RE: Janie/Carol B More on Ketosis and why we do not need much medication when we use it

[Guest guest]

I am so greatful for your knowledge and wording it to where I can understand

it.   It is strange to say this, but I love you all.  Because you all care

and

try to help by your on experience or giving websites that you believe can

help. 

Thank you and please keep the info coming.

________________________________

To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 11:19:26 AM

Subject: Janie/Carol B More on Ketosis and why we do not

need much medication when we use it

 

Janie and Carol B

 

I am typing this before I forget.

 

Yesterday I posted a blog 'Fibromyalgia Explained' that went into a lot of

detail about what is going on within our nervous system and causing a lot of the

suffering for us. The guy explained it very well, I thought but his ideas about

giving us a cocktail of drugs to deal with this really did not appeal to me

 

Now what I know about all this is that it is true what he says about us having

low dopamine seratonin nouradrenaline etc, and it is also true that we have high

glutamate and substance P. Taking lots of meds to deal with each issue regarding

all this is silly and unnecessary

 

Now I always say to people when they come here do not come of your meds straight

away. I say this because I know that the anticonvulsants like Lyrica do help,

the antidepressants like Amytriptaline do help and the dopamine agonists like

Maripax (I think it is called) help too, and so do numerous pain killers.

Trouble is none of these things help a lot and not of them help for that long

either

 

Anyway I am not going to winge on about them, I think most fibro folk know we

are mega allergic to chemicals and none of us do well with any of this lot and

it can all cause other problems too like to the liver, kidneys heart and so on.

But folk do need them, just at the start so I say what ever you are on stick

with it for now

 

I say, first try to grasp Atkins do what you can and then after a few weeks or

months on Atkins you will be ready to properly learn about ketosis, Bees diet

and so on

 

Now this ketosis thing which most definately works for me (some folk on Bees do

not use ketosis, they just use low carbing but use Bees foods and supplements

because they can see these are better than most foods we might eat) but anyway,

for me it is the ketosis that works and here I am going to explain part of the

reason why this is

 

Notice the guy said we are low in

 

Seratonin

Noradrenaline

Dopamine

 

And high in

 

Glutamate

Supstance P

 

These latter two always appear together and influence each other

 

Well one neuron this guy did not mention is GABA and GABA is the neuron that

heals

 

GABA is made out of glutamate and it seems from what i read folk with fibro

cannnot convert glutamte into GaBA very well when we are using glucose as our

main fule, But when we switch over and start using ketones as fuel, some how our

brain is able to turn glutamate into GABA. With less glutamte, because it has

turned into GABA, we then have less substance P

 

But better still some how and I do not know if it is that GABA increases the

seratonin, noradrenaline dopmaine or if it is just able to utalise them better

but what happens when we are in ketosis is that our all of these neuron start

behaving more normally and this is why I and others are able to get off all

their medication

 

Listen there is more than this going on and I will explain it better when i get

more time, but this is the gist

 

All my love Joanne

[Guest guest]

I am truly excitied and am looking forward to getting where I want to be.  I am

trying to get to the library to see if they have Dr. Atkins book.  If not I may

have a relative that may have it.

The last time I looked at Bee's website, the wealth of info there put my brain

in shut down mode.  LOL   Really, it was too much too soon.  So I will go

back

there and read little by little.

The odd thing is that this morning when I was looking at one of the websites,

Dr. Dryland or something, he had said something that I thought I would check

out.  Candida symptoms fit me perfectly.  For a few examples are, I use to

never

eat sweets, now I have to have it daily, I crave it something fierce, my skin-no

matter how much lotion or oil I ut on my skin especially my legs, are always

flakey and strang looking.  I showed this to my doctor years ago and he said it

was a fungus to treat it with Head and Shoulders shampoo.  Here it is 4 years

later and it's still with me.

But anyway, thank you dear friend.  It's time to put my thinking cap on and get

busy reading.

Looking forward to more of your information.

Oh, and somehow I missed the brain stuff you were talking about, that has been

posted.  Scratch that, was that the dopimine stuff?  Interesting!!!

I LOVE MY 'CURED' FAMILY!!!!!!

________________________________

To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 2:39:38 PM

Subject: Re: Janie/Carol B More on Ketosis and why we do not

need much medication when we use it

 

Carol

 

For me and many here this site is base, this is where we return regularly.

Following this site most of us also spend time at Bees site and then after that

several other sites that I will share more on over the next few days

 

Now none of us here are doctors but all of us that have been here for a while

are doing exceptionally well using low carbing. Yes, low carbing!!!! I am the

only person  here that uses high ketosis daily, some of the others use ketosis

at a lower level or occasionally but in the main they use just normal low

carbing. I am telling you this incase you try to get into ketosis and cannot do

it. I myself recommend it strongly but I also know that terrific results can

still be made by simply getting your carbs down

 

Now in the Atkins book he tells you how to get your carbs down so I wont go on

about all that now, and if you look at Bees site she has an equasion that will

help you get your carbs proteins and fat balanced correctly so that you can

experience healing

 

You will notice, that Bees explanations as to why and how we get well are

different to those I have shared recently, this is OK, Bee is right in all she

says, and I strongly recommend learning her stuff because all of it, not just

the diet will help you

 

I have been posting about the brain and nervous system and how this is helped

because right now I am trying to explain to my dad better why the diet is

working for him and why if he stays with it he may not need more medication and

so on

 

There are times when he gets down and looses faith

 

But listen, with this illness it is not just the brain and nervous system that

needs sorting, it is frankly all of our systems, and as hard as this may be to

beleive Bees diet will help you sort everything from your gut to your limbs to

your skin to you heart to your everything

 

You will here many of us here say do Bees diet as closely as you can and I must

confess I am a beleiver regarding this. I know this may sound a bit like jumping

in blind, but honestly as the weeks go by you will see more and more why Bee

insists on just the foods she allows and no others and just the supplements she

allows and no others

 

I am telling you this because strict adherance does lead to much better success,

but at the same time if there are reasons why you cannot do it, do not give up,

just do what you can

 

Like I said earlier folk do very well simply following the Atkins and the good

thing about doing the Atkins is that his foods are easy to get hold of. Almost

every supermarket seels the things he is talking about

 

It is the same with Bees foods, her foods can be found reasonably easily, but

they sometimes require a certain level of preparation and some things may need

to be bought off the internet or from a whole food shop etc

 

But listen the other thing is this, as hard as this may sound right now, beleive

me once you are up and running you are going to be very surporised just how easy

your life gets when you are doing all this, but I will let you find out for

yourself regarding this

 

Anyway I have to run but if i get chance I will post more later

 

Love Joanne

Subject: Re: Janie/Carol B More on Ketosis and why we do not

need much medication when we use it

To: fibromyalgiacured

Date: Tuesday, 10 May, 2011, 15:37

 

I am so greatful for your knowledge and wording it to where I can understand

it.   It is strange to say this, but I love you all.  Because you all care

and

try to help by your on experience or giving websites that you believe can

help. 

Thank you and please keep the info coming.

________________________________

To: fibromyalgiacured

Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 11:19:26 AM

Subject: Janie/Carol B More on Ketosis and why we do not

need much medication when we use it

 

Janie and Carol B

 

I am typing this before I forget.

 

Yesterday I posted a blog 'Fibromyalgia Explained' that went into a lot of

detail about what is going on within our nervous system and causing a lot of the

suffering for us. The guy explained it very well, I thought but his ideas about

giving us a cocktail of drugs to deal with this really did not appeal to me

 

Now what I know about all this is that it is true what he says about us having

low dopamine seratonin nouradrenaline etc, and it is also true that we have high

glutamate and substance P. Taking lots of meds to deal with each issue regarding

all this is silly and unnecessary

 

Now I always say to people when they come here do not come of your meds straight

away. I say this because I know that the anticonvulsants like Lyrica do help,

the antidepressants like Amytriptaline do help and the dopamine agonists like

Maripax (I think it is called) help too, and so do numerous pain killers.

Trouble is none of these things help a lot and not of them help for that long

either

 

Anyway I am not going to winge on about them, I think most fibro folk know we

are mega allergic to chemicals and none of us do well with any of this lot and

it can all cause other problems too like to the liver, kidneys heart and so on.

But folk do need them, just at the start so I say what ever you are on stick

with it for now

 

I say, first try to grasp Atkins do what you can and then after a few weeks or

months on Atkins you will be ready to properly learn about ketosis, Bees diet

and so on

 

Now this ketosis thing which most definately works for me (some folk on Bees do

not use ketosis, they just use low carbing but use Bees foods and supplements

because they can see these are better than most foods we might eat) but anyway,

for me it is the ketosis that works and here I am going to explain part of the

reason why this is

 

Notice the guy said we are low in

 

Seratonin

Noradrenaline

Dopamine

 

And high in

 

Glutamate

Supstance P

 

These latter two always appear together and influence each other

 

Well one neuron this guy did not mention is GABA and GABA is the neuron that

heals

 

GABA is made out of glutamate and it seems from what i read folk with fibro

cannnot convert glutamte into GaBA very well when we are using glucose as our

main fule, But when we switch over and start using ketones as fuel, some how our

brain is able to turn glutamate into GABA. With less glutamte, because it has

turned into GABA, we then have less substance P

 

But better still some how and I do not know if it is that GABA increases the

seratonin, noradrenaline dopmaine or if it is just able to utalise them better

but what happens when we are in ketosis is that our all of these neuron start

behaving more normally and this is why I and others are able to get off all

their medication

 

Listen there is more than this going on and I will explain it better when i get

more time, but this is the gist

 

All my love Joanne

[Guest guest]

Carol B wrote:

->>...The last time I looked at Bee's website, the wealth of info there put

my brain in shut down mode.  LOL   Really, it was too much too soon.  So I

will go back there and read little by little.<<

This was me, too, Carol. It does make me sad that Bee hopes that we will

read her articles, absorb it and understand it clearly when we first start

out; I'll bring that up with her. The she really is swell on answering our

questions (that have been asked 1000 times...). But that is key: little by

little. And the more you heal, the more will register in your brain.

>>... Here it is 4 years later and it's still with me.<<

Isn't that nuts??? That was me with antibiotics for my cea... While

waiting in the derm's office one day, I noted an article that said I should

be " cleared up " after 3 months on treatment and I was close to 4 yrs!

Like Bee says, " Knowledge is Power " !