Vets

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Thank Dick.. Bruce and I where puzzleing over that one....Kathy booDick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Salt Lake City.At 08:44 AM 1/15/05, you wrote:

SLC?????? KBDick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Trip to SLC was fun. Met a lot of vets. No problems with flights either way. Fairly decent hotel. Great food in SLC.

Doing good here. Still behind in emails and paperwork.

Looks like tx might start on the 26th.

Dick

At 09:36 PM 1/13/05, you wrote:

Kathy Brunow

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It is not a particular food, but just the fact that every

place that we stopped to eat was great. The food was good and the service

was good too.

Yep, the 26th is just 10 days away. I am counting on

y'all.

Dick

At 01:02 AM 1/16/05, you wrote:

Happy your trip went

smooth, but i have one ?..what is SLC food like anyway??? I have no idea

what thier specialty is...

The 26th is right around the corner, and we'll be here

Dick...no doubt....Hugs, Pat

Re: Vets

Well, thanks Patty... that is very nice of you.

Dick

At 12:39 AM 1/11/05, you

wrote:

We're so proud of our guys

here in group..We Love Ya!!! Pat

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I know it's not PC to say anything bad about 9-11, but I don't understand why those people get more money for being at the wrong place at the right time than do our military people (past & present) for VOLUNTEERING to put themselves in danger every day. And why people think they're more entitled to it.

De

Faith is the ability to not panic.

-----Original Message-----From: Dick Southern [mailto:southern@...] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 2:33 AMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Re: Saturday MorningHave Bruce pay attention to what comes out of DC this week. The veterans reaction to this will not be sour grapes about a Republican election victory, but about what the government promised us all for serving our Country and is a bi-partisan issue. My organization is working with 7 other Veteran Service Organizations to bring all of this to the Congress with a demonstration in DC.Please don't forget that the vet population has a higher infection rate for Hep C than the general population. VA budget cuts will have a huge effect on treatment for vets.Dick

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I know that Dick will do everything he can.

De

Faith is the ability to not panic.

-----Original Message-----From: captdanny [mailto:captdankw@...] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:56 AMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: RE: Re: vets

, before this thread gets out of hand, the major difference was that the folks in the twin towers were not volunteers. We don't have a draft anymore, my draft # was14 I didn't have a choice either. I know quite a few people in the military over in Iraq now and worry about them every day, I also see them at the VA all the time. During the 1st Iraq war I worked as a nurse for the VA.

You have the right to say anything you want,PC or not a right protected by vets, But you also have freedom of choice another right ensured by vets.

I just hope Dick does all he can for them and insures that they'll be compensated for their sacrafice

Rock-on

danny

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I had a bad experience with a vet when my little toy poodle was about 7 (she

died last year at almost 14). She was violently ill one day (have never figured

out why) and after that I couldn't pick her up because she would screeched in

pain and she didn't seem to be able to or didn't want to move her back legs. She

wasn't sick to her stomach again.

Of course, I called the vet and took her in at about 4 p.m. He took x-rays and

felt around and said he couldn't find anything but would give her a shot of

cortisone just to settle done any infection. At 10 p.m. that night she started

to be sick all the time, couldn't keep water done and just got worse and worse.

Of course, it was a Sat. the next day so I had to take her to the emergency

clinic. They are a terrible rip off, charge $95 to walk in the door and then

want to do every test known in veterinary medicine.

They said she was dehydrated (which I knew) and that her liver enzymes were all

out of whack. They kept her in until Monday morning when I had to pick her up

and take her to my own vet. He did all kinds of tests and we really thought we

were going to lose her. They all kept her on IV and gave her antibiotics, but

other than that they didn't know what to do. He suggested sending her to the

Veterinary School in Guelph, ON to have a liver biopsy.

On Tuesday when I called to see how she was, expecting the worst, they told me

they were amazed that she had gotten up and ate something that morning and

seemed to be better. I took her home on the Wed. a thousand dollars lighter.

I swear that there had been nothing wrong with her. I think when she was

violently ill, she had pulled a muscle and that is why she screeched when I

tried to pick her up. She hadn't been sick again between 1 p.m. and 10 p.m. at

night. She had the cortisone at 4 p.m. I am sure that the cortisone screwed up

her liver and eventually everything healed on its own. The only thing that

helped was the IV because of the dehydration. I think that if I had just left

her and let her rest, the muscle would have gotten better, she didn't hurt

unless she moved, and we could avoided all of this terrible fiasco.

Two weeks later she had a very sore spot on her tongue and then a piece of it

died and fell off. She was back to the vet and he didn't know what had happened

and he thought we would have to put her down because she couldn't eat or drink.

I was away on business in Connecticut and my ex and son were both crying on the

phone about what the vet had said. I told them not to do anything till I got

home.

I arrived home the next afternoon and expected to find this emaciated dog that

would have to be put down. She bounced to the door to meet me and there was a

note on the table from my ex saying that he had left her alone for a couple of

hours and when he came back she had eaten the whole dish of food and drank out

of the bowl. She lived for another 7 years with about a dime size piece of

tongue missing.

My theory on this is that when they were taking blood out of her neck (which

they did), they hit a small nerve to the tongue and it died. I could be all

wrong about this but can't think of any other explanation. The vet didn't

charge for any of the visits concerning the tongue.

Sorry about the long epistle, but it just proves how little they know.

Regards,

Sharon

Re: Cholesterol

walou@... wrote:

>>I get really scared of doctors who start

>>tinkering with me when there's nothing

>>wrong.

I'm scared of doctors period.

And vets.

My policy is no drugs; I'll see a doctor to get their opinion but I do

not consider that as the same as asking for treatment. Vets are worse

because they will give drugs behind your back even if you put in writing

that they may not.

There are a lot more options for treatment - if it seems needed after

getting more information to confirm what's diagnosed.

Last time I took a cat to the vet, they diagnosed cholangiohepatitis

when the problem was pyometra.

Previous time I took a cat to the vet, they injected her with a drug

contra-indicated for felines - for a cut in her side needing one stitch,

and my favourite cat was dead 2 days later.

Recent client took her cat with swollen abdomen to the vet and had her

cat diagnosed as terminal FIP, was told it was incurable and she should

euthanize. She took the cat home. A week or so later the " cure " occurred

- a litter of healthy kittens.

Someone on my cat health list just had her father's cat diagnosed with

terminal liver failure. Actually the cat had IBD; nothing wrong with the

liver.

Do vets just suck their thumb and come up with a diagnosis?

Scary.

Namaste,

Irene

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In a message dated 2/20/2005 12:41:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

sharonferris@... writes:

Sorry about the long epistle, but it just proves how little they know.

God, no wonder our dogs lived so long back home. We were too poor to take

them to the vet.

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In a message dated 2/20/2005 1:00:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,

firesprite68@... writes:

a customer who bred GSD's

OK , what is a GSD?

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Up until two years ago we went to our local vets, I'd always found him thorough

and to the point, altho we hardly ever needed him.

Only trouble was, once we rehomed our big one, he would'nt even look at him

without wanting to keep him in and 'put him under' - even for the smallest

thing. And every time he did see the dog he would say, 'whoa, he's a big dog' as

if he was overweight but he's not - you can feel his ribs as you should be able

to on his side.

He used to make this big song'n'dance about how the dog was sooo big that he had

to use horse tranquilizer on him!

Well I wanted him to do something small a couple of years ago, can't remember

what, but it wasn't anything that the dog needed putting under for and he

wouldn't do it unless we left the dog with him and he put him out first.

I spoke to my friend who has her own grooming business and knew what I needed

done - I think it was looking in his ear for possible infection - and when I

described his reactions to the dog she said, 'he's frightened of him cos of his

size' - it all fell into place! He'd said to me before about how he used to

have a customer who bred GSD's and they turned on her etc. etc.

I took him to a different vet and haven't looked back since, they found the ear

infection and gave us the right meds to clear it within a week. The dog had had

this ear infection on and off since we got him and the vet always said he

couldn't find anything - makes me wonder if he even looked!

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German Shepherd Dog - or Alsatian.

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Hi Sharon,

This is my guess about your poodle:

She got some short-term virus or something that made her vomit and

dehydrate. She vomited violently enough to have sore abdominal muscles.

The vet should have hydrated her and made sure the vomiting stopped.

Cortisone is a horrible thing - it is never the right approach unless

the cat has 's. It is especially contra-indicated in infections

as it switches all aspects of the immune system off.

As for " elevated liver enzymes " that goes without saying when there is

dehydration, and you'd be surprised if that was not shown. It comes

right with hydration.

The tongue - well a tongue is long, and they can get injured many ways -

stung by something the dog tried to eat (centipede, spider, bee,

scorpion, whatever) or they can bite it by mistake. I suspect a sting

from something he caught to eat as many poisons from such critters will

cause an ulcer that will necrose and fall off.

Carnivores do not need much of a tongue for survival, as they do

not chew food and the main job of the tongue in other mammals is to move

food around in the mouth to the right teeth for chewing.

I have treated a cat whose tongue was wrecked and in shreds (human

mistreatment) - and it regenerated in time but the cat flipped his head

as I overturned a spoon of food, then slung his head back to get the

food back far enough to swallow and he ate that way till he could

regenerate a bit more tongue for the purpose of flipping pellets into

his mouth - took about 2 months. He drank water very messily but he got

it in and I made sure his food was plenty moist till he could lap again.

Namaste,

Irene

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P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

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Hi Irene,

She wasn't dehydrated when I took her to the vets the first time because she had

only been sick once at that point. She was continually sick and became

dehydrated only after she had the cortisone. She had gone from 1 p.m. till 10

p.m without being sick but had the cortisone at 4 p.m. I think she ate

something that disagreed with her and she vomited once but violently and pulled

an abdominal muscle. I should have left her and she probably would have been

fine.

Also, I don't know what made the tongue sore but she didn't eat a bug or

anything, she wasn't that kind of dog. She never touched anything like that and

it was Feb. and she was in the house all the time except to run out to pee and

right back in. She was a real lap dog. As you said, she may have bitten it.

I agree with you that cortisone is a terrible thing and if I had thought fast

enough I would have said no but I wasn't thinking that quickly for some reason.

Re: Vets

Hi Sharon,

This is my guess about your poodle:

She got some short-term virus or something that made her vomit and

dehydrate. She vomited violently enough to have sore abdominal muscles.

The vet should have hydrated her and made sure the vomiting stopped.

Cortisone is a horrible thing - it is never the right approach unless

the cat has 's. It is especially contra-indicated in infections

as it switches all aspects of the immune system off.

As for " elevated liver enzymes " that goes without saying when there is

dehydration, and you'd be surprised if that was not shown. It comes

right with hydration.

The tongue - well a tongue is long, and they can get injured many ways -

stung by something the dog tried to eat (centipede, spider, bee,

scorpion, whatever) or they can bite it by mistake. I suspect a sting

from something he caught to eat as many poisons from such critters will

cause an ulcer that will necrose and fall off.

Carnivores do not need much of a tongue for survival, as they do

not chew food and the main job of the tongue in other mammals is to move

food around in the mouth to the right teeth for chewing.

I have treated a cat whose tongue was wrecked and in shreds (human

mistreatment) - and it regenerated in time but the cat flipped his head

as I overturned a spoon of food, then slung his head back to get the

food back far enough to swallow and he ate that way till he could

regenerate a bit more tongue for the purpose of flipping pellets into

his mouth - took about 2 months. He drank water very messily but he got

it in and I made sure his food was plenty moist till he could lap again.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

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In a message dated 3/19/05 9:17:14 AM Mountain Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> " The FDA Has Gone To The Dogs " .

>

>

Paxil was invented by a veterinarian.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

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In a message dated 3/19/05 9:17:14 AM Mountain Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> " The FDA Has Gone To The Dogs " .

>

>

Paxil was invented by a veterinarian.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

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Details on something like that, Glit.

glitterari@... wrote:In a message dated 3/19/05 9:17:14 AM Mountain Standard

Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> " The FDA Has Gone To The Dogs " .

>

>

Paxil was invented by a veterinarian.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

Details on something like that, Glit.

glitterari@... wrote:In a message dated 3/19/05 9:17:14 AM Mountain Standard

Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> " The FDA Has Gone To The Dogs " .

>

>

Paxil was invented by a veterinarian.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

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Details on something like that, Glit.

glitterari@... wrote:In a message dated 3/19/05 9:17:14 AM Mountain Standard

Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> " The FDA Has Gone To The Dogs " .

>

>

Paxil was invented by a veterinarian.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

Details on something like that, Glit.

glitterari@... wrote:In a message dated 3/19/05 9:17:14 AM Mountain Standard

Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> " The FDA Has Gone To The Dogs " .

>

>

Paxil was invented by a veterinarian.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

[Guest guest]

That's interesting to know. How did it come about?

Re: Vets

In a message dated 3/19/05 9:17:14 AM Mountain Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> " The FDA Has Gone To The Dogs " .

>

>

Paxil was invented by a veterinarian.

" Blind Reason "

a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's

Unsafe At Any Dose

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A friend came by the other day. His cat became very ill and lethargic and wouldn't eat .. lost 4 pounds. Took him to the vet and spent $1400 on everything. Turns out the poor kitty had an abcessed tooth. He's ok now.

$1400 ??? !!! for a pet !!! Wow ... another friend would give daily injections to her cat ... the cat was diabetic.

LCL

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There must be a veterinary society one can file a complaint with. I would negotiate with this office and try to bring down the bill. Since they were mistaken, they should adjust it. Get a copy of the film to be sure it was even your animal that was x-rayed.LyndaAt 05:34 PM 4/11/2007, you wrote:>Sweetie, You should not feel like a chump, not one bit ! ! It isnt >your fault, you trusted.........you set out to help your kitten ! >! This vet is a fraud, cheat, and horrible person to have done >this. YOU did not cause anything bad. What you did was help from >your heart ! You have to feel good about that ! ! You did what >was right. The vet is the failure.>You are loved unconditionally ! ! Cheer up, everything happens for >a reason, we just dont always know what the lesson is at the >time. Your kitten knows you did your best and in her best interest >! ! Love and Hugs ~ Dede

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Katy,

She put her Dog on dextroxin, so basically zeolite, which helps remove toxins... If the test are all coming back normal.... Good change your Cat may have gotten exposed to a toxin not agreeing with it..... I know that my friends dog was highly exposed to mold at her old house, my friend has been sick for 3 years from Moldy house.... Her dogs were also sick from it.... I can let you know what all my friend did to rid this from her Dog, I think it was a miracle seeing this happen..... I was so excited for the Dog since my Dog and this Dog are best friends... I pray that your Cat will get better soon.... Let me know if you are interested in the protocol she gave the dog to get it well.... I know of the dextroxin, zeolite and she used a infra red light on the skin of the dog, I can find out the rest... I do know that the chemotherapy they gave her dog, almost killed the dog and poisoned him further.... I was glad she removed that Dog from that hospital.... Now imagine a dog given a short time to live, now running around free as a bird around 2 months later..... JERKS!!!!!!

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Oh wow, that poor dog! I am so glad to hear he is diong better now. His owner must be so happy! I have been looking for a holistic vet in my area, because they haven't been able to find anything in my cats tests (kinda like me:).... Katy:)toxicsalines@... wrote: My friend just spent close to $4000.00 on her Dog. They said they wanted to take out his spleen and claimed the dog had cancer. Well she

refused the surgery..... She gave the dog natural supplements and it is doing great now. The Vet gave this dog no chance of survival, 3 weeks max. They fed him the tainted dog food out of the can. Which made the dog sicker... They then gave the dog chemo, which took off his hair and lots of big welts on his skin... She took the dog out of the vet hospital, now that the tainted food is not being feed to him and the natural supplements have kicked in... The Dog is doing great with new hair, skin and playing as usual... This made me sick, since I visually visited and seen this happening to this Dog... God Bless, ~ See what's free at AOL.com.

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I'm sorry to be in the dark, what did the vet do?

Kenda

> Yes, pets really do become part of the family...

>

> I have decided to refuse payment for the other half of these crazy charges

> when I pick up my cat today. I will go to court if I have to. I can't let this

> happen to any other unsuspecting people and their pets! I found another friend

> of a friend who had the same thing happen to her cat from this vet. Power in

> numbers!

>

> Katy:)

>

> Kenda Skaggs <lovesgoldens@...> wrote:

> I'd pay any amount of money on the health of one of my pets.

>

> Kenda

>

>> A friend came by the other day. His cat became very ill and lethargic and

>> wouldn't eat .. lost 4 pounds. Took him to the vet and spent $1400 on

>> everything. Turns out the poor kitty had an abcessed tooth. He's ok now.

>>

>> $1400 ??? !!! for a pet !!! Wow ... another friend would give daily

>> injections to her cat ... the cat was diabetic.

>>

>> LCL

>>

>> -------------- Original message --------------

>> From: Lynda <coss@...>

>> There must be a veterinary society one can file a complaint with. I

>> would negotiate with this office and try to bring down the

>> bill. Since they were mistaken, they should adjust it. Get a copy

>> of the film to be sure it was even your animal that was x-rayed.

>>

>> Lynda

>>

>> At 05:34 PM 4/11/2007, you wrote:

>>

>>> Sweetie, You should not feel like a chump, not one bit ! ! It isnt

>>> your fault, you trusted.........you set out to help your kitten !

>>> ! This vet is a fraud, cheat, and horrible person to have done

>>> this. YOU did not cause anything bad. What you did was help from

>>> your heart ! You have to feel good about that ! ! You did what

>>> was right. The vet is the failure.

>>> You are loved unconditionally ! ! Cheer up, everything happens for

>>> a reason, we just dont always know what the lesson is at the

>>> time. Your kitten knows you did your best and in her best interest

>>> ! ! Love and Hugs ~ Dede

>>>

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Spleen tumors are very common in certain breeds of dogs. Removal of the

spleen is necessary in those dogs.

Kenda

> My friend just spent close to $4000.00 on her Dog. They said they wanted to

> take out his spleen and claimed the dog had cancer. Well she refused the

> surgery..... She gave the dog natural supplements and it is doing great now.

> The

> Vet gave this dog no chance of survival, 3 weeks max. They fed him the

> tainted dog food out of the can. Which made the dog sicker... They then gave

> the

> dog chemo, which took off his hair and lots of big welts on his skin... She

> took the dog out of the vet hospital, now that the tainted food is not being

> feed

> to him and the natural supplements have kicked in... The Dog is doing great

> with new hair, skin and playing as usual... This made me sick, since I

> visually visited and seen this happening to this Dog...

>

> God Bless,

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Do you have an ND that treats you? If so, maybe they will treat your

animals?

My dog was diagnosed with heart disease this week and he is a young dog. I

phoned my ND to see if he could order a supplement for my dog for me. Not

only did he order it, he gave me a list of other supplements that could help

his heart. I am so thankful I phoned him!

Kenda

> Oh wow, that poor dog! I am so glad to hear he is diong better now. His owner

> must be so happy! I have been looking for a holistic vet in my area, because

> they haven't been able to find anything in my cats tests (kinda like me:)....

>

> Katy:)

>

> toxicsalines@... wrote:

> My friend just spent close to $4000.00 on her Dog. They said they

> wanted to take out his spleen and claimed the dog had cancer. Well she

> refused the surgery..... She gave the dog natural supplements and it is doing

> great now. The Vet gave this dog no chance of survival, 3 weeks max. They

> fed him the tainted dog food out of the can. Which made the dog sicker...

> They then gave the dog chemo, which took off his hair and lots of big welts on

> his skin... She took the dog out of the vet hospital, now that the tainted

> food is not being feed to him and the natural supplements have kicked in...

> The Dog is doing great with new hair, skin and playing as usual... This made

> me sick, since I visually visited and seen this happening to this Dog...

>

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