Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Terry: This is very informative and reading it makes a lot of sense. Woody Woodard --- Terry Herbert wrote: > Whenever the subject of alternative treatment > options is raised, there are > stern warnings about people taking advantage of the > ill, references are made > to Quackwatch sites, we are told to believe nothing > that isn't supported by > sound scientific studies - double blind prospective > studies with the results > published in recognized journals. > > > > In their advertising blurb for a new publication, > the wise men at s > Hopkins pose the following questions: > > > > True or false? The underlying cause of prostate > cancer is unknown. > > True or false? Prostate cancer has a stronger > hereditary component than > breast and colon cancers. > > True or false? 80% of diagnosed prostate cancers are > confined to the gland > or to the immediate surrounding area. > > True or false? Lifestyle choices can modify the > effects of the genetic cards > you are dealt at birth. > > True or false? Eating cooked tomato products like > tomato paste, spaghetti > sauce, and ketchup can reduce your prostate cancer > risk by one third. > > True or false? Eating lots of vegetables may lower > the risk of prostate > cancer. > > True or false? Deaths from prostate cancer are > highest in the Northwest part > of the U.S. and lowest in the Southwest. > > True or false? The most reliable way to detect > prostate cancer in its early > stages is to combine digital rectal exams with PSA > testing. > > True or false? Doctors believe that the overall PSA > level may be less > important than the rate at which the PSA level > rises. > > True or false? Chronic inflammation in the prostate > may promote the > development of prostate cancer. > > True or false? Statin drugs like Lipitor and Zocor > can cut the risk of > developing advanced prostate cancer in half. > > > > In advertising another publication Seven Keys To > Treating Prostate Cancer > the blurb says in part: > > > > <snip> Avoiding prostate cancer ... can be mostly a > matter of information > and education. <snip> > > > > <snip> Understanding your risk of developing > prostate cancer, and knowing > your prevention .. options, are all keys to help you > improve your chances of > avoiding the disease which has incapacitated, > inconvenienced, and even > killed a great many men in all age groups. It cannot > be expressed too > strongly: knowledge is the best way to avoid > prostate cancer ... <snip> > > > > <snip> Seven Keys to Treating Prostate Cancer ... > offers invaluable advice > on how to prevent prostate cancer. <snip> > > > > Given that all the True/False answers are said to be > True and that the > underlying cause of prostate cancer is therefore > unknown, it seems odd that > claims can be made that we can avoid or prevent > prostate cancer. A quick > read through the Seven Keys book doesn't highlight > anything major in the way > of news and it certainly does not seem to fulfil the > three promises outlined > above. What it does say in part, which made me > smile, was <snip> ..lack of > scientific evidence does not necessarily mean lack > of benefit... <snip> > Isn't that what the purveyors of alternative > medicines say too? > > > > Hope you all have a great New Year and may all your > PSAs be low. > > > > All the best > > > > Terry Herbert > > in Melbourne Australia > > Diagnosed '96: Age 54: Stage T2b: PSA 7.2: Gleason > 3+3=6: No treatment. June > '04: TURP. Nov '06 PSA 31.4 > > My site is at > www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za > > It is a tragedy of the world that no one knows what > he doesn't know, and the > less a man knows, the more sure he is that he knows > everything. Joyce > Carey > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Hi Terry, How about some real truths. No treatments either medical or alternative have been shown to be a surfer cure for cancer of any sort. Many treatments of both disciplines have been shown to retard the condition. All medical treatments have been shown to have a variety of unpleasant side effects. No alternative treatments have been shown to have unpleasant side effects on their own. Some alternative treatments have been altered by the pharmaceuticals who have added chemicals and now show unacceptable side effects. Any alternative treatments that caused as little as a sore little finger are promptly jumped on by organisations such as the FDA and NICE at the behest of the pharmaceuticals and forced out of the market. So what are we left with. Yes, there is hope. Gene therapy. Which the pharmas are trying their best to discredit. Mutation. Which appears to have occurred in mice and is being researched by Zheng Cui and his team, see www.cancerimmunity.org. There is also the possibility that it has already occurred in humans. Earlier this year 2006 a Scotsman who had been diagnosed with fairly advanced Prostate Cancer was suddenly shown to be completely clear of cancer having had no treatment whatsoever. Have a good New Year everyone and do not accept unpleasant side effects as inevitable. Larry Whenever the subject of alternative treatment options is raised, there are stern warnings about people taking advantage of the ill, references are made to Quackwatch sites, we are told to believe nothing that isn’t supported by sound scientific studies – double blind prospective studies with the results published in recognized journals. In their advertising blurb for a new publication, the wise men at s Hopkins pose the following questions: True or false? The underlying cause of prostate cancer is unknown. True or false? Prostate cancer has a stronger hereditary component than breast and colon cancers. True or false? 80% of diagnosed prostate cancers are confined to the gland or to the immediate surrounding area. True or false? Lifestyle choices can modify the effects of the genetic cards you are dealt at birth. True or false? Eating cooked tomato products like tomato paste, spaghetti sauce, and ketchup can reduce your prostate cancer risk by one third. True or false? Eating lots of vegetables may lower the risk of prostate cancer. True or false? Deaths from prostate cancer are highest in the Northwest part of the U.S. and lowest in the Southwest. True or false? The most reliable way to detect prostate cancer in its early stages is to combine digital rectal exams with PSA testing. True or false? Doctors believe that the overall PSA level may be less important than the rate at which the PSA level rises. True or false? Chronic inflammation in the prostate may promote the development of prostate cancer. True or false? Statin drugs like Lipitor and Zocor can cut the risk of developing advanced prostate cancer in half. In advertising another publication Seven Keys To Treating Prostate Cancer the blurb says in part: <snip> Avoiding prostate cancer ……… can be mostly a matter of information and education. <snip> <snip> Understanding your risk of developing prostate cancer, and knowing your prevention …… options, are all keys to help you improve your chances of avoiding the disease which has incapacitated, inconvenienced, and even killed a great many men in all age groups. It cannot be expressed too strongly: knowledge is the best way to avoid prostate cancer ……. <snip> <snip> Seven Keys to Treating Prostate Cancer ……. offers invaluable advice on how to prevent prostate cancer. <snip> Given that all the True/False answers are said to be True and that the underlying cause of prostate cancer is therefore unknown, it seems odd that claims can be made that we can avoid or prevent prostate cancer. A quick read through the Seven Keys book doesn’t highlight anything major in the way of news and it certainly does not seem to fulfil the three promises outlined above. What it does say in part, which made me smile, was <snip> ….lack of scientific evidence does not necessarily mean lack of benefit….. <snip> Isn’t that what the purveyors of alternative medicines say too? Hope you all have a great New Year and may all your PSAs be low. All the best Terry Herbert in Melbourne Australia Diagnosed ‘96: Age 54: Stage T2b: PSA 7.2: Gleason 3+3=6: No treatment. June '04: TURP. Nov '06 PSA 31.4 My site is at www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za It is a tragedy of the world that no one knows what he doesn’t know, and the less a man knows, the more sure he is that he knows everything. Joyce Carey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 > >True or false? Eating cooked tomato products like tomato paste, spaghetti >sauce, and ketchup can reduce your prostate cancer risk by one third. > Well.... is this TRUE?? >True or false? Deaths from prostate cancer are highest in the Northwest >part >of the U.S. and lowest in the Southwest. > IS this because of the vitamine D factor. ie: more sunshine in the SW?? Charlie .. age 53.. PSA 8.2 . Gleason 4+3=7 .. awaiting surgery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 This is because Lycopene has been shown to be useful. Lycopene is formed when tomatoes are cooked RE: True or false? >>True or false? Eating cooked tomato products like tomato paste, spaghetti>sauce, and ketchup can reduce your prostate cancer risk by one third.>Well.... is this TRUE??>True or false? Deaths from prostate cancer are highest in the Northwest >part>of the U.S. and lowest in the Southwest.>IS this because of the vitamine D factor. ie: more sunshine in the SW??Charlie .. age 53.. PSA 8.2 . Gleason 4+3=7 .. awaiting surgery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 I’m a big proponent of both tomatoes and pom juice, Lol! Reading this without my glasses..I thought it said porn juice.What is that? Then I realized pomegranate juice.LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 One needs to be careful as there is a difference in “preventing” for those who have not been diagnosed and “slowing” for those who have been diagnosed. I’m a big proponent of both tomatoes and pom juice, just saying use it as an additive, not a treatment. From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Charlie Beyer Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 8:31 AM To: ProstateCancerSupport Subject: RE: True or false? > >True or false? Eating cooked tomato products like tomato paste, spaghetti >sauce, and ketchup can reduce your prostate cancer risk by one third. > Well.... is this TRUE?? >True or false? Deaths from prostate cancer are highest in the Northwest >part >of the U.S. and lowest in the Southwest. > IS this because of the vitamine D factor. ie: more sunshine in the SW?? Charlie .. age 53.. PSA 8.2 . Gleason 4+3=7 .. awaiting surgery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 I spent almost a year with pom and lycopene supplements. Had infinite psa doubling during that period. Who knows if it helped or not, but the PSA number did not climb at all... Surgery turned out to be a (relative) breeze after all the anxiety leading up to the decision. Geo From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of EmersonSent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 2:57 PMTo: ProstateCancerSupport Subject: RE: True or false? One needs to be careful as there is a difference in “preventing” for those who have not been diagnosed and “slowing” for those who have been diagnosed. I’m a big proponent of both tomatoes and pom juice, just saying use it as an additive, not a treatment. From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Charlie BeyerSent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 8:31 AMTo: ProstateCancerSupport Subject: RE: True or false? >>True or false? Eating cooked tomato products like tomato paste, spaghetti>sauce, and ketchup can reduce your prostate cancer risk by one third.>Well.... is this TRUE??>True or false? Deaths from prostate cancer are highest in the Northwest >part>of the U.S. and lowest in the Southwest.>IS this because of the vitamine D factor. ie: more sunshine in the SW??Charlie .. age 53.. PSA 8.2 . Gleason 4+3=7 .. awaiting surgery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 That is too funny!!! Porn Juice......oh the places that could lead to the conversation....don;t want to go there!!Happy New Year to all! EmersonFaith-Love-Hope-Winwww.flhw.org"the Big C" Re: True or false? In a message dated 12/31/06 12:19:13 PM, davidemerson@ swbell.net writes: I¢m a big proponent of both tomatoes and pom juice, Lol! Reading this without my glasses..I thought it said porn juice.What is that? Then I realized pomegranate juice.LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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