Re: Re: Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, Hypermobility Type/genes

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don't have a smart meter and we will never get WI-FI.

 

 

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>To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

>Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 8:34 AM

>Subject: Re: Re: Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, Hypermobility

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>the Weston Price foundation are claiming that the current epidemics amongst the

Native American populations are due to the fact that the Western diet is very

new to them. Although folk from the West have been effected for longer we also

are developing some resistance. but the damage here is done, and people are

increasingly finding that their children are struggling with what the Price and

Pottenger organisation describe as the very last stages of the damge, ie severe

handicap from birth and even infertility.

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>It took a lot of research for me to get a complete picture in my mind regarding

all this lot and even now not fully complete, and I struggle explaining it all,

I tend to warble too much until I can explain it in brief

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>But this article here does to some degree explain about how far from their

correct diet Native American folk are now eating.

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>http://www.westonaprice.org/notes-from-yesteryear/100-years-before-weston-price

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>Here in England Irish folk suffer much with celiac and other disorders, some

have suggested this goes back to the famine they suffered. They have also been

treated quit badly since then too, often living in slums and poor wages.

Fortunately there is more equality for them here now but still their diet is not

right because it is not right for any of us. This is one reason why despite more

fairness they are still suffering. But it is the same with celiac and the other

things many of them are going through, if they eat a diet that is more in

keeping with their ancestory they will not suffer from the ill effects of the

illnesses. In this respect there is no difference between any of us. The UK is a

multiculture country and I am with folk from all the races daily. Those that are

new here and still eating relatively correctly have the better health and this

is regardless of how much money they have. Those that have lived here for a

while and eating all the

>processed stuff, low fat and so on are finding they are coming down with the

illnesses that doctors tell them are associated with their race. But this cannot

be genetic in the true sense of the word since they have to stop eating and

living their traditional way to get the illness

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>It does take some time to see this, and to accept it. I am a bit sad right now

because my dad is becoming more anxious about his illness and when he gets more

anxious he tends to start believing the literature about how folk with

Parkinsons are doomed, it then gets harder for me to keep him on the straight

and narrow.

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>My children too scoff, but only yesterday some famous actress, so famous I do

not know her name, but anyway this pretty young lass said the flu job was

inappropriate for children and that immunisations can lead to disability, and

that in her view electromagnetism is the cause of many symptoms we generally

regard as flu............................ My daughter turned to me and said,

perhaps you are right mom......................... Mmmm

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>Love Joanne

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>To: " fibromyalgiacured " <fibromyalgiacured >

>Sent: Saturday, 28 July 2012, 14:18

>Subject: Re: Re: Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, Hypermobility

Type/genes

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>This video explains some of how the diet and environment is affecting the

genetic make up of different tribes

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>In my moms family we find repeatedly underactive tyroid, diabetes type 1 and

diabetes type 2, shizophrenia, alcoholism, and other addictions including binge

eating, Multiple Sclerosis, reactive arthiritis, on my dads side we find

repeated Parkinsons, ulcers, IBS, bowel cancer and on other gut problems,

fibro, restless leg, high blood pressure, diabetes type 2, drug addiction. My

illness presents as a cross between the reactive arthiritis/MS and binge eating

from my moms side and the parkinsons/fibro on my dads

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>My character and looks, regarding my moms side, resembles my aunts with the

reactive arthiritis and MS, and binge eating troubels and I am least like the

folk that are alcoholic and schizophrenic and those that have the low thyroid.

On my dads side I resemble more those with the Parkinsons and gut problems, I am

least like those that have the drug addictions

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>It often sounds like I am contraditing myself when I say the genes are not

causing all this and then next I am inspecting my family tree to see the history

of diseases in our family. I also draw charts and illustrate correlations

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>I say to my children, 'You must breast feed your children and avoid

immunisations and feed them a diet like bees if you do not want them to have the

diabetes type 1 now rampant in our family and eat right yourselves to avoid this

arthiritis , parkinsons etc on our side and the cancer on your own fathers side.

If I do not think the genes are important then why do I research the illnesses

in my own family?

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>It is a long story but here is what I have found

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>best treatment for Reactive Arthiritis is a low starch diet

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>http://www.lowstarchdiet.net/blog/

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>All treatments for parkinsons are toxic or dangerous in some other way and the

only effective natural treatment is the ketogenic diet

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>http://livinlavidalocarb.blogspot.co.uk/2006/05/study-very-high-fat-nearly-zero\

-carb.html

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>Diabetes type 1 is not an incurable genetic disorder

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>IBS, underactive thyroid and diabetes type 2, all clear up with Weston Price

diet

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>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2105132/Damn-low-fat-diet-How-reforme\

d-vegan--Nicholson-gorges-foods-granny-enjoyed--felt-better.html

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>And the news is the same for all the other illnesses I have mentioned even the

alcoholism and drug addiction. My binge eating days are over using a high fat

diet and 12 steps which were originally designed for serious addictions but from

what I see of them can help people with any kind of compulsion struggles

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>Hope this makes sense. I do see the patterns of illness, but it cannot be the

genes if diet and change of lifestyle can clear up even the worse of all this

lot. My biggest battle right now with family members is getting them to see what

they are doing is causing their suffering and it is very little to do with what

they have inherited, even though doctors are telling them the opposite. My dad

tells me often I know, I do sincerely know joanne that you are right but the

doctors have put me on these drugs and told me my illness is genetic and will

progress and in my subconscious I do believe them. I tell him, just be kind and

loving to that part of you and accept it is not as strong as you are!!!!

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>Love Joanne

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>To: fibromyalgiacured

>Sent: Saturday, 28 July 2012, 1:22

>Subject: Re: Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, Hypermobility

Type/genes

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>Hi ,

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>Yes, Thanks Joanne,

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>our DNA(gene expressions) can be changed/affected, by our diet,(and our

ancestors diet), chemicals, and drugs. All those also affect the gene

expressions of the microbes in our bodies, and they change as well. Even docs

will say that some autoimmune diseases, and even cancer can go into remission

without their treatment.

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>http://commonfund.nih.gov/epigenomics/figure.aspx

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> C.

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>> I have hypomobility, but I do not have the physic commonly associated with

Ehlers danlos Syndrome, but I have considered this for myself in the past since

the fibro symptoms I have would match the autoimmue part of this illness

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>> From Bechamps view, as best as I have worked out in my head, is that the

genes are not causing the illness, but being affected environmentally and

fromthis the sysmptoms a person would have would show up any weakness or damage

via DNA or other things we have inherited

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>> Let me explain this better. Please note my research went away from Ehlers

Danlos syndrome, when I decided i did not have it and went more with the

parkinsons and reactive arthirits, which are the two inherited illnesses in my

family that my illness most 'mimics'

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>> Anyway, I will have to explain this in the context of my own inherited

'symptoms' but what I am explaining here is aplicable to any illness a person is

inheriting

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>> Re: Sally fallon weston Price etc

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>> All of us at conception inherit a set of genes, DNA chromosones etc, from our

parents. And the healthiness of these are determined by our parents

nutritional/health status at conception and before. If our parents have been

working hard on eating correctly and living free from toxicity and so on at

conception we will have a good nutritional/health status

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>> Providing that through pregnancy our mother takes care of herself and eats

correctly we will be born healthy, and if we are fed with good breast milk and

so on our good health will continue and we will continue to bloon, ie inuits

masai tribes healthy parents = healthy children

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>> Now when this is interefered with, ie for years before conception mother and

father eat incorrectly, and through pregnancy there are problems, and we are not

fed with good quality breast milk and so on, and our lives are surrounded by

toxicity, ie poor quality foods immunisations antibiotics electromagnetism bla

bla bla, illness will appear, and also illness that resembles our ancestors will

appear. Not because our genes are causing this, but because the environement is

affecting our genetic make up

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>> We know this is correct, because when weston price studied the inuits they

had almost zero disease and absolutely no illnesses one could describe as

genetic. Now however the situation is very different. They eat our diet and live

a lifestyle like us with immunisations electromagnetism and all the othet things

on the lists, and they now have 'our ' illnesses, and you know what they have

them worse tha we have them

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>> The reason why the inuits are not able to cope as well with this now

environment and why they now have so called genetic illnesses is because they

are the first generations with all this. Although the environment brings us down

the body also manages to develop some resistance too and so what we find in the

west is a change in features in the face and so on, ie smaller jaws, and

problems with the brain etc, higher autistic tendancies and so on, but also a

level of resistance to all this, a level of coping with all the toxicity.

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>> According to Sally fallon and Natasha and folk that are claiming that the

environment and food is affecting the genes, the body is always in a state of

trying to heal and cope. The body starts changing and these things can be past

on, not because they are originally genetic per sa, but because the damage is

being done to the being and passed on

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>> the price and potteranger foundation have showed this over and over and over

with many different animals. They have deliberately fed the animals wrongly and

given them toxic and stressful environments. The animals with all this going on

have been having deformed children and their children were even more deformed.

When they rectified the situation the next generation was not as damaged, the

next somewhat better and by about the third generation all symptoms gone. These

are the same genes being passed on but the diseases are not being passed on when

the animal is fed correctly and living in its correct habitat

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>> As you know we have parkinsons in our family but I do not believe it is the

genes causing the problem. The genes determine we are lower in dopamine than the

average bod, but this is not Parkinsons. This is normal. People are meant to be,

within range higher or lower in dopamine, this is what makes a personality.

Where things are going wrong for us is the environment is interfering with the

dopamine. we are already low, which in a good environment, ie up in the hills

with good food etc, we would not have parkinsons, but because we live in this

toxic environment and not eating correctly this brings out the parkinsons

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>> An example I can give you for this is J fox. He went to the hymalayan

mountains and his parkinsons cleared up. There they have no electricity, eat

rock salt, have a gluten free diet, drink raw milk and eat organic meat and veg.

they also have a much more relaxed way of life and meditate and so on. But

for what ever reason is choosing to stay in this environment and seeking

a cure through the medical world. Alas, this is what my ancestors too have done.

One of them was offered a place in the countryside, where they could have better

food and so on, they would not go. And my dad is rather like this too. I am not,

I am more of an escape artist which is why i know I am not going to develop the

full blown parkinsons, even though I know i have the personality and the

potential

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>> It is the same with the reactive arthiritis,. I have one aunt fully crippled

by it and one basically healed. The healed one is using ketosis. I did have the

same symptoms as them but no longer now I am using the diet. But i have gone one

better than my aunt because not only am I using ketosis , I am eating the

correct foods for humans

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>> The drugs that doctors give for parkinsons and reactive arthiritis always

make the illnesses worse, I have seen that on both sides. Where there is an

advantage with diagnosis ismedical care. My dad and aunts who are diagnosed can

get a level of state care, ie physio etc, that I cannot get since i do not have

the diagnoses they have. I have to pay for my on care, even though i am

significantly poorer than any of my relatives. This is just how the mop flops in

the UK. I cannot allow the illesses to develop in me just to get the things I

need, instead I just look for free sources, or Do It yourself sources. So what i

am saying is a diagnosis might be useful to get certain kinds of help that would

be useful, but if we sit and listen too much to the gene thing we can be brain

washed into thinking it simply is our destiny, but this is not correct

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>> , I do have links for some of this lot, it is just digging them out, I

am stuck for time at the minute, but if you want more info please let me know, I

would rather share all this than keep it to myself

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>> Love Joanne

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>> To: mailto:fibromyalgiacured%40yahoogroups.com

>> Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012, 7:28

>> Subject: Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, Hypermobility Type

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>> Hello I was wondering if anyone in the group has been tested for this Ehlers

>> Danlos Syndrome also known as EDS and there are different types. As some of

you

>> know I had a stroke last year at 42 and it cause head pain so I have been

seeing

>> a pain neuro at Stanford

>> My sister who is 29 has fibro very bad and I have been telling her about the

>> diet but she really does not do it...anyway I kept telling her about my pain

>> doctor. She finally saw the pain doctor and recommended another neuro who

thinks

>> that she has EDS, also my mom, my moms sister and my aunts daughter and

perhaps

>> me as well.

>> My sister has to go see a genetic doctor next. I do know we all have hyper

>> mobility and I know some of you do as well. I do cut easily

>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK1279/

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>> Ciao-

>> Ange

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