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My doctor only uses saliva tests and believes they are more accurate than blood

tests...but not sure how he came to that conclusion.

kenkyuu2 <kenkyuu2@...> wrote:

I have an appointment with an HRT Doctor that uses saliva tests

instead of blood test to measure hormone levels. Does anyone have any

experience with the accuracy of saliva tests? They sound like they

would not be as effective as a blood test but I have no experience to

base that on. Any comments?

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I never did one but have read posts here that they are not any good but that

could be the lab if you have a good lab and you only use that lab what harm can

it do. If you do a test be it blood or saliva and send it to two different labs

you will get a result that is not the same and off a lot.

Phil

kenkyuu2 <kenkyuu2@...> wrote:

I have an appointment with an HRT Doctor that uses saliva tests

instead of blood test to measure hormone levels. Does anyone have any

experience with the accuracy of saliva tests? They sound like they

would not be as effective as a blood test but I have no experience to

base that on. Any comments?

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I know of no one who is considered an industry leader who feels this

way. I think your doctor has been duped by the lab that sells these

tests.

> I have an appointment with an HRT Doctor that uses saliva tests

> instead of blood test to measure hormone levels. Does anyone have

any

> experience with the accuracy of saliva tests? They sound like

they

> would not be as effective as a blood test but I have no experience

to

> base that on. Any comments?

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I agree with that 100%.

From a patient point of view who has used saliva tests my experience

also tells me that they of extremely unrleiable/questionable

methodology.

e.g

I had one blood test that put my T level at 18nmol/l well with

range, one week earlier (I was on a constatnt T dosage via 7.5g

testogel)I had a saliva test which told me that my testosterone was

four times the top of their range measured in pg/ml.

When hospitals and top endocrine centers start using saliva tests

ahead of bloods then yea maybe they will be worth consideration, but

until the day- they should not be considered good enough for us- at

least that is my thinking on the matter.

> > I have an appointment with an HRT Doctor that uses saliva tests

> > instead of blood test to measure hormone levels. Does anyone

have

> any

> > experience with the accuracy of saliva tests? They sound like

> they

> > would not be as effective as a blood test but I have no

experience

> to

> > base that on. Any comments?

> >

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This is just the kind of evidence which proves the point.

> > > I have an appointment with an HRT Doctor that uses saliva

tests

> > > instead of blood test to measure hormone levels. Does anyone

> have

> > any

> > > experience with the accuracy of saliva tests? They sound like

> > they

> > > would not be as effective as a blood test but I have no

> experience

> > to

> > > base that on. Any comments?

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A little off topic as it doesn't deal with a strictly hypogonadal

issue, but I suffer from hypercortisolism (which DID cause my

hypogonadal state, so there is a connection).

What is interesting is that the specialist Endo (he is a Cushing's

Disease specialist) uses a urine test (24-hour Urinary Free Cortisol

test) to determine if my daily cortisol levels are still elevated -

and uses a " Late Night Salivary Cortisol test " to determine if my

daily cycle of cortisol secretion is still normal (i.e., lowest point

of cortisol is at time frame of 11 PM to 1 AM). When the late night

tests were first established they strictly used serum draws (blood

tests) for those determinations, but most have switched over to Late

Night Salivary testing as it made more sense logistically (what Labs

are opn at Midnote?) - and was found to be something like 99.8% as

accurate as the serum draws. But the same Endo will use a serum test

to get a specific test reading following a specific test (such as a

dexamethasone suppression test for example).

Personally, I think that they all have certain advantages and

disadvantages - and will be more utilized by the medical profession at

different points of testing based on their advantages and disadvantages.

Strictly for purposes of reader review and consideration:

http://www.drgrisanti.com/salivary_testing.htm

http://medpolicy.unicare.com/policies/medicine/saliv_horm_tests.html

http://www.wwgonline.net/new_page_41.htm

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=163spit

http://www.worldhealth.net/p/264,4926.html

(American Academy of Anti Aging Medicine Article)

Larry

P.S. I have only personally used prescribed saliva tests as performed

as part of said Late Night Cortisol testing process.

> > I have an appointment with an HRT Doctor that uses saliva tests

> > instead of blood test to measure hormone levels. Does anyone have

> any

> > experience with the accuracy of saliva tests? They sound like

> they

> > would not be as effective as a blood test but I have no experience

> to

> > base that on. Any comments?

> >

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Thanks for the reply..my doc did test for estradiol...but on the

saliva test there is no mention of it. Upon the results I am meeting

with him and will be bringing up the fact. Also the fact of how can

we compare data from two diffrent collection methods.

He did recommend an estradiol blocker(Indinol plus) to take with my

compounded creme.

My concerns are my sex drive came back for about two weeks...now has

subsided. My energy level and focus are still much improved...so I

am receiving some benefits. The return of mr woody would be a

welcome event though.

> >

> > I went to a naturopathic doctor with all the symptoms of low

> > testosterone. He did a blood tetst and I was low mormal...but

with

> all

> > the symptoms he started me on a t-cream. Now three monts later I

am

> to

> > be retested and he wants to do a saliva test for " T " and

dhea...an

> > blood test for psa. Will the the saliva test be accurate and be

> > comparable to the blood test...anyone had both for comparison.

With

> > the cream I felt better after about 6 weeks and now am losing

the

> > feeling.

> >

>

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If you used this blocker and got some good wood the lose it it means your E2 is

now down to low stop using it and when your wood comes back that day go back on

it but do less. This is why I liked Indolplex/DIM it comes in tablets that you

can cut I did good a long time on one half a tablet.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

Today I use Arimidex .25mgs every 3 days.

ddrivernkc <ddrivernkc@...> wrote:

Thanks for the reply..my doc did test for estradiol...but on the

saliva test there is no mention of it. Upon the results I am meeting

with him and will be bringing up the fact. Also the fact of how can

we compare data from two diffrent collection methods.

He did recommend an estradiol blocker(Indinol plus) to take with my

compounded creme.

My concerns are my sex drive came back for about two weeks...now has

subsided. My energy level and focus are still much improved...so I

am receiving some benefits. The return of mr woody would be a

welcome event though.

> >

> > I went to a naturopathic doctor with all the symptoms of low

> > testosterone. He did a blood tetst and I was low mormal...but

with

> all

> > the symptoms he started me on a t-cream. Now three monts later I

am

> to

> > be retested and he wants to do a saliva test for " T " and

dhea...an

> > blood test for psa. Will the the saliva test be accurate and be

> > comparable to the blood test...anyone had both for comparison.

With

> > the cream I felt better after about 6 weeks and now am losing

the

> > feeling.

> >

>

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Ah-ha!!! didn't think of that...gonna go off the blocker for a few

days and see what happens.

I went for my tests today and he is doing a blood test for free and

total and PSA. Saliva for T only..hmm...but no retest for estradiol.

> > >

> > > I went to a naturopathic doctor with all the symptoms of low

> > > testosterone. He did a blood tetst and I was low mormal...but

> with

> > all

> > > the symptoms he started me on a t-cream. Now three monts later

I

> am

> > to

> > > be retested and he wants to do a saliva test for " T " and

> dhea...an

> > > blood test for psa. Will the the saliva test be accurate and

be

> > > comparable to the blood test...anyone had both for comparison.

> With

> > > the cream I felt better after about 6 weeks and now am losing

> the

> > > feeling.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of

what you see. "

> Phil

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If you have been like this a long time it might take longer the a few days. I

would give it at least a week.

ddrivernkc <ddrivernkc@...> wrote: Ah-ha!!! didn't think of

that...gonna go off the blocker for a few

days and see what happens.

I went for my tests today and he is doing a blood test for free and

total and PSA. Saliva for T only..hmm...but no retest for estradiol.

> > >

> > > I went to a naturopathic doctor with all the symptoms of low

> > > testosterone. He did a blood tetst and I was low mormal...but

> with

> > all

> > > the symptoms he started me on a t-cream. Now three monts later

I

> am

> > to

> > > be retested and he wants to do a saliva test for " T " and

> dhea...an

> > > blood test for psa. Will the the saliva test be accurate and

be

> > > comparable to the blood test...anyone had both for comparison.

> With

> > > the cream I felt better after about 6 weeks and now am losing

> the

> > > feeling.

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of

what you see. "

> Phil

>

>

>

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