Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Hi, Briggy, Oh... a lot of us take our pills in smaller doses, several times a day.. so, no, that's not odd. As far as your tests... TSH alone doesn't tell a whole lot about thyroid health. You'll get a much better picture of what is going on with a few more tests. You'll need to check both Free T4 and Free T3 as well as thyroid antibodies. Are there any other symptoms that you have (other than inability to conceive) that caused you to suspect thyroid problems? Do you have any other family members that have thyroid or immune diseases? Let's see what we can figure out with this. It would be best to start out with finding out why your TSH was elevated.. then go from there to find out why the low dose that you are starting with is not agreeing with you? Welcome to our little family. Topper () On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:07:32 -0000 " briggy1997 " writes: > Hello. I wanted to get anyone's experience/advice. I had three TSH > > tests done over the span of two weeks. The results were 9.0, 4.66, > > and 6.9. With the 6.9 test, my T4 was low, but within range. > > At my request, because I am trying to conceive and know that thryoid > > problems can affect conception, my dr. gave me .025 levoxyl. I > started taking it last Wednesday and have felt much better. I am > not > tired anymore and have more energy. > > I take the pill in the a.m. On the first night, I had what I > believe > is a heart palpitation, but it was also accompanied by indigestion, > > which I normally don't get. > > Every night thereafter, I have had indigestion, where my chest feels > > tight, and one or two heart palpitations. The indigestion feels > worse while lying down, better when upright. > > I also noticed the last two days that I am a lot hungrier than > normal. I think the .025 may be too much medication for me. In an > > effort to remedy the situation myself, I split the pill in half this > > a.m., which gives me .0125. How long do you think it would take to > > show any difference in my health, good or bad? Has anyone ever > split > pills before and is it ok? > > Thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Ok, here goes the history: 6/21 TSH 9.06 (Range 0.32-5.00) Prolactin 36.8 (Range 3.4-24.1) Free T4 .9 (Range 0.7-1.9) 6/24 TSH 4.66 (Range 0.32-5.00) Free T4 .88 (Range 0.7-1.9) 7/8 TSH (3rd Generation) 6.954 (Range 0.35-5.50) Tree Thyroixing Index (T7) 7.2 (Range 6.0-11.4) Total T4 7.4 (Range 6.5-10.5) T3 Uptake 30.98 (Range 24.4-39.1) Triiodothyronine Free (Free T3) 4.3 (Range 2.3-4.2) GP put me on .025 Levoxyl at my request. When she received the lab results for 6/24, she said it was normal and to come back in three months for a retest. I thought that it wasn't normal for my TSH to be hopping around like that. Is it? My mother is hypo, uncle (mother's brother) had graves during childhood. I got pregnant in April but had an early miscarriage @ 5 weeks. I have read that TSH should be between 1 and 2 for conception purposes. Thanks for answering my questions! > Hi, Briggy, > > Oh... a lot of us take our pills in smaller doses, several times a day.. > so, no, that's not odd. > > As far as your tests... TSH alone doesn't tell a whole lot about thyroid > health. > > You'll get a much better picture of what is going on with a few more > tests. You'll need to check both Free T4 and Free T3 as well as thyroid > antibodies. > > Are there any other symptoms that you have (other than inability to > conceive) that caused you to suspect thyroid problems? > > Do you have any other family members that have thyroid or immune > diseases? > > Let's see what we can figure out with this. It would be best to start out > with finding out why your TSH was elevated.. then go from there to find > out why the low dose that you are starting with is not agreeing with you? > > Welcome to our little family. > > Topper () > > On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:07:32 -0000 " briggy1997 " <briggy1997@y...> > writes: > > Hello. I wanted to get anyone's experience/advice. I had three TSH > > > > tests done over the span of two weeks. The results were 9.0, 4.66, > > > > and 6.9. With the 6.9 test, my T4 was low, but within range. > > > > At my request, because I am trying to conceive and know that thryoid > > > > problems can affect conception, my dr. gave me .025 levoxyl. I > > started taking it last Wednesday and have felt much better. I am > > not > > tired anymore and have more energy. > > > > I take the pill in the a.m. On the first night, I had what I > > believe > > is a heart palpitation, but it was also accompanied by indigestion, > > > > which I normally don't get. > > > > Every night thereafter, I have had indigestion, where my chest feels > > > > tight, and one or two heart palpitations. The indigestion feels > > worse while lying down, better when upright. > > > > I also noticed the last two days that I am a lot hungrier than > > normal. I think the .025 may be too much medication for me. In an > > > > effort to remedy the situation myself, I split the pill in half this > > > > a.m., which gives me .0125. How long do you think it would take to > > > > show any difference in my health, good or bad? Has anyone ever > > split > > pills before and is it ok? > > > > Thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 They need to run anti-bodies for Hashi's... Hey gang... you guys seeing the same thing? Hashimoto's thyroiditis involves antibodies that attack the thyroid causing fluctuations in hormone output. The fluctuations can occur over weeks or years, depending on the individual. It's also my understanding that Grave's doesn't go away.. I wonder if he had the hyper phase of Hashi's and then it mellowed out? Opinions gang? Topper () On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:41:30 -0000 " briggy1997 " writes: > Ok, here goes the history: > > 6/21 TSH 9.06 (Range 0.32-5.00) > Prolactin 36.8 (Range 3.4-24.1) > Free T4 .9 (Range 0.7-1.9) > > 6/24 TSH 4.66 (Range 0.32-5.00) > Free T4 .88 (Range 0.7-1.9) > > 7/8 TSH (3rd Generation) 6.954 (Range 0.35-5.50) > Tree Thyroixing Index (T7) 7.2 (Range 6.0-11.4) > Total T4 7.4 (Range 6.5-10.5) > T3 Uptake 30.98 (Range 24.4-39.1) > Triiodothyronine Free (Free T3) 4.3 (Range 2.3-4.2) > > GP put me on .025 Levoxyl at my request. When she received the lab results for 6/24, she said it was normal and to come back in three > months for a retest. I thought that it wasn't normal for my TSH to > be hopping around like that. Is it? > My mother is hypo, uncle (mother's brother) had graves during > childhood. > I got pregnant in April but had an early miscarriage @ 5 weeks. I > have read that TSH should be between 1 and 2 for conception > purposes. > Thanks for answering my questions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 What you are probably experiencing is a hypoglycemia and a little adrenal fatigue. This is a pretty clear indication that you are low thyroid. Palipitations, especially after a meal are common symptoms of adrenal fatigue. When a person is hypothyroid for a while, the adrenals become weak. Their output and strength is governed by thyroid levels in the blood. So, when you take thyroid hormone after the adrenals have become weak, it is like giving the adrenals speed. They quickly use up their stores, especially when a lot is needed for digestion and other stresses. Adrenal hormones have to be high enough for the thyroid levels. If it gets out of balance with thyroid, you will experience symptoms of excess thyroid. This is because adrenal hormones are what allows thyroid to enter cells. If there isn't enough adrenal then thyroid builds up in the blood affecting the heart and muscles (stomach and intestines). But the rest of you is still hypo. The most common way to deal with this is to do what you did and drop the dose. Some doctors will prescribe low dose hydrocortisone for people with adrenal fatigue before starting them on thyroid. In adrenal fatigue, you have to raise the thyroid doses more slowly giving your adrenals time to build up their strength. Usually you wait about two weeks to amonth before raising the dose up again. A lot depends on how severe the hypothyroidism was and how long it has gone on. Many doctors are so ignorant about adrenal problems and thyroid. It clearly states in the thyroid medication literature that you must check for low adrenal function before prescribing thyroid. Otherwise the patient can end up in the hospital with an adrenal crisis. In other words not enough adrenal for proper heart function. Your dose is not too high. In Dr. Young's book " Thyroid: Guardian of health " He states that it is impossible to overdose untill you reach 4-1/2 to 5 grains of Armour or about 330 mcg to 370 mcg of Synthroid or Lavoxyl. This is because the healthy thyroid produces this much hormone in a day. Whatever you give a healthy person, their thyroids will dorp production to keep it under 4-1/2 to 5 grains. The body also increases it's rate breakdown of thyroid when it is too high. So the body adjusts down to compensate for thryoid taken in healthy people. The typical low end final thyroid dose for patients on Synthroid is about 100 to 200 mcg and the typical Armour low end dose is about 2- 3 grains. Check out Gail's thyroid tips. It is a very good article on treating hypothyroidism. http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/ This is just a comment, but your TSH is way high, a clear sign that you have hypothyroidism. The new ranges for TSH are 0.5 to 3.0. Many labs are still using the old ranges of about 0.5 to 5.0. Many doctors have not caught up with the changes. Newer reaearch has found that people who have TSHs above 2.5 for some time ultimately develope hypothyroidism. There was an article in Life Extension Magazine last year on this. The most healthy range is thought to be between 0.5 and 2.0. I can't believe your doctor didn't treat you as soon as he saw this. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 My gosh! I agree with Topper. Your labs sure show something is wrong. I really don't understand why your doc would say you are normal. Actually, it is common in primary thyroid failure for Free T3 to look pretty good and T4 to be at the low end of the scale or just off it. That is what happened to me. The body is compensating for deminishing T4 by milking more T3 out of it. Conversion of T4 to T3 commonly increases when T4 stores start to get low. Just because the T4 is in the normal range just barely doesn't mean all is great. Test ranges tend to be skewed toward hypothyoidism due to how the ranges are determined. Tish > > Hi, Briggy, > > > > Oh... a lot of us take our pills in smaller doses, several times a > day.. > > so, no, that's not odd. > > > > As far as your tests... TSH alone doesn't tell a whole lot about > thyroid > > health. > > > > You'll get a much better picture of what is going on with a few more > > tests. You'll need to check both Free T4 and Free T3 as well as > thyroid > > antibodies. > > > > Are there any other symptoms that you have (other than inability to > > conceive) that caused you to suspect thyroid problems? > > > > Do you have any other family members that have thyroid or immune > > diseases? > > > > Let's see what we can figure out with this. It would be best to > start out > > with finding out why your TSH was elevated.. then go from there to > find > > out why the low dose that you are starting with is not agreeing > with you? > > > > Welcome to our little family. > > > > Topper () > > > > On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:07:32 -0000 " briggy1997 " <briggy1997@y...> > > writes: > > > Hello. I wanted to get anyone's experience/advice. I had three > TSH > > > > > > tests done over the span of two weeks. The results were 9.0, > 4.66, > > > > > > and 6.9. With the 6.9 test, my T4 was low, but within range. > > > > > > At my request, because I am trying to conceive and know that > thryoid > > > > > > problems can affect conception, my dr. gave me .025 levoxyl. I > > > started taking it last Wednesday and have felt much better. I am > > > not > > > tired anymore and have more energy. > > > > > > I take the pill in the a.m. On the first night, I had what I > > > believe > > > is a heart palpitation, but it was also accompanied by > indigestion, > > > > > > which I normally don't get. > > > > > > Every night thereafter, I have had indigestion, where my chest > feels > > > > > > tight, and one or two heart palpitations. The indigestion feels > > > worse while lying down, better when upright. > > > > > > I also noticed the last two days that I am a lot hungrier than > > > normal. I think the .025 may be too much medication for me. In > an > > > > > > effort to remedy the situation myself, I split the pill in half > this > > > > > > a.m., which gives me .0125. How long do you think it would take > to > > > > > > show any difference in my health, good or bad? Has anyone ever > > > split > > > pills before and is it ok? > > > > > > Thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Thank you for such an informative post! I didn't consider my TSH that high. I've read articles where they are much higher...30's, 50's, etc. Based on the info you provided, I will take the half dose for 4 weeks and then start the full .025 dose. I am also going to look into supplements to support both the thyroid and adrenals. I am being forced to change doctors because our group is being dropped from our current plan. I have made an appointment with a new GP for August 19. That will give me a full month at the lower dose, so hopefully (if he's good), I will get follow up testing and I will also request the antibody tests at that time. > What you are probably experiencing is a hypoglycemia and a little > adrenal fatigue. This is a pretty clear indication that you are low > thyroid. Palipitations, especially after a meal are common symptoms > of adrenal fatigue. When a person is hypothyroid for a while, the > adrenals become weak. Their output and strength is governed by > thyroid levels in the blood. So, when you take thyroid hormone after > the adrenals have become weak, it is like giving the adrenals speed. > They quickly use up their stores, especially when a lot is needed > for digestion and other stresses. Adrenal hormones have to be high > enough for the thyroid levels. If it gets out of balance with > thyroid, you will experience symptoms of excess thyroid. This is > because adrenal hormones are what allows thyroid to enter cells. If > there isn't enough adrenal then thyroid builds up in the blood > affecting the heart and muscles (stomach and intestines). But the > rest of you is still hypo. > > The most common way to deal with this is to do what you did and drop > the dose. Some doctors will prescribe low dose hydrocortisone for > people with adrenal fatigue before starting them on thyroid. In > adrenal fatigue, you have to raise the thyroid doses more slowly > giving your adrenals time to build up their strength. Usually you > wait about two weeks to amonth before raising the dose up again. A > lot depends on how severe the hypothyroidism was and how long it has > gone on. Many doctors are so ignorant about adrenal problems and > thyroid. It clearly states in the thyroid medication literature that > you must check for low adrenal function before prescribing thyroid. > Otherwise the patient can end up in the hospital with an adrenal > crisis. In other words not enough adrenal for proper heart function. > > Your dose is not too high. In Dr. Young's book " Thyroid: Guardian of > health " He states that it is impossible to overdose untill you reach > 4-1/2 to 5 grains of Armour or about 330 mcg to 370 mcg of Synthroid > or Lavoxyl. This is because the healthy thyroid produces this much > hormone in a day. Whatever you give a healthy person, their thyroids > will dorp production to keep it under 4-1/2 to 5 grains. The body > also increases it's rate breakdown of thyroid when it is too high. > So the body adjusts down to compensate for thryoid taken in healthy > people. > > The typical low end final thyroid dose for patients on Synthroid is > about 100 to 200 mcg and the typical Armour low end dose is about 2- > 3 grains. Check out Gail's thyroid tips. It is a very good article > on treating hypothyroidism. > http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/ > > This is just a comment, but your TSH is way high, a clear sign that > you have hypothyroidism. The new ranges for TSH are 0.5 to 3.0. Many > labs are still using the old ranges of about 0.5 to 5.0. Many > doctors have not caught up with the changes. Newer reaearch has > found that people who have TSHs above 2.5 for some time ultimately > develope hypothyroidism. There was an article in Life Extension > Magazine last year on this. The most healthy range is thought to be > between 0.5 and 2.0. I can't believe your doctor didn't treat you as > soon as he saw this. > > Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 This would not be enough time for any thyroid hormone to build up in your system, since T4 is the storage hormone. Splitting the T4 does not make any difference, since it will take a few wks for a dosage to make any difference in this type of thyroid med. Do you suppose you're having a sensitivity to a filler ingredient in the pills? I am allergic to different fillers in different things. The dose you are taking is the smallest dose, and more is usually started. That is a very small dose. Question about Meds > Hello. I wanted to get anyone's experience/advice. I had three TSH > tests done over the span of two weeks. The results were 9.0, 4.66, > and 6.9. With the 6.9 test, my T4 was low, but within range. > > At my request, because I am trying to conceive and know that thryoid > problems can affect conception, my dr. gave me .025 levoxyl. I > started taking it last Wednesday and have felt much better. I am not > tired anymore and have more energy. > > I take the pill in the a.m. On the first night, I had what I believe > is a heart palpitation, but it was also accompanied by indigestion, > which I normally don't get. > > Every night thereafter, I have had indigestion, where my chest feels > tight, and one or two heart palpitations. The indigestion feels > worse while lying down, better when upright. > > I also noticed the last two days that I am a lot hungrier than > normal. I think the .025 may be too much medication for me. In an > effort to remedy the situation myself, I split the pill in half this > a.m., which gives me .0125. How long do you think it would take to > show any difference in my health, good or bad? Has anyone ever split > pills before and is it ok? > > Thanks for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 You need another doctor. As soon as your TSH got right inside the OLD lab ranges, your doctor proclaimed you as " normal " . Meanwhile you suffer! As said, you will be spinning your wheels until you find an appropriate doctor or treat yourself. Re: Question about Meds > Ok, here goes the history: > > 6/21 TSH 9.06 (Range 0.32-5.00) > Prolactin 36.8 (Range 3.4-24.1) > Free T4 .9 (Range 0.7-1.9) > > 6/24 TSH 4.66 (Range 0.32-5.00) > Free T4 .88 (Range 0.7-1.9) > > 7/8 TSH (3rd Generation) 6.954 (Range 0.35-5.50) > Tree Thyroixing Index (T7) 7.2 (Range 6.0-11.4) > Total T4 7.4 (Range 6.5-10.5) > T3 Uptake 30.98 (Range 24.4-39.1) > Triiodothyronine Free (Free T3) 4.3 (Range 2.3-4.2) > > GP put me on .025 Levoxyl at my request. When she received the lab > results for 6/24, she said it was normal and to come back in three > months for a retest. I thought that it wasn't normal for my TSH to > be hopping around like that. Is it? > > My mother is hypo, uncle (mother's brother) had graves during > childhood. > > I got pregnant in April but had an early miscarriage @ 5 weeks. I > have read that TSH should be between 1 and 2 for conception purposes. > > Thanks for answering my questions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Looks like the T4 is definitely being converted, except for one thing. I don't even see how the Free T3 is that high because she has almost no T4, and then they did Totals on the last testing, to make it worse, so that you don't really know what the Free t4 is at all. her gland is making almost no T4, but notice that this Mainstream Doctor proclaimed her normal as soon as the TSH got just inside the ancient normal values. Time to change docs. Even the last testing isn't normal. Re: Re: Question about Meds > They need to run anti-bodies for Hashi's... > > Hey gang... you guys seeing the same thing? > > Hashimoto's thyroiditis involves antibodies that attack the thyroid > causing fluctuations in hormone output. The fluctuations can occur over > weeks or years, depending on the individual. > > It's also my understanding that Grave's doesn't go away.. I wonder if he > had the hyper phase of Hashi's and then it mellowed out? > > Opinions gang? > > Topper () > > On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:41:30 -0000 " briggy1997 " > writes: > > Ok, here goes the history: > > > > 6/21 TSH 9.06 (Range 0.32-5.00) > > Prolactin 36.8 (Range 3.4-24.1) > > Free T4 .9 (Range 0.7-1.9) > > > > 6/24 TSH 4.66 (Range 0.32-5.00) > > Free T4 .88 (Range 0.7-1.9) > > > > 7/8 TSH (3rd Generation) 6.954 (Range 0.35-5.50) > > Tree Thyroixing Index (T7) 7.2 (Range 6.0-11.4) > > Total T4 7.4 (Range 6.5-10.5) > > T3 Uptake 30.98 (Range 24.4-39.1) > > Triiodothyronine Free (Free T3) 4.3 (Range 2.3-4.2) > > > > GP put me on .025 Levoxyl at my request. When she received the lab > results for 6/24, she said it was normal and to come back in three > > months for a retest. I thought that it wasn't normal for my TSH to > > be hopping around like that. Is it? > > My mother is hypo, uncle (mother's brother) had graves during > > childhood. > > I got pregnant in April but had an early miscarriage @ 5 weeks. I > > have read that TSH should be between 1 and 2 for conception > > purposes. > > Thanks for answering my questions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Oh how I wish you had explained that in another group, . I am not very scientific and people threw a fit when I said a change in medication from Synthroid to generic shouldn't be enough for the person to feel a difference after 2 days, even assuming the generic was weaker (which there is no proof of). I've always read that T4 takes weeks to reach steady state in the body. Jan wrote: >This would not be enough time for any thyroid hormone to build up in your >system, since T4 is the storage hormone. Splitting the T4 does not make any >difference, since it will take a few wks for a dosage to make any difference >in this type of thyroid med. Do you suppose you're having a sensitivity to >a filler ingredient in the pills? I am allergic to different fillers in >different things. The dose you are taking is the smallest dose, and more is >usually started. That is a very small dose. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 What she said. New doctor. Jan wrote: >You need another doctor. As soon as your TSH got right inside the OLD lab >ranges, your doctor proclaimed you as " normal " . Meanwhile you suffer! As >said, you will be spinning your wheels until you find an appropriate doctor >or treat yourself. > > > > Re: Question about Meds > > > > >>Ok, here goes the history: >> >>6/21 TSH 9.06 (Range 0.32-5.00) >> Prolactin 36.8 (Range 3.4-24.1) >> Free T4 .9 (Range 0.7-1.9) >> >>6/24 TSH 4.66 (Range 0.32-5.00) >> Free T4 .88 (Range 0.7-1.9) >> >>7/8 TSH (3rd Generation) 6.954 (Range 0.35-5.50) >> Tree Thyroixing Index (T7) 7.2 (Range 6.0-11.4) >> Total T4 7.4 (Range 6.5-10.5) >> T3 Uptake 30.98 (Range 24.4-39.1) >> Triiodothyronine Free (Free T3) 4.3 (Range 2.3-4.2) >> >>GP put me on .025 Levoxyl at my request. When she received the lab >>results for 6/24, she said it was normal and to come back in three >>months for a retest. I thought that it wasn't normal for my TSH to >>be hopping around like that. Is it? >> >>My mother is hypo, uncle (mother's brother) had graves during >>childhood. >> >>I got pregnant in April but had an early miscarriage @ 5 weeks. I >>have read that TSH should be between 1 and 2 for conception purposes. >> >>Thanks for answering my questions! >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 This is exactly what happened to me. My TSH was high, T4 at the very bottom of the range and Free T3 right in the middle of the range. I felt like dog doo. If you dig around in Dr. Rind's site, you will find this is a typical scenario of primary thyroid failure. The body is increasing conversion of T4 to T3 to try and get more energy. But, since the lab scales are tipped toward hyothyroidism, having T3 dead in the middle of the range is probably a little low and it should be above the mid range to be the proper level. I had a terrible reaction to just 15 mcg of Lavoxyl, which is what my first doctor started me on. I became a total insomniac and couldn't sleep more than 1-2 hours a night. It was all adrenal. So, from my own experience, a person can have a bad reaction to very small thyroid doses. It is not the amount of thyroid, but what it does to the adrenals that are exhausted. It empties them out of their reserves and then you suffer with not having enough for some important functions like digestion, fat to glucose conversion, heart regulation, proper sleep rythem, anti-imflammatory needs, immune system needs. My new doc put me on a little hydrocortisone and things got a lot better. I later switched to non prescrition IsoCort, 5 to 9 tablets a day. IsoCort has 2.5 mg hydrocortisone per tablet. This helped tremendously. Anyway, I am living proof that tiny amounts of benign T4 can cause big problems if you've been hypo a long time and don't have adrenal reserve. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 If you check about.com Shomon has information about that due to the fact there are some new generics. The thyroid is so sensitive to medication. Even changing from a name brand to a generic. Louise > > >This would not be enough time for any thyroid hormone to build up in your > >system, since T4 is the storage hormone. Splitting the T4 does not make any > >difference, since it will take a few wks for a dosage to make any difference > >in this type of thyroid med. Do you suppose you're having a sensitivity to > >a filler ingredient in the pills? I am allergic to different fillers in > >different things. The dose you are taking is the smallest dose, and more is > >usually started. That is a very small dose. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Yes, I know - lots of people feel a change from Synthroid to Levoxyl or any other change. But my point was 2 days is not long enough with T4. Jan LestatL382@... wrote: >If you check about.com Shomon has information about that due to >the fact there are some new generics. The thyroid is so sensitive to >medication. Even changing from a name brand to a generic. > >Louise > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Thank you all for your input. Tish, you have such thorough responses. I have really enjoyed reading them and appreciate you taking the time to develop them. I didn't change from any other meds...I wasn't on any. This is my first time taking anything. I truly felt better after a few days as I was not tired anymore, which was my main symptom. Since I cut my dose in half yesterday morning and started back on the B Complex, I had less indigestion last night and I was able to go to sleep without palpitations. I may increase the Levoxyl in a couple of weeks to the full dose or I may wait until the 6 week bloodwork at the end of August to see if the half dose is working for me. > > >If you check about.com Shomon has information about that due to > >the fact there are some new generics. The thyroid is so sensitive to > >medication. Even changing from a name brand to a generic. > > > >Louise > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 It could be adrenal in your case. Jan briggy1997 wrote: >Thank you all for your input. Tish, you have such thorough >responses. I have really enjoyed reading them and appreciate you >taking the time to develop them. > >I didn't change from any other meds...I wasn't on any. This is my >first time taking anything. I truly felt better after a few days as >I was not tired anymore, which was my main symptom. > >Since I cut my dose in half yesterday morning and started back on the >B Complex, I had less indigestion last night and I was able to go to >sleep without palpitations. > >I may increase the Levoxyl in a couple of weeks to the full dose or I >may wait until the 6 week bloodwork at the end of August to see if >the half dose is working for me. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 That's what I'm going to treat. My " Prescription for Nutritional Healing " book says that I should take a ton of B, C and chlorophyll. Have the chlorophyll and B already. Need to go get the extra C. > > >Thank you all for your input. Tish, you have such thorough > >responses. I have really enjoyed reading them and appreciate you > >taking the time to develop them. > > > >I didn't change from any other meds...I wasn't on any. This is my > >first time taking anything. I truly felt better after a few days as > >I was not tired anymore, which was my main symptom. > > > >Since I cut my dose in half yesterday morning and started back on the > >B Complex, I had less indigestion last night and I was able to go to > >sleep without palpitations. > > > >I may increase the Levoxyl in a couple of weeks to the full dose or I > >may wait until the 6 week bloodwork at the end of August to see if > >the half dose is working for me. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Chlorophyll is excellent, it removes all sorts of toxins, even heavy metals from the body. I take chlorella for the clorophyll now, but I wanna grow wheat grass soon to stop buying so much chlorella. Jan briggy1997 wrote: >That's what I'm going to treat. My " Prescription for Nutritional >Healing " book says that I should take a ton of B, C and chlorophyll. >Have the chlorophyll and B already. Need to go get the extra C. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 You ARE absolutely right Jan. That's why I have vigorously opposed upping even Armour at a very fast rate, i.e., every single week, or over just a few days. That's why you keep seeing me repeat those same words over and over. People forget about even the T4 in Armour, which takes several wks for even the first doses to display. T3 is immediate action, but if there is any conversion going on with the T4, that particular dosage regimen is going to take around 6 wks or more to completely display either in the labs OR symptomwise. I made that goofy little error in judgment myself, and backed down some. I personally think that I COULD be a little hyper, but it's only a guess, and I'm not going to go ballistic over it at all. Just time will tell, and it is a very slow process. I said before that it takes a lot of time to stabilize on what we THINK may be our final surefire dose of either Armour or a T4 med, but, as you know, with Hashi's, that can even change. Just to get close, though, takes much more time than just a few months, espcially if you've been suffering with this chronically for a long time. People who had just begun to have symptoms and got on the right thyroid med right away, to me, are more likely to be able to stop the ravages of this disease faster than those of us who have been confused and sick for a long time. The T4 is very slow to display, and that's why I'm sticking with one dose for months at a time, then testing again. That doesn't mean that I will go strictly by the test, I WILL go by symptoms, but there IS a point in testing where you CAN say, hey, this is definitely too far beyond what is supposed to be, or, hey, this is entirely too low, and I'm still not feeling well. Those tests are a guideline only, not the gospel, but if I had a Free T3 that says it's 6 to 8, and the " normal " range says that the top is a 4, I am going to be looking at that. Same thing with the T4. Obviously, the lower range of a T4 is too low because all of us have varified that by the way that we feel in these ranges. What I'm looking at on this same dose back in May, after being on a particular dose for about 6 wks or so, may be even more hyped up with a testing done at the end of August. I'm keeping that in mind. ALL factors must be considered when adjusting these things, not just one factor. Re: Question about Meds > Oh how I wish you had explained that in another group, . I am not > very scientific and people threw a fit when I said a change in > medication from Synthroid to generic shouldn't be enough for the person > to feel a difference after 2 days, even assuming the generic was weaker > (which there is no proof of). I've always read that T4 takes weeks to > reach steady state in the body. > > > Jan > > wrote: > > >This would not be enough time for any thyroid hormone to build up in your > >system, since T4 is the storage hormone. Splitting the T4 does not make any > >difference, since it will take a few wks for a dosage to make any difference > >in this type of thyroid med. Do you suppose you're having a sensitivity to > >a filler ingredient in the pills? I am allergic to different fillers in > >different things. The dose you are taking is the smallest dose, and more is > >usually started. That is a very small dose. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 I also always tell people to wait at least 8 weeks between dosages when starting, and more when you are closer to the ideal dosage - 12 weeks. How can you increase weekly if the med takes 4 weeks to reach steady state in the body? You are just building yourself up to be hyper in 4 weeks... Jan wrote: >You ARE absolutely right Jan. That's why I have vigorously opposed upping >even Armour at a very fast rate, i.e., every single week, or over just a few >days. That's why you keep seeing me repeat those same words over and over. >People forget about even the T4 in Armour, which takes several wks for even >the first doses to display. T3 is immediate action, but if there is any >conversion going on with the T4, that particular dosage regimen is going to >take around 6 wks or more to completely display either in the labs OR >symptomwise. I made that goofy little error in judgment myself, and backed >down some. I personally think that I COULD be a little hyper, but it's only >a guess, and I'm not going to go ballistic over it at all. Just time will >tell, and it is a very slow process. I said before that it takes a lot of >time to stabilize on what we THINK may be our final surefire dose of either >Armour or a T4 med, but, as you know, with Hashi's, that can even change. >Just to get close, though, takes much more time than just a few months, >espcially if you've been suffering with this chronically for a long time. >People who had just begun to have symptoms and got on the right thyroid med >right away, to me, are more likely to be able to stop the ravages of this >disease faster than those of us who have been confused and sick for a long >time. The T4 is very slow to display, and that's why I'm sticking with one >dose for months at a time, then testing again. That doesn't mean that I >will go strictly by the test, I WILL go by symptoms, but there IS a point in >testing where you CAN say, hey, this is definitely too far beyond what is >supposed to be, or, hey, this is entirely too low, and I'm still not feeling >well. Those tests are a guideline only, not the gospel, but if I had a Free >T3 that says it's 6 to 8, and the " normal " range says that the top is a 4, I >am going to be looking at that. Same thing with the T4. Obviously, the >lower range of a T4 is too low because all of us have varified that by the >way that we feel in these ranges. What I'm looking at on this same dose >back in May, after being on a particular dose for about 6 wks or so, may be >even more hyped up with a testing done at the end of August. I'm keeping >that in mind. ALL factors must be considered when adjusting these things, >not just one factor. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 But maybe the change in feeling is due to the change in formulation and not the T4 - you know like the dyes, fillers etc. With thyroid you never know. > > >If you check about.com Shomon has information about that due to > >the fact there are some new generics. The thyroid is so sensitive to > >medication. Even changing from a name brand to a generic. > > > >Louise > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Well said, ... It's too easy to get so greedy for the return of good health that I'm see way too many folks increasing too quickly and then experiencing symptoms that cause them to take even more, when they are really mildly hyper. It's far harder on your body to see saw your dose and swing back and forth between mildly hyper and mildly hypo than to just back of a bit and go up gradually. Your system can adjust to the increasing hormone and act in a positive manner instead of having to protect, repair and recover from excesses and fluctuations. When the body has gone through such H**L to keep you going even though it was suffering so badly to do so, isn't it only fair that you treat it with as much TLC as you can as it begins to recover? IMHO Topper () *who sometimes spread dosage changes as long as 12 weeks when my body said it needed more time* On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:02:02 -0500 " " writes: > You ARE absolutely right Jan. That's why I have vigorously opposed > upping > even Armour at a very fast rate, i.e., every single week, or over > just a few > days. That's why you keep seeing me repeat those same words over > and over. > People forget about even the T4 in Armour, which takes several wks > for even > the first doses to display. T3 is immediate action, but if there is > any > conversion going on with the T4, that particular dosage regimen is > going to > take around 6 wks or more to completely display either in the labs > OR > symptomwise. I made that goofy little error in judgment myself, and > backed > down some. I personally think that I COULD be a little hyper, but > it's only > a guess, and I'm not going to go ballistic over it at all. Just > time will > tell, and it is a very slow process. I said before that it takes a > lot of > time to stabilize on what we THINK may be our final surefire dose of > either > Armour or a T4 med, but, as you know, with Hashi's, that can even > change. > Just to get close, though, takes much more time than just a few > months, > espcially if you've been suffering with this chronically for a long > time. > People who had just begun to have symptoms and got on the right > thyroid med > right away, to me, are more likely to be able to stop the ravages of > this > disease faster than those of us who have been confused and sick for > a long > time. The T4 is very slow to display, and that's why I'm sticking > with one > dose for months at a time, then testing again. That doesn't mean > that I > will go strictly by the test, I WILL go by symptoms, but there IS a > point in > testing where you CAN say, hey, this is definitely too far beyond > what is > supposed to be, or, hey, this is entirely too low, and I'm still not > feeling > well. Those tests are a guideline only, not the gospel, but if I > had a Free > T3 that says it's 6 to 8, and the " normal " range says that the top > is a 4, I > am going to be looking at that. Same thing with the T4. Obviously, > the > lower range of a T4 is too low because all of us have varified that > by the > way that we feel in these ranges. What I'm looking at on this same > dose > back in May, after being on a particular dose for about 6 wks or so, > may be > even more hyped up with a testing done at the end of August. I'm > keeping > that in mind. ALL factors must be considered when adjusting these > things, > not just one factor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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