Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Is DHEA the same as IsoCort and Natural Adrenal Extract? I can find DHEA at the GNC. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 DHEA is a hormone that is the base material that cortisone is made from and many other hormones are made of DHEA. It is not adrenal hormone. It must be converted in the adrenals to cortisone. Many people who are adrenaly fatigued are low on DHEA and therefore it might help to increase the output of cortisones. But, there is no guarantee of that and you may not be low. Also, sometimes the enzyme pathway that converts DHEA to cortisones is not working properly in people with long standing and more complicated adrenal and thyroid problems. So, you may or may not get some benifit and probably it won't be enough if you do. Many over the counter DHEA tablets are too high a potency. In this case, taking 25 or 50 mg tablets can make your levels go too high. The body deals with this by converting excess DHEA to estrogen. People who are hypo do not need anymore estrogen. Hypothyroidism causes excess estrogen itself and most hypothyroids are already estrogen dominant. I took 25mg of DHEA for almost a year before I knew much about it and blood tests showed that it had increased my estrogen considerably. Since I was already dealing with estrogen off the charts, this was upsetting. People usually only need a few milligrams of DHEA a day, not 25 or 50. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 DHEA does not break down into cortisol, a big misconception. I can send anyone who whats a chart that shows how you get cortisol and DHEA. Pregnenolone is what you want. It breaks down into DHEA and cortisol. DHEA breaks down into testosterone and estrogen (both are made in the adrenals) which you get some of your energy from. So DHEA is boosting your energy because its boosting estrogen and testosterone production. To learn about pregnenolone read this Pregnenolone Natures Feel Good Hormone Ray Sahelian, M.D. (the chart I will send you is from this book and also these can be found in any endocrinology medical book which I have several of. Here are books I recommend for DHEA The DHEA Breakthrough Cherniske, M.S. " Dhea A Practical Guide " Ray Sahelian, M.D. " The Super Hormone Promise " by Regelson M.D., & Carol Colman. Chris > DHEA is a hormone that is the base material that cortisone is made > from and many other hormones are made of DHEA. It is not adrenal > hormone. It must be converted in the adrenals to cortisone. Many > people who are adrenaly fatigued are low on DHEA and therefore it > might help to increase the output of cortisones. But, there is no > guarantee of that and you may not be low. Also, sometimes the enzyme > pathway that converts DHEA to cortisones is not working properly in > people with long standing and more complicated adrenal and thyroid > problems. > > So, you may or may not get some benifit and probably it won't be > enough if you do. Many over the counter DHEA tablets are too high a > potency. In this case, taking 25 or 50 mg tablets can make your > levels go too high. The body deals with this by converting excess > DHEA to estrogen. People who are hypo do not need anymore estrogen. > Hypothyroidism causes excess estrogen itself and most hypothyroids > are already estrogen dominant. I took 25mg of DHEA for almost a year > before I knew much about it and blood tests showed that it had > increased my estrogen considerably. Since I was already dealing with > estrogen off the charts, this was upsetting. > > People usually only need a few milligrams of DHEA a day, not 25 or > 50. > > Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Cholesterol is the base material for Pregnenalone. Pregnenalone is the first hormone that all others are made of. DHEA is made from Pregnenalone. I goes like this Cholesterol ->-> Pregnenalone ->-> DHEA ->-> Cortisol<-> progesterone <-> estrogen <-> testosterone, etc. DHEA can be converted to cortsol. Other hormones such as progesterone and testosterone can be interconverted back and forth to other hormones including cortisol. In fact Progesterone is often depleted in adrenal fatigue because it is used up to make cortisol. All human hormones are amazingly similar chamically and the body is very adaptable at converting them for changing needs. _________ http://www.australianmuscle.com.au/muscle_news/dhea.htm It is known that DHEA converts to or stimulates the production of estrogens, testosterone, progesterone, cortisone, and the many other steroid hormones as the ... __________ Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 So that's why my skin breaks out on it? <testosterone> Thank you, ) Re: DHEA? > DHEA does not break down into cortisol. >> DHEA breaks down into testosterone and estrogen (both are made in the > adrenals) which you get some of your energy from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 DHEA is not the same thing.. it's involved with the sex hormones... I take it in addition to adrenal glandular.... You could probably get it cheaper at Walmart, the carry Schiff brand. Topper () On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:47:35 -0000 "lindajsnyder" writes: Is DHEA the same as IsoCort and Natural Adrenal Extract? I can find DHEA at the GNC. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Under very high stress conditions I'll give you that progesterone (made from DHEA) can be converted to cortisol. Because of that really DHEA is not the hormone to take to get cortisol unless a hungry animal is chasing you. Your energy boost from DHEA is from its conversion to testosterone and estrogen. In most cases you won't get cortisol from DHEA (from conversion of progesterone). A lot of disinformation is floating around on the net about DHEA. You can't rely that every thing is true though most of it is (of course don't trust if selling something). It is best to get the info from books like I have. I own a 3 volume set of reference books (2800 pages total) titled Endocrinolgy by J. Degroot with several co- authors. These the kind of books you will see on an Endos book shelf in his office. I own a medical school book titled Endocrinology. I get these on Ebay, Half.com and amazon.com Most people don't realise how much energy you get from testosterone and estrogen until they discover they don't make much and have to take creams or injections. Like I said I will send detailed charts (at least two) scanned from my professional medical books to anyone that asks. Chris > Cholesterol is the base material for Pregnenalone. Pregnenalone is > the first hormone that all others are made of. DHEA is made from > Pregnenalone. I goes like this Cholesterol ->-> Pregnenalone ->-> > DHEA ->-> Cortisol<-> progesterone <-> estrogen <-> testosterone, > etc. DHEA can be converted to cortsol. Other hormones such as > progesterone and testosterone can be interconverted back and forth > to other hormones including cortisol. In fact Progesterone is often > depleted in adrenal fatigue because it is used up to make cortisol. > All human hormones are amazingly similar chamically and the body is > very adaptable at converting them for changing needs. > _________ > > http://www.australianmuscle.com.au/muscle_news/dhea.htm > > It is known that DHEA converts to or stimulates the production of > estrogens, testosterone, progesterone, cortisone, and the many other > steroid hormones as the ... > __________ > > Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Get it at walgreens. They sell Natrol 25 mg tablets 300 ct. for. (they also have 50 mg tablets but per mg cost more) about 17 bucks. GNC is way overcharging. Also as far as I know you can only get pregnenolone from GNC stores unless you want to go to the net. I did a lot of looking and this is was the cheapest site I found. I haven't bought from them though. http://store.yahoo.com/iherb/preg10s.html Chris > DHEA is not the same thing.. it's involved with the sex hormones... I > take it in addition to adrenal glandular.... You could probably get it > cheaper at Walmart, the carry Schiff brand. > > Topper () > > On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:47:35 -0000 " lindajsnyder " > <lindajsnyder@y...> writes: > Is DHEA the same as IsoCort and Natural Adrenal Extract? I can find > DHEA at the GNC. > S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Hi, My GP has given me statins to treat high cholesterol.Would it be better for me not to take them? Thank you for any advise.Joan Re: DHEA? Cholesterol is the base material for Pregnenalone. Pregnenalone is the first hormone that all others are made of. DHEA is made from Pregnenalone. I goes like this Cholesterol ->-> Pregnenalone ->-> DHEA ->-> Cortisol<-> progesterone <-> estrogen <-> testosterone, etc. DHEA can be converted to cortsol. Other hormones such as progesterone and testosterone can be interconverted back and forth to other hormones including cortisol. In fact Progesterone is often depleted in adrenal fatigue because it is used up to make cortisol. All human hormones are amazingly similar chamically and the body is very adaptable at converting them for changing needs._________http://www.australianmuscle.com.au/muscle_news/dhea.htmIt is known that DHEA converts to or stimulates the production of estrogens, testosterone, progesterone, cortisone, and the many other steroid hormones as the ... __________Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 I'm not up on that... anyone else able to help? Topper () On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:00:06 +0100 "joan scorer" writes: Hi, My GP has given me statins to treat high cholesterol.Would it be better for me not to take them? Thank you for any advise.Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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