Guest guest Posted March 6, 2000 Report Share Posted March 6, 2000 I totally understand that doing mouth to snout on an animal is where they draw the line. That's fine. I guess it all depends on how far one is willing to go for an animal. I always look those animals that serve as police animals as certified peace officers. Because they are. Anyway, I appreciate your response and would like to hear what everyone else thinks or knows. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2000 Report Share Posted March 6, 2000 According to the Veteranarian (sp) I used to take my cat to. The AVA (they Vet version of the AMA...hope I got the initial right) says that any person certified as an EMT, EMT-I, or EMT-P exceeds the requirements to work as a vet tech under the vets license. In other words, what we can do to a human, we can do to a dog. Would I run a full code on a police dog? Heck yes! Would I run a full code on the family pet? Depends on if I thought it would do any good. If Fido is in traumatic arrest from a vehicle strike, I am not going to do it (prognosis too poor to justify taking my truck out of service). If Fido just got pulled from the house by the FD and was not breathing but otherwise uninjured, yes, I would work the dog (IV, O2, EKG, Defib, treat the dog as a pedi for drug dose calculations), transport to the closest vet office, then take the fall-out from my boss later. Why? My best friend growing up was my black lab. I love him still. He was with me for 12 years, then with my step sister for 6 more. He was a part of my family and still is a part of my memories and my life. Every pet is that to every owner. Folks, we are in this business to save lives. Some days we win, some days we lose. But win or lose, the survivors know we gave it our all and that their loved ones did NOT die alone and Death unchallenged. If a pet is a loved one, how can we NOT extend that comfort to the family? Sorry, those are just my thought. Webb, EMT-P FLW EMS, MO PS: The Phoenix FD has a policy in place allowing their medics to utilize the Engines to transport injured animals to the vet office so as not to take the ambulance out of service. ______________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2000 Report Share Posted March 6, 2000 Thanks ....very good point. I'm glad to hear from you. Floyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2000 Report Share Posted March 6, 2000 Mike: The Ft. Worth Fire Department, in earlier years, was rather famous for resuscitating animals as well as people in the aftermath of fires. Mouth-to-snout wasn't just a joke. I have to give them credit. As far as I'm concerned a pooch in arrest is not my patient and is one dead doggie. Dave Mouth to Snout?? > Hi folks!! > > While in school last fall, my instructor was explaining some of the new > curriculum. He mentioned something about there being the possibility of them > adding some curriculum for the care of service animals (i.e. police dogs, > search animals, etc). I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about it. > I think it's a good idea and would like to see some progression. But I know > there are those that say that care of animals goes to far. Anyway, just > wanted to see what ya'll knew on that topic. Hope ya'll are having a great > weekend. > > , EMT > CareFlite > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make history and take part in the first online majority survey. > Voice your opinions on american politics and the next president. > Have your say at > http://click./1/1873/3/_/4981/_/952207876/ > > -- Check out your group's private Chat room > -- /ChatPage?listName= & m=1 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2000 Report Share Posted March 6, 2000 Hi Dave! Da gangs all still here. Your right about that, I should have said something about that incident also but the last e-mail was getting a little long. We had a house fire in which a dog was badly burned and had to be put down. the dog was chained up inside the back porch behind a small fence. To make a long story short, The bystanders at the scene thought we should have run into the fire and saved the dog.They did not want to think about how we would have cut the chain or if we should have put the dog rescue before getting the hose lines out and ready The news media went for the story like rabid dogs. (good for ratings) It also didn't help that one of our chiefs went on TV and said we would not risk human life for an animal. The news cut his answer so it looked like we didn't care about animals. One piece of bad press wipes out all the good. They forgot all about the other rescues we made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2000 Report Share Posted March 6, 2000 Ed: You folks have, of course, had experience recently of the reaction of citizens when rescuers choose not to risk their lives to save a hopelessly trapped animal. People need to get a reality check on their values. How be de gang in Corpus? Dave Re: Mouth to Snout?? > Several years ago I was part of a crew that came to the rescue of two > rottweiller dogs that were bitten numerous times by bees. they were chained > up in the back yard when their owner upset the bees. These vicious dogs let > us unleash them and take them away from the swarm (They new we wanted to help > them). We put them on O2 (blowby works very well, like you would do for a > baby) They had numerous bites all over including inside the mouth, We called > a local Vet and ended up giving one dog Epi. IM, then we had animal control > transport them to the Vet's office. we were sad to hear that they did not > make it thru the night but at least they knew someone cared and tried to help > them. Since then I have been involved in several cases where I have " saved " > an animal. Once we " saved " 3 out of 4 animals that were inside a house > fire.(O2, water to cool them down, IV on one of them, happened to be a > Dalmatian). I even intubated a cat on scene but it was too little too late. > Would I work on an injured animal Heck yes! Would I work on an animal before > I work on a human pt. no. Would I risk my own life or that of my partner No. > > Ed Escobedo > F. F. I EMT. P. > Corpus Christi Fire Dept. > CPR Instructor / Trainer > EMS Instructor / Examiner > BTLS Instructor > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make history and take part in the first online majority survey. > Voice your opinions on american politics and the next president. > Have your say at > http://click./1/1873/3/_/4981/_/952369486/ > > -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault > -- /docvault//?m=1 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2000 Report Share Posted March 6, 2000 Well, I probably shouldn't admit this on line, but I've done mouth-to-snout and CPR on dogs. We used to raise Chinese Pugs when I was growing up, and there were several times when I had to perform CPR and rescue breathing on the puppies. We had some saves, too! But, I've not performed it on grown dogs. I'd have to think on that one, although I think I'd probably have to fight for the chance if it were a police dog. Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!! Jana FW,TX Re: Mouth to Snout?? > I totally understand that doing mouth to snout on an animal is where they > draw the line. That's fine. I guess it all depends on how far one is > willing to go for an animal. I always look those animals that serve as > police animals as certified peace officers. Because they are. Anyway, I > appreciate your response and would like to hear what everyone else thinks or > knows. > Thanks, > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The race is on! We've got the most comprehensive elections coverage > for women. Get your election updates at > http://click./1/1877/3/_/4981/_/952358737/ > > -- Create a poll/survey for your group! > -- /vote?listname= & m=1 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2000 Report Share Posted March 6, 2000 I think I can give some info. on a subject here that I may know more about than the average paramedic. First and foremost I think not treating animals w/ dignity and compassion is appauling, they are Gods creatures and are more appreciative than any human you will ever treat. I have recently completed Vet tech school over one year period (it was alot harder than paramedic school )and have been a paramedic for 14 years. The assoc is AVMA. There actually is a Vet. Medical practice act similar to that in humans, but some important differences. First you can treat any animal in an emergency so long as is is not cruel to the animal, ALS BLS whatever and being certified in EMS doesnt really mean anything legally. You may treat your own animal in a non-emerg situation, but never anyone else's. You cannot diagnose an animals condition. Airway/ o2 are main treatments, DON'T give a lot of fluid TKO the stuff, can overload and also you can mess up their metabolic state not knowing which fluid for each condition. I would not use an ambulance for transport get someone else to help. If you are ever near primates (monkeys) treat them as infectious they have DNA that is 99% that of humans they can and will transmit nasty diseases to You.. Also remember in animals they are property of the owners and they have the final say if their animal is treated except if it is cruelty. Vet medicine is underpaid, even Vets work for much less than RDs (real doctors) They are truly their for their patients not the $. Mancuso LP Veterinary Paramedic Re: Mouth to Snout?? > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset= " ISO-8859-1 " > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Make history and take part in the first online majority survey. >Voice your opinions on american politics and the next president. >Have your say at >http://click./1/1873/3/_/4981/_/952405704/ > >eGroups.com Home: /group// > - Simplifying group communications > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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