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I totally agree. I get tired of people telling me how " wonderful " I am

because I'm not. Basically, my child got a raw deal at birth and I cope with

it. But the real person who copes with it is her, all the blood tests and

surgeries and pain are hers and she's the one who is really wonderful for

managing so well. We parents just do the best we can and some of us do

better than others because of luck or circumstance or (rarely I think),

motivation. Sometimes I think telling us how great we are is actually an

excuse to stop the person saying it worrying about whether there is more he

or she could be doing.

Cheers,

Marea Howe

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> Kristi,

> I just did what I had to do. I don't think of myself as anything

> unusual. When was 6 mo. old and they put her trach in I was

> terrified. I told the doctor, " I will never master the care and be

> able to take her home. " I actually walked out of the room in the

> middle of a lesson crying and yelling " I can't! " The mom of the

> trach baby in the next bed came after me, took me by the shoulders

> and shook me. She said, " If you don't care for her, no one will! "

> Her baby died in spite of the trach. I have never forgotten that mom

> or the lesson I learned that day.

> I agree ever parent, friend, family member that helps with a

> special child are a hero!

> Give Gracie a hug for me.

> Lynn

>

>

> > Lynn-

> > Wow... what a mom you are... everyone here is! I just wanted to

> let you know

> > that as I read what you wrote about I got chills... can you

> imagine how

> > different her life would have been had YOU not been her mother?!

> What you've

> > done (and continue to do) for her is inspiring.

> >

> >

> > Kristi Swann

> > Mommy to Gracie 12 weeks, wife to & Dog mom to Sophie :-)

> > Roseville, CA

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Michele wrote:

> Gotta chime in here. So many people express to me their admiration etc as

if I am a saint for loving and caring for Aubrie. I don't think so. As

Lynn said, " I just did what I had to do " . Don't we all? Isn't that what

any parent would do? And isn't there always even more that we think we

could be doing if only??

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I have to say that most parents do what has to be done. But there are those

I just have to look at and wonder why they have children and what planet

they came from.

One example I remember was one of Rick's co-workers at a previous job. When

Ken (non-CHARGEr) was an infant, he had laryngio malacia (floppy larynx

cartiledge) that required him to have oxygen overnight and for long naps

until he was a year old. One man asked Rick how we did it, and what would

we do if insurance didn't cover the cost of the oxygen? Rick could only

look at this man in total amazment. Rick then said that if Ken needed

something that was that critical, you do what you have to do; there is

really no choice; you find a way. He then asked the man if it was his kid

what would he do. This man just shrugged, shook his head and walked away.

Some people have no clue!

I too get tired of hearing how I must be " special " , and " patient " , and

" always so calm " . If they only knew! I don't feel special; I've had a hard

time learning patience (still very much in progress!), and I'm rarely calm!

You do what you have to do - for any of our kids - and go on the best you

can. That's all we can do.

Friends in CHARGE,

Marilyn Ogan

Mom of (10, CHARGE) and Ken (13, ADD)

Wife of I-Been-Workin'-On-The-Railroad-Rick

Fishres, IN

oganm@...

PS: Rick works for CSX Transportation (railroad) doing radio

communications, etc. The storms we've had this week have kept him away from

home every night and most of the day since Sunday night, and it just keeps

coming! Someone turn off the faucet!

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Isn't it funny how humans are?

It is hard for any of us to imagine someone else's life. We see the

troubles they deal with as difficult and cannot imagine ourselves going

through something like it, but when we look at our own lives, it is just our

life. We have no choice so we just keep on living it, doing the best we

can. Are we any more a saint than another parent, no, but to those who

cannot imagine life as we live it, they think we are. We know they also

would do the best they can with the resources they have, whatever that best

might be.

Kim

>

> It can be quite frustrating for me as well with two kiddos with problems so

> close together.  It was funny in a way when I found out I was pregnant with

> , my youngest, that day I was having a friend take me to the hospital

> for

> a CT scan for Kai because Troy was at work and doing his billion it seemed

> like classes, he teaches an average of 11 a semester, but anyway, she was like

> so

> when are you guys going to have another kid.  Well Kai was barely one when

> she asked.  Well I told her when ever God sends us another one I guess. 

> Luckily

> the CT scan was cancelled so no xray exposure but still I was pissed off

> cause I was stranded and had to wait for a ride home from the medical center

> but I

> found out that night I was pregnant.  It was like a test I guess if I was

> ready.  But I get " oh man I don't know how you do it with two special needs

> kids. "   Well I don't have a choice.  They are the ones who have to go thru it

> and

> if I didn't do it who would.  But people are amazed at my answer when I say

> that.  It's like come on, if you have a spouse with cancer, you usually take

> care

> of them right, why not take care of a special needs kid.  They are shocked

> too that I'm not an emotional mess all the time and I'm so " together " .  They

> don't see me when I cry for an hour cause the day has been too stressful or me

> getting angry at people for being stupid, medical wise.  Or me having to yell

> at the insurance company for a stupid mistake on the filing party part.  I am

> just me.  I am not an angel or a saint.  I just am a mom who loves her

> children

> dearly and would do anything for them so they have the best life possible. 

> They are the truly courageous ones.  They are the angels.  They go thru some

> scary crap and yet most of them, after the scary part is over, smile and are

> so

> happy.   I am just the mom, they are the fighters.  Plus I have an amazing

> husband who hold me up when I am tired of fighting.  If I didn't have him, I

> couldn't be so " strong "

>

> Liz

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hi,

same here! i don't like it when i get called a " good mother " ... especially

when i'm just mothering in a 'regular' sort of way! it makes me wonder how

others mother their children ;0), i feel like i'm just trying to do the best

i can ... i usually get upset 'cos it seems someone will say just that,

right when i feel i could be doing more somehow ...

i also get cross when people say to do things " because of special needs " ,

when i feel that *all* children deserve to be listened to and have their

needs met...

sorry we've all been facing similar frustrations, nice to know we're not

alone,

Jo

ds Ben 5-4-99, ds Josh 20-8-02, CHaRGE'r + uclbcp

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> It bothers me when people treat me like a saint when I know that I am not.

I am not a perfect parent to either of my kids, but I do the best I can

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ACtually, I have a little different take on it. I get upset when they say,

how can you do it? How can you take care of your child with all of his problems?

I am looking at them thinking, you dont have as wonderful of a situation as

you try to convey to others....there are plenty of problems in family life

besides a child with special needs.

I feel like they are patting themselves on the back that they dont have the

life we have...but in turn, I may look at most of them and think, " I wouldnt

trade places with you because you have your set of problems " I never say

that directly to anyone but I have had times when I have wanted to. They may

also say that they have a child who has special needs, but cant compare to the

problems we face. I dont find that a comforting comment.

So I do agree with not taking those compliments of being this great mother as

compliments... I am glad to hear others feel the same as I do.

Sorry for rambling.

Well, that is all for today. ck

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I also have to chime in here, cause I feel like I'm one of the people who

got this ball rolling. I agree with everyone of you. I hear--oh my, three

boys so close together --and.....they don't want to say it but with special

needs too, you certainly have your hands full, how do you do it? it's my

life, I just muddle through and do the best I can, some days that's not so

great ,other days, it's ok, and once-in -awhile a get a really great day for

everyone. Just like everyone else.

I wish I had the secret recipe to make everything ok for everyone, but I

don't I play with what I was dealt and go from there---and some days I don't

do much, other days there is energy to spare. I can say I have better

parenting skills than some--but worse than others--from what I see, but, I'm

not in their shoes 24/7.

I hope at least some of this makes sense---I guess I should just say I'm

like a mamma bear and I have 3 cubs I do what I need to do to take care of

my cubs and pappa bear too.

maria

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>

>

> Kristi,

> I just did what I had to do. I don't think of myself as anything

> unusual. When was 6 mo. old and they put her trach in I was

> terrified. I told the doctor, " I will never master the care and be

> able to take her home. " I actually walked out of the room in the

> middle of a lesson crying and yelling " I can't! " The mom of the

> trach baby in the next bed came after me, took me by the shoulders

> and shook me. She said, " If you don't care for her, no one will! "

> Her baby died in spite of the trach. I have never forgotten that mom

> or the lesson I learned that day.

> I agree ever parent, friend, family member that helps with a

> special child are a hero!

> Give Gracie a hug for me.

> Lynn

>

>

> > Lynn-

> > Wow... what a mom you are... everyone here is! I just wanted to

> let you know

> > that as I read what you wrote about I got chills... can you

> imagine how

> > different her life would have been had YOU not been her mother?!

> What you've

> > done (and continue to do) for her is inspiring.

> >

> >

> > Kristi Swann

> > Mommy to Gracie 12 weeks, wife to & Dog mom to Sophie :-)

> > Roseville, CA

> >

> >

> >

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Elaine-

Oh boy-can I relate to that! It doesn't make any sense that our reward for

being such wonderful people would be that our child would have to suffer. No

logic in that at all -- except that it gives people something to say when they

don't know what else to say.

I too feel like a fraud often. If people could see me when I am at my worst --

well... let's just say they wouldn't be giving out such compliments :-)

As the others have said, it's really the kids who get the credit. When people

comment on how wonderfully Aubrie is doing and that it's due to her wonderful

Mom, I have to say that it's really her. She's so great in so many ways -- and

her own strengths are what has helped her overcome so many obstacles.

Michele W

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It also

bothers me when people say ' special children go to special parents'. If that

were truly the case then why are there so many 'special' kids in care?

I sometimes feel that I have so much to live up to and feel a bit of a fraud

as I don't feel in any way 'special'.

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Very well said!

Michele

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Isn't it funny how humans are?

It is hard for any of us to imagine someone else's life. We see the

troubles they deal with as difficult and cannot imagine ourselves going

through something like it, but when we look at our own lives, it is just our

life. We have no choice so we just keep on living it, doing the best we

can. Are we any more a saint than another parent, no, but to those who

cannot imagine life as we live it, they think we are. We know they also

would do the best they can with the resources they have, whatever that best

might be.

Kim

>

> It can be quite frustrating for me as well with two kiddos with problems so

> close together. It was funny in a way when I found out I was pregnant with

> , my youngest, that day I was having a friend take me to the hospital

> for

> a CT scan for Kai because Troy was at work and doing his billion it seemed

> like classes, he teaches an average of 11 a semester, but anyway, she was

like

> so

> when are you guys going to have another kid. Well Kai was barely one when

> she asked. Well I told her when ever God sends us another one I guess.

> Luckily

> the CT scan was cancelled so no xray exposure but still I was pissed off

> cause I was stranded and had to wait for a ride home from the medical center

> but I

> found out that night I was pregnant. It was like a test I guess if I was

> ready. But I get " oh man I don't know how you do it with two special needs

> kids. " Well I don't have a choice. They are the ones who have to go thru

it

> and

> if I didn't do it who would. But people are amazed at my answer when I say

> that. It's like come on, if you have a spouse with cancer, you usually take

> care

> of them right, why not take care of a special needs kid. They are shocked

> too that I'm not an emotional mess all the time and I'm so " together " .

They

> don't see me when I cry for an hour cause the day has been too stressful or

me

> getting angry at people for being stupid, medical wise. Or me having to

yell

> at the insurance company for a stupid mistake on the filing party part. I

am

> just me. I am not an angel or a saint. I just am a mom who loves her

> children

> dearly and would do anything for them so they have the best life possible.

> They are the truly courageous ones. They are the angels. They go thru some

> scary crap and yet most of them, after the scary part is over, smile and are

> so

> happy. I am just the mom, they are the fighters. Plus I have an amazing

> husband who hold me up when I am tired of fighting. If I didn't have him, I

> couldn't be so " strong "

>

> Liz

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I hate it when people say they are amazed by how together I am they dont

seem to get it if I dont write all this stuff down It is gone in five

seconds whats so amazing about that?????????they said that I am a saint

because I also have and have left their father HELLO that would

make me STUPID I love my babies but the timing was/is horrible I thank

GOd (or who ever is in charge )that is not like ( you all

no what I me by that)

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Okay, I'm posting this to help me remember. When people stay those comments

about being a saint, I try to say " I hope God sees it that way. " I try to

remember that they probably say things like " I could never do that " because of

their own insecurities. There might be a worry that they will have a child with

special needs and will be thrown into a totally foreign world. They want to

know more about our lives, just like some people are curious about other

cultures. They just don't know how to bring up the subject. Yes, I complain

about the comments, but I try to remember that I thought the same thing when my

friend said she was pregnant with her 7th child.

Paz,

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Kim,

Very well said. I experience all kinds of " other peoples

insecurities " when was born close to 19 years ago. Our older

son Tom is adopted. I was told I would never conceive a child. God

had other ideas to our suprise. When Tom was 5 was born.

When I found out I was pregnant,our families and friends shared in

the Miracle. Everyone was as happy as we were. There were many

showers etc. Lots of celebrations etc.

Once word got around that had a " very bad start " and would

be in the hospital for a while ( 1 month at first), people stopped

calling. I only got a couple of " Baby Girl " cards. People didn't

even call me once I got home. I look back now and understand but at

the time I felt hurt and alone. There was no internet etc. People

didn't know what to say so they said nothing. It hurt. Family came

when came home but they were kind of speechless. They did

better as she got older. I had one friend that came to see

when she came home at one month and was able to treat her and me as

if nothing was wrong. It was a real blessing. was a

pretty " sorry " looking infant but it didn't bother my friend at all.

I learned a lot. Since then I have tried to teach others that

usually " special parents of special kids " want people to call and

come over the same as if the child was " normal " .

Maybe we " special parents " should write a book about how to

help " special parents " .

I remember telling someone when I was upset. " She is a baby

first then a baby with special needs, treat her that way! "

I agree with others. I am no Saint. They didn't see me when I

was screaming, " Why me Lord! " and pounding the walls or when I would

yell at my husband ( who is really the Saint here) " We were

supposed to adopt a second normal kid, I didn't ask to have a baby

especially a " special one " . I have since gotten over that one. I

wouldn't trade having for all the adoptions in the world.

I've carried on long enough but here people really understand.

In the outside world many can't understand.

Lynn

> Okay, I'm posting this to help me remember. When people stay

those comments about being a saint, I try to say " I hope God sees it

that way. " I try to remember that they probably say things like "

I could never do that " because of their own insecurities. There

might be a worry that they will have a child with special needs and

will be thrown into a totally foreign world. They want to know

more about our lives, just like some people are curious about other

cultures. They just don't know how to bring up the subject. Yes, I

complain about the comments, but I try to remember that I thought

the same thing when my friend said she was pregnant with her 7th

child.

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> Paz,

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beautiful....

----- Original Message -----

> I remember telling someone when I was upset. " She is a baby

> first then a baby with special needs, treat her that way! "

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<<Maybe we " special parents " should write a book about how to

help " special parents " . >>

You made me remember...

I found out Rebekah had problems when I was 4 months pregnant. My friend who

was going plan a baby shower never did, and I even received a condolence card

with flowers after her birth. (What bad form!!)

I am starting to think we are doing things that other people can't. After all,

obviously we have mastered our tounges so as not to put people in their place.

Paz,

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I can remember when Tim was born, I don't rember who said it, but we went

through about 4 years of fertility issues--which for some isn't anything at

all, but for us it was hell. We both have issues and our children are donor

children--anyway, someone said, well you work in special ed so this should

be easy for you--I wanted to slap them. And one of the peds. told us,

before the urologist spoke to us, well his penis size is so small--you

should just have a sex change and then you won't have to wowrry about it.

It was all I could do not to jump from my chair and make him a female!!!

I felt like such a failure, first of all I pushed for 2 1/2 hours for

nothing--the cord was around his neck and kept pulling him back in---they

vaccumed him out --I saw him for a split second w/o my glasses--so I saw a

blob and then he was gone. I couldn't breast feed him--cause he couldn't

breathe w/o oxygen and my milk never came in--even though I used the

industrial pump. I was feeling soooooooo overwhelmed about everything and

then this dr. has the nerve to say soemthing like that, I think I spent

almost an hour in the bathroom crying--only to find out he was wrong--and

completely out of line in what he said. anyway, I guess we go through all

that and more for most of you, and there was more with him too, but we do it

and learn from it, and hope we can help anyone else who has gone through it.

people have asked me if I'm on medication too, no, but I probably should

be--I cry alot too---sometimes for no reason.

I guess we were " lucky " because except for the stents in his nose he looked

normal although he had issues that didn't " show " right away. our friends

and family were supportive, but a little too sympathetic sometimes. feeling

sorry, but not offering help. I guess the hardest part for me is my

support system is not close to me, they are in other parts of the US. I do

have soem friends around here that are fairly close, but they still don't

see the day to day stuff. No one has it easy, not matter what your family

life is like--the grass is always greener and all that....ok, I've gone on

enough--we should write a book, Tim's old speech therapist from early

intervention keeps telling me I need to--ah, to have the time.

maria

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> <<Maybe we " special parents " should write a book about how to

> help " special parents " . >>

>

> You made me remember...

> I found out Rebekah had problems when I was 4 months pregnant. My friend

who was going plan a baby shower never did, and I even received a condolence

card with flowers after her birth. (What bad form!!)

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> I am starting to think we are doing things that other people can't. After

all, obviously we have mastered our tounges so as not to put people in their

place.

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I agree. We sure do hold our tongues well most of the time. " People

say the darnest things. "

In the hospital I always hung a poster over 's crib or

bed that read " I'M SPECIAL, GOD DOESN'T MAKE JUNK. " ( It got stolen

in later years at the hospital. I figured the people needed it more

than I did.

A mom of a kid with a broken leg was in with us in a room for 4

kids years ago. She said to me. " You must have done something

horrible for God to give you a child with so many problems. " I was

so angry. I don't even remember what if anything I said. Talk about

bad form !

Our kids go through enough the are the heros. We will survive

and so will they.

Lynn

> <<Maybe we " special parents " should write a book about how to

> help " special parents " . >>

>

> You made me remember...

> I found out Rebekah had problems when I was 4 months pregnant. My

friend who was going plan a baby shower never did, and I even

received a condolence card with flowers after her birth. (What bad

form!!)

>

> I am starting to think we are doing things that other people

can't. After all, obviously we have mastered our tounges so as not

to put people in their place.

>

> Paz,

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