemia: uncommon but serious Only about 1% of us will ever develop pernicious anemia, a disease leading to B-12 deficiency. It can occur at any age, not just in those over 50. What happens is that the stomach nearly stops producing acid and intrinsic factor, and thus virtually no B-12 can be absorbed. Because the vitamin is stored so efficiently, it may take up to five years before stores are used up and symptoms develop. These may include extreme fatigue, dementia, disorientation, and weakness in the limbs. One consequence may be irreversible neurological damage, so it¹s important to see a physician early. A high intake of another B vitamin, folate, can mask some signs of pernicious anemia, but does not stop the neurological damage. If your problem turns out to be pernicious anemia, it can be successfully treated with large doses of vitamin B-12. UC Berkeley Wellness Letter, March 2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 It could.....it certainly has given me energy when I felt low. I have used methycobalamin in sublingual form, and most recently in the spray form. I have also injected the cyanocobalamin form, but I'll take these other forms any day over needles! Pattyfoxygretchy <gretchenc@...> wrote: does this help with brain fog?mine is worse again and i need somerthing. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 I took injections for awhile after I got my implants out. I did feel better, but now am taking a sublingual liquid under the tongue. One thing I've noticed, and maybe someone can comment on this, is that some newly explanted women seem to have a very difficult time absorbing minerals and vitamins. I don't know why this is. Perhaps heavy metals or fungal properties from the implants bind to the vitamins and prohibit the body from absorbing them, just a thought. It probably wouldn't hurt you to have a blood test to check your mineral and vitamin levels, if you haven't already done so. hugs, Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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