Re: Ketogenic & Children develop Cardiomyopathy Link, etc.

[Guest guest]

Hi

Bee's diet is ketogenic, but don't have in the diet the cream, and processed

fatty acids. Joanne can tell you more about that. I have not had any cholesterol

tests in years, so cannot comment on my levels. Our bodies can make cholesterol

when we need it to correct inflammation, and goes down when not needed, and

triglyceride levels are the ones to be more concerned about, and my research,

and some books I read, says sugar raises those. Now if a person smokes, or in a

toxic environment, they should worry about heart disease. I have hear the book

" cholesterol Myth " is good to read. Some people stay on the diet only a few

years, because they seem to be " cured " of epilepsy or migraines. The diet cures

only about a 1/3, and about a third get better. Bee does ask some about their

thyroid medication, how long on it, etc to advise them about possibly going off

it. Coconut oil can be very potent. It has many benefits. A friend of my cousin

took just a 1/4 teaspoon and it really cleaned her out. Bee has been a " candida "

so called expert since the 1980s. She does keep refining/changing things to a

certain extent. I know I cannot go back to eating like everyone else, because

now I get more detox reactions than I ever did before. My body is much more

efficient at getting rid of what I take in that is not good for us.

Best,

C.

>

> , though I decided to go with this diet, I did much research way back,

and educated myself as to pros and cons, no name calling of people with

differing opinions, just getting to the facts. This particual study with

children always stood out in my mind. And here's a second link, and when I was

deciding whether or not to do this diet, it was often referred to as a quick

fix. Now I am on the fence as I need to see longterm effects, which there are

many studies, pro and con, but it's incontrovertable that most Atkins, Ketogenic

studies show elevated cholesterol, etc.

>

> Do we do something differnt on this board? Is it the CO that everyone can't

use that keeps cholesterol down? I remember reading b4 beginning the diet that

even in long term ketosis there are these problems and others.

>

> I am not wanting this diet to not be the answer to curing health, (as I'm

doing it, and may be in ketosis with my fruity breath and metalic taste some

time back), but before starting this diet I read it interfered with the Krebs

cycle, and then the brain using whatever passes the blood brain barrier for fuel

in ketosis could cause brain fog, the liver and kidney, heart, and arthritic

problems, so I came in to this diet with open eyes, and I just want to know if

we do something different, as I hear much illness on this board, though at the

same time I hear how much better? It seems mixed signals.

> http://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/about/news/release/2000/7-diet.htm

> http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=218407

>

> I have probably read 30 similar articles like the links above and just as

verifiable as the 1st with the children. So though this diet has been around

since 1920 or 22? I know even the people it helps can have problems from it.

Many of the problems I've heard have been cited on this board.

>

> I want us all to be healthy long-term and for this diet to be the answer and

if there is something Bee does that is differnt that eliminates the problems

I've read of in the studies then I am for this. But to fain to be uninformed and

unaware of documented problems with the diet would be dishonest. Personally,

right now I feel better with this diet and I am sticking with it, but with my

eyes open. And I wish I could to CO which I think helps keep cholesterol down a

lot.

>

> Yes, I have decided this is better for me right now than higher carb, but I am

not uninformed or uneducated. I was hesitant to do this diet because of the

kidney, liver, heart issues and more. But I intuitively felt that right now with

the candida out of conrol this is best for me right now.

>

> I want facts and studies. Feeling good for a while is wonderful, and so is

clearing candida. And this may be my permanent diet, but I will be informed and

not myopic and I know as you are one who researches you will appreciate this.

>

> Maybe Bee's changed this diet so cholesterol and other things don't rise, and

I don't have the many links that I studies b4 this diet that Atkins and

Ketogenic significantly raise cholesterol and other things. I can't remember.

I've heard one or 2 people say this diet lowers " their " cholesterol, but my labs

I am waiting to see this week. And that is not what the majority of studies

show, so I wonder why people on this board have lowered cholesterol? I'd like to

understand is it the coconut oil, etc?

>

> In the spirit of knowledge is power. I want to know does Bees board people

have lower cholerterol etc? Great, if so I am for this. How long has her diet

been going on?

>

> See, and I am not speaking of you, but to be " hushed at " because someone else

believes differently and inferred you are an ignoramous because you are trying

to see the whole picture only makes me more motivated to see not just see, but

to ask about both sides of the fence with the Ketogenic diet. I beleive very few

are daft on this board.

>

> Love,

>

> Jean

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have had a good feeling about CO since I got on this board and what you said

about cholesterol makes sense and also just being hypothyroid can make it go up.

The trycglycerides I must look into, but I know they are not the thing to have

in wrong balance or at wrong levels. I think my mistake with the CO I made was

that I also took my thyroid med and they do the same thing. Yes, I'm sure there

are many myths, like the great food we ate growing up with from the late 50's

that has helped make many of us sick.

When you said some people stay on the diet only a few yrs is that Bees or

ketogenic? I thought maybe I could do that, but I was thinking a lot about it

today and if there was some illness I had that was controlled and cured by it,

then I might stay on it.

I must learn about Bees when I feel up to it. Right now with this x-mas Boutique

I have eaten carbs and I can't believe it. I love working decorating the

tree,setting up all the merchandise we buy from vendors but it's stressful and

then they put out carb treats or food.

What's strange, is I hardly crave carbs at all, but since cheating at this

boutique which is on for 2 more wkends at least, I am now craving carbs since

cheating. I don't know what's going on.

I'm trying to do nuts when I want carbs. Okay thank you and I will look for the

book. Quite tired from all the set up for this and even layed down when my

friend was over. She is a close friend and I knew she would not be offended as

she has hashi's and her energy just cuts out too. She is another on Corvalen M.

Okay my dear, thanks for all.

Love,

Jean

> >

> > , though I decided to go with this diet, I did much research way back,

and educated myself as to pros and cons, no name calling of people with

differing opinions, just getting to the facts. This particual study with

children always stood out in my mind. And here's a second link, and when I was

deciding whether or not to do this diet, it was often referred to as a quick

fix. Now I am on the fence as I need to see longterm effects, which there are

many studies, pro and con, but it's incontrovertable that most Atkins, Ketogenic

studies show elevated cholesterol, etc.

> >

> > Do we do something differnt on this board? Is it the CO that everyone can't

use that keeps cholesterol down? I remember reading b4 beginning the diet that

even in long term ketosis there are these problems and others.

> >

> > I am not wanting this diet to not be the answer to curing health, (as I'm

doing it, and may be in ketosis with my fruity breath and metalic taste some

time back), but before starting this diet I read it interfered with the Krebs

cycle, and then the brain using whatever passes the blood brain barrier for fuel

in ketosis could cause brain fog, the liver and kidney, heart, and arthritic

problems, so I came in to this diet with open eyes, and I just want to know if

we do something different, as I hear much illness on this board, though at the

same time I hear how much better? It seems mixed signals.

> > http://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/about/news/release/2000/7-diet.htm

> > http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=218407

> >

> > I have probably read 30 similar articles like the links above and just as

verifiable as the 1st with the children. So though this diet has been around

since 1920 or 22? I know even the people it helps can have problems from it.

Many of the problems I've heard have been cited on this board.

> >

> > I want us all to be healthy long-term and for this diet to be the answer and

if there is something Bee does that is differnt that eliminates the problems

I've read of in the studies then I am for this. But to fain to be uninformed and

unaware of documented problems with the diet would be dishonest. Personally,

right now I feel better with this diet and I am sticking with it, but with my

eyes open. And I wish I could to CO which I think helps keep cholesterol down a

lot.

> >

> > Yes, I have decided this is better for me right now than higher carb, but I

am not uninformed or uneducated. I was hesitant to do this diet because of the

kidney, liver, heart issues and more. But I intuitively felt that right now with

the candida out of conrol this is best for me right now.

> >

> > I want facts and studies. Feeling good for a while is wonderful, and so is

clearing candida. And this may be my permanent diet, but I will be informed and

not myopic and I know as you are one who researches you will appreciate this.

> >

> > Maybe Bee's changed this diet so cholesterol and other things don't rise,

and I don't have the many links that I studies b4 this diet that Atkins and

Ketogenic significantly raise cholesterol and other things. I can't remember.

I've heard one or 2 people say this diet lowers " their " cholesterol, but my labs

I am waiting to see this week. And that is not what the majority of studies

show, so I wonder why people on this board have lowered cholesterol? I'd like to

understand is it the coconut oil, etc?

> >

> > In the spirit of knowledge is power. I want to know does Bees board people

have lower cholerterol etc? Great, if so I am for this. How long has her diet

been going on?

> >

> > See, and I am not speaking of you, but to be " hushed at " because someone

else believes differently and inferred you are an ignoramous because you are

trying to see the whole picture only makes me more motivated to see not just

see, but to ask about both sides of the fence with the Ketogenic diet. I beleive

very few are daft on this board.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Jean

>

[Guest guest]

Hi In bees group some are cured of candida after a month for a year after

being sick, but that means your diet can be not quite as strict, but still

cannot have sugar or processed food, and not a lot of fruit. I have many more

years left to be strict. The diet for a few years was for people on it for

epilepsy or migraines when they would no longer have it. If I have anything high

carb, it makes the cravings come back. I can resist the cravings for the most

part, but still wise to avoid them in the first place.

Best,

C

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have had a good feeling about CO since I got on this board and what you said

about cholesterol makes sense and also just being hypothyroid can make it go up.

The trycglycerides I must look into, but I know they are not the thing to have

in wrong balance or at wrong levels. I think my mistake with the CO I made was

that I also took my thyroid med and they do the same thing. Yes, I'm sure there

are many myths, like the great food we ate growing up with from the late 50's

that has helped make many of us sick.

>

> When you said some people stay on the diet only a few yrs is that Bees or

ketogenic? I thought maybe I could do that, but I was thinking a lot about it

today and if there was some illness I had that was controlled and cured by it,

then I might stay on it.

>

> I must learn about Bees when I feel up to it. Right now with this x-mas

Boutique I have eaten carbs and I can't believe it. I love working decorating

the tree,setting up all the merchandise we buy from vendors but it's stressful

and then they put out carb treats or food.

>

> What's strange, is I hardly crave carbs at all, but since cheating at this

boutique which is on for 2 more wkends at least, I am now craving carbs since

cheating. I don't know what's going on.

>

> I'm trying to do nuts when I want carbs. Okay thank you and I will look for

the book. Quite tired from all the set up for this and even layed down when my

friend was over. She is a close friend and I knew she would not be offended as

she has hashi's and her energy just cuts out too. She is another on Corvalen M.

>

> Okay my dear, thanks for all.

>

> Love,

>

> Jean

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