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Hi ,

Well, I would think it probably does smell when you're detoxing,

because that's one of the ways your body eliminates toxins.

Sis

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>

> Hello, everybody!

>

> This is a bit embarrassing...but when you are detoxing, do others

> besides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling awful,

> sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in the

> afternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well, it's

not

> really funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really told my

> rheumatologists about it. I always have so many other symptoms

that

> I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them my pee

> burns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to my PCP and

> been checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.

>

> Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?

>

>

>

> PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee really

stinks

> and is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after these

> treatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.

>

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Are you taking any detox supplements? Certain supplements can give your

urine a sulfur smell -- and it is stinky! :o

Kenda

> Hello, everybody!

>

> This is a bit embarrassing...but when you are detoxing, do others

> besides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling awful,

> sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in the

> afternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well, it's not

> really funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really told my

> rheumatologists about it. I always have so many other symptoms that

> I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them my pee

> burns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to my PCP and

> been checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.

>

> Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?

>

>

>

> PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee really stinks

> and is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after these

> treatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.

>

>

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yup, yup, yup on the peeeeeeee

nope, nope, nope, you're not nuts!

signs of detoxing

Hello, everybody!This is a bit embarrassing. ..but when you are detoxing, do othersbesides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling awful,sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in theafternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well, it's notreally funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really told myrheumatologists about it. I always have so many other symptoms that I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them my peeburns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to my PCP andbeen checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee really stinksand is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after thesetreatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.

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One of the things L.Ron noted about sweat detoxing is the unusual smell some people have . . .There have been times when the towel I used a sweat mop was putrid! Keep that stuff coming OUT! RogeneLynda <coss@...> wrote: Yep, after my P.S. dumped my chest full of silicone, my urine smelled like awful metals for months.LyndaAt 06:32 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote:>yup, yup, yup on the peeeeeeee>>nope, nope,

nope, you're not nuts!>> signs of detoxing>>Hello, everybody!>>This is a bit embarrassing. ..but when you are detoxing, do others>besides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling awful,>sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in the>afternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well, it's not>really funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really told my>rheumatologists about it. I always have so many other symptoms that>I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them my pee>burns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to

my PCP and>been checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.>>Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?>>>>PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee really stinks>and is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after these>treatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.>>>>

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No you are not crazy, my urine is hazy and also has a weird odor plus

blood in urine for 8 years. I just had csytoscopy and catscan

everything came out normal. hmm

Terri P

--- In , " diana crocker " <dwcrn@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello, everybody!

>

> This is a bit embarrassing...but when you are detoxing, do others

> besides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling awful,

> sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in the

> afternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well, it's not

> really funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really told my

> rheumatologists about it. I always have so many other symptoms

that

> I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them my pee

> burns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to my PCP and

> been checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.

>

> Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?

>

>

>

> PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee really

stinks

> and is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after these

> treatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.

>

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I'd suggest collecting a sample and delivering it to your doc! Rogenediana crocker <dwcrn@...> wrote: Hello, everybody!This is a bit embarrassing...but when you are detoxing, do othersbesides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling awful,sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in theafternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well, it's notreally funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really told

myrheumatologists about it. I always have so many other symptoms that I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them my peeburns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to my PCP andbeen checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee really stinksand is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after thesetreatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.

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Hi. I know that people on the guaifenisen protocol for fibromyalgia

often go through that exact same thing of the smelly urine, and

burning. It is because the body is dumping toxins. It is

definitely a detox symptom. Make sure to drink lots and lots of

pure water to help dilute your urine and that will help some with

those symptoms and it will help your body move the toxins out. Also

eating an alkalinizing diet will help. Good luck!

Hugs, Kathy

>

> >yup, yup, yup on the peeeeeeee

> >

> >nope, nope, nope, you're not nuts!

> >

> > signs of detoxing

> >

> >Hello, everybody!

> >

> >This is a bit embarrassing. ..but when you are detoxing, do others

> >besides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling awful,

> >sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in the

> >afternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well, it's

not

> >really funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really told my

> >rheumatologists about it. I always have so many other symptoms

that

> >I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them my pee

> >burns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to my PCP and

> >been checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.

> >

> >Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?

> >

> >

> >

> >PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee really

stinks

> >and is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after these

> >treatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dearest Kathy:

Nice to see you posting again, I have missed your lovely messages. Many years ago, I had an oily film on my urine, and saw it a few times. I wonder if I would still be here if this oil had stayed in my body?

Yesterday, we saw our family doctor, and he is worried about my depression. I told him that our psychologist would be coming next Tuesday. Our doctor wants me to go on Zoloft to see if it will help me. I have never been able to take antidepressants, but I might try this drug for a while. My sister who has a silicone shunt takes this drug and she calls it her happy pill...this worries me.

My symptoms are quite severe, but I am not suicidal, I just have no interest in anything. I must force myself to do everything...this is not good.

Last night, when I saw that the FDA had approved these devices, I was so angry. How can they be so stupid, they know that these devices are not safe? The FDA should be sued, because Health Canada made the same mistake and they are being sued. What should we all do to stop this train of destruction?

Love you..........Lea

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signs of detoxing> >> >Hello, everybody!> >> >This is a bit embarrassing. ..but when you are detoxing, do others> >besides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling awful,> >sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in the> >afternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well, it's not> >really funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really told my> >rheumatologists about it. I always have so many other symptoms that> >I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them my pee> >burns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to my PCP and> >been checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.> >> >Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?> >> >> >> >PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee really stinks> >and is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after these> >treatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.> >> >> >> >>

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Thank you very much, Kathy, and all the rest of you who have kindly

shared with me what you've experienced or read about detoxing. Here I

am 12 years after explant...detoxing!! You gals have been great!

> >

> > >yup, yup, yup on the peeeeeeee

> > >

> > >nope, nope, nope, you're not nuts!

> > >

> > > signs of detoxing

> > >

> > >Hello, everybody!

> > >

> > >This is a bit embarrassing. ..but when you are detoxing, do others

> > >besides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling awful,

> > >sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in the

> > >afternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well, it's

> not

> > >really funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really told my

> > >rheumatologists about it. I always have so many other symptoms

> that

> > >I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them my pee

> > >burns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to my PCP and

> > >been checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.

> > >

> > >Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee really

> stinks

> > >and is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after these

> > >treatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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Yep, after my P.S. dumped my chest full of silicone, my urine smelled

like awful metals for months.

Lynda

At 06:32 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote:

>yup, yup, yup on the peeeeeeee

>

>nope, nope, nope, you're not nuts!

>

> signs of detoxing

>

>Hello, everybody!

>

>This is a bit embarrassing. ..but when you are detoxing, do others

>besides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling awful,

>sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in the

>afternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well, it's not

>really funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really told my

>rheumatologists about it. I always have so many other symptoms that

>I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them my pee

>burns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to my PCP and

>been checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.

>

>Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?

>

>

>

>PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee really stinks

>and is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after these

>treatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.

>

>

>

>

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Dear Lea

It is good to be back! This is such a wonderful group. I am so sad

to hear that you are feeling so depressed. It seems like you have

been through so much..more than many people could take so I can

totally understand your severe depression. As you may remember, I

too was severely depressed for around eight years. Some if it was

my husband's death, some of it was my illness which definitely

affected my emotional state every bit as much as my physical state,

and some of it was going through perimenopause. I can see that very

clearly now. Everytime I skip a period I feel so much more stable

emotionally. Then I start up again and there goes my mood. For the

last 2 months, despite problems, I was amazingly upbeat. But then 2

weeks ago my period started (I had hoped I was in menopause!!!) and

the depression, sadness, nervousness, grouchiness and increased

physical symptoms were all back. The difference now is I know that

it is being caused by hormones! That makes it easier somehow to

tolerate. Like you, I can't take antidepressants either, I am very

sensitive to them. But what you may be able to do is try some

natural things too. There are some places that can test your

neurotransmitters and help balance them out by amino acid therapy.

Also magnesium has really helped some people. Taurine can be very

helpful--especially magnesium taurate. Vitamin D really helped me

with depression also. Also watching inspiring encouraging shows. I

really love Creflo Dollar and Joyce Meyer--Christian speakers. They

make me feel so encouraged. On the other side of the spectrum

mindless comedy shows can help us relax and pass time until we feel

some of the worst of depression pass. So we either need to

encourage ourselves by deliberately seeking out music, books, shows,

and people who rekindle our spirits, or find small (and I mean

small) things in each moment to carry us through. Like for me, Hot

chocolate, my puppy, my chilren's joy, fall colored leaves,

birdwatching out my window, etc. I have heard it said (and I agree)

that some depression is anger turned inward. When we are angry at

things we can't control..like illness, death of loved ones, lawsuits

that go sour, insurmountable problems(like your house)and there is

no where for that anger to go--it turns into giving up and

hopelessness. Once depression is intiated, it can jump from a

specific depression caused by specific issues to a generalized

depression caused by an imbalance of our carefully orchestrated

hormones and neurotransmitters. Then it can become a vicious

cycle. Getting out of a severe depression can take time. I am no

longer severely depressed and life is so much easier to cope with.

But I know that I will always be vulnerable to depression and most

guard my heart against it. Lea I pray that you will find your way

back out of this depression. Keep trying until something clicks. I

know that for me, I kept praying and believing that God would bring

me out of it. As far as the implants being back on the market, we

can only do what we can do. Don't let yourself get sick over it.

This world is full of evil and harm to others, and it is hard not to

let bring you down when you want so badly to change it. But, as you

have found out, if we let our emotions get involved (and how do we

not?) then we are constantly upset and that in turn effects every

good thing in life that God has given us. We have to find a way to

deal with the bad things in life without becoming deeply emotionally

involved. It seems you have put so much of your time and passion

into the implant issue and now it must seem all for naught. That

has to really hurt. But you can't feel that way. It wasn't and

isn't. You have helped so many people and will continue to be an

inspiration and fount of knowledge about this issue for others. You

are such a blessing to this group.We will continue to tell others

about the danger of implants and do what we can do. Evil and greed

will always exist, and so will people who will fight against them.

God bless you Lea, and you are in my prayers.

Love, Kathy

> >

> > >yup, yup, yup on the peeeeeeee

> > >

> > >nope, nope, nope, you're not nuts!

> > >

> > > signs of detoxing

> > >

> > >Hello, everybody!

> > >

> > >This is a bit embarrassing. ..but when you are detoxing, do

others

> > >besides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling

awful,

> > >sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in

the

> > >afternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well,

it's

> not

> > >really funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really

told my

> > >rheumatologists about it. I always have so many other

symptoms

> that

> > >I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them

my pee

> > >burns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to my

PCP and

> > >been checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.

> > >

> > >Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee

really

> stinks

> > >and is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after

these

> > >treatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Kathy - - - Wow! What a great message! It's sooooo good to see you back! Love, Rogenemikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote: Dear LeaIt is good to be back! This is such a wonderful group. I am so sad to hear that you are feeling so depressed. It seems like you have been through so much..more than many people could take so I can totally understand your severe depression. As you may remember, I too was severely depressed for around eight

years. Some if it was my husband's death, some of it was my illness which definitely affected my emotional state every bit as much as my physical state, and some of it was going through perimenopause. I can see that very clearly now. Everytime I skip a period I feel so much more stable emotionally. Then I start up again and there goes my mood. For the last 2 months, despite problems, I was amazingly upbeat. But then 2 weeks ago my period started (I had hoped I was in menopause!!!) and the depression, sadness, nervousness, grouchiness and increased physical symptoms were all back. The difference now is I know that it is being caused by hormones! That makes it easier somehow to tolerate. Like you, I can't take antidepressants either, I am very sensitive to them. But what you may be able to do is try some natural things too. There are some places that can test your neurotransmitters and help balance them out by

amino acid therapy. Also magnesium has really helped some people. Taurine can be very helpful--especially magnesium taurate. Vitamin D really helped me with depression also. Also watching inspiring encouraging shows. I really love Creflo Dollar and Joyce Meyer--Christian speakers. They make me feel so encouraged. On the other side of the spectrum mindless comedy shows can help us relax and pass time until we feel some of the worst of depression pass. So we either need to encourage ourselves by deliberately seeking out music, books, shows, and people who rekindle our spirits, or find small (and I mean small) things in each moment to carry us through. Like for me, Hot chocolate, my puppy, my chilren's joy, fall colored leaves, birdwatching out my window, etc. I have heard it said (and I agree) that some depression is anger turned inward. When we are angry at things we can't control..like illness, death of loved ones,

lawsuits that go sour, insurmountable problems(like your house)and there is no where for that anger to go--it turns into giving up and hopelessness. Once depression is intiated, it can jump from a specific depression caused by specific issues to a generalized depression caused by an imbalance of our carefully orchestrated hormones and neurotransmitters. Then it can become a vicious cycle. Getting out of a severe depression can take time. I am no longer severely depressed and life is so much easier to cope with. But I know that I will always be vulnerable to depression and most guard my heart against it. Lea I pray that you will find your way back out of this depression. Keep trying until something clicks. I know that for me, I kept praying and believing that God would bring me out of it. As far as the implants being back on the market, we can only do what we can do. Don't let yourself get sick over it. This world

is full of evil and harm to others, and it is hard not to let bring you down when you want so badly to change it. But, as you have found out, if we let our emotions get involved (and how do we not?) then we are constantly upset and that in turn effects every good thing in life that God has given us. We have to find a way to deal with the bad things in life without becoming deeply emotionally involved. It seems you have put so much of your time and passion into the implant issue and now it must seem all for naught. That has to really hurt. But you can't feel that way. It wasn't and isn't. You have helped so many people and will continue to be an inspiration and fount of knowledge about this issue for others. You are such a blessing to this group.We will continue to tell others about the danger of implants and do what we can do. Evil and greed will always exist, and so will people who will fight against them. God bless

you Lea, and you are in my prayers.Love, Kathy> > > > >yup, yup, yup on the peeeeeeee> > >> > >nope, nope, nope, you're not

nuts!> > >> > > signs of detoxing> > >> > >Hello, everybody!> > >> > >This is a bit embarrassing. ..but when you are detoxing, do others> > >besides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling awful,> > >sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in the> > >afternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well, it's > not> > >really funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really told my> > >rheumatologists about it. I always have so many other symptoms > that> >

>I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them my pee> > >burns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to my PCP and> > >been checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.> > >> > >Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?> > >> > >> > >> > >PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee really > stinks> > >and is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after these> > >treatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>

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Dearest Kathy:

Thank you for this, you are so kind. Not many people understand why I am so unhappy, but the women who have travelled down the same path as me are in the know. Our psychologist is coming to our home this morning and he always seems to have the answers, or at least we hope that he can help.The last time that I went through some deep depression, he asked me to make some nightgowns for our grand-daughters. He wanted to see them when he came back the next week. I did do this, but it was not what I wanted to do. Zoloft is not the answer...I have tried this before and it made me sick....more later.

Thank you again for all that you do for us...love you...Lea

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signs of detoxing> > >> > >Hello, everybody!> > >> > >This is a bit embarrassing. ..but when you are detoxing, do others> > >besides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling awful,> > >sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in the> > >afternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well, it's > not> > >really funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really told my> > >rheumatologists about it. I always have so many other symptoms > that> > >I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them my pee> > >burns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to my PCP and> > >been checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.> > >> > >Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?> > >> > >> > >> > >PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee really > stinks> > >and is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after these> > >treatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>

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Lea, You've made it through depression before - and you;re much wiser now about the reasons! . . . I know you'll pull through this one too. Come to think of it, anyone who wasn't depressed after going through your experiences, would have to be crazy to begin with! Love, RogeneLea <devans@...> wrote: Dearest Kathy: Thank you for this, you are so kind. Not many people understand why I am so unhappy, but the women who have travelled down the same path as me are in the know. Our psychologist is coming to our home this morning and he always seems to have the answers, or at least we hope that he can help.The last time that I went through some deep depression, he asked me to make some nightgowns for our grand-daughters. He wanted to see them when he came back the next week. I did do this, but it was not what I wanted to do. Zoloft is not the answer...I have tried this before and it made me sick....more later. Thank you again for all that you do for us...love you...Lea ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``````````````````` signs of detoxing> > >> > >Hello, everybody!> > >> > >This is a bit embarrassing. ..but when you are detoxing, do others> > >besides me notice that their urine stinks? Besides smelling awful,> > >sometimes my urine also gets very acid or something, and in the> > >afternoons especially it burns my 'down there,' LOL! Well, it's > not> > >really funny...it hurts a lot! It burns! I've never really told my> > >rheumatologists about it. I always have so many other symptoms > that> > >I'm afraid they'll really think I'm a kook if I tell them my

pee> > >burns and is smelly. I've mentioned it once or twice to my PCP and> > >been checked for urinary tract infection, and been negative.> > >> > >Well, so, let me know, ladies. Am I nuts, or what?> > >> > >> > >> > >PS I had myofascial stretching done yesterday and my pee really > stinks> > >and is starting to burn today. I drink a lot of water after these> > >treatments, so it's not that I've gotten dehydrated.> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>

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Dear Lea,

I come from a family where several relatives, including my son, suffer

from bi-polar disorders. I didn't get the cycling of moods that goes

with that illness, but I have repetitive major depressive episodes, have

since I was about 23 years old, and I'm now 64, be 65 in December! I

had implants placed when I was 25 years old because of a pectus (a caved

in chest, congenital); well, I had it done because I didn't like the way

it looked, and the doctors were so persuasive about how implants would

help 'fill in' and make me look better in my clothes, etc. Anyhow, I'm

sure my repetitive depressions were part of my family inheritance, but

when I really finally *fell* ill from implants, it was kind of a literal

fall; I just suddenly it seemed felt very ill for no reason that I could

think of; I had my implants out immediately, *knowing *somehow it was

due to their presence in my body, I felt better for a bit, as most of us

do, then I became ill to the point of being bedridden. It's been 12

years now, and during most of that time I had to battle depression along

with SBD, and I'm sure that in my case I was prone to depression, but I

also know that all those toxins made me much worse than I had ever been

before. I've been on antidepressants ever since they came on the market

back in the 70s, but when I was the most ill my psychiatrist put me on

Zoloft because she said it was particularly good for people who also had

chronic medical problems, that it was sort of 'gentle' on the system.

How could she know for certain or predict it would be absolutely the one

for me? Of course, she couldn't, but I trusted her over many years, and

using Zoloft *was* very helpful for me until 2004 when I was

hospitalized, and my medications were all changed around. I'm doing

well on what I'm on now...so don't rock the boat I always say! But I

just wanted you to know that Zoloft seemed 'gentle' to me...whatever

that means! <grin> If necessary for you to try something, I hope it

will be just as helpful for you. Depression is a cowering in the dark

that never seems to end; it's awful stuff! I hope you and your

therapist and your doctor are able to find you some relief soon.

Gentle hugs,

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Thank you dear :

I will respond later, but thank you for the interesting note...love...Lea

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Dear Lea,I come from a family where several relatives, including my son, suffer from bi-polar disorders. I didn't get the cycling of moods that goes with that illness, but I have repetitive major depressive episodes, have since I was about 23 years old, and I'm now 64, be 65 in December! I had implants placed when I was 25 years old because of a pectus (a caved in chest, congenital); well, I had it done because I didn't like the way it looked, and the doctors were so persuasive about how implants would help 'fill in' and make me look better in my clothes, etc. Anyhow, I'm sure my repetitive depressions were part of my family inheritance, but when I really finally *fell* ill from implants, it was kind of a literal fall; I just suddenly it seemed felt very ill for no reason that I could think of; I had my implants out immediately, *knowing *somehow it was due to their presence in my body, I felt better for a bit, as most of us do, then I became ill to the point of being bedridden. It's been 12 years now, and during most of that time I had to battle depression along with SBD, and I'm sure that in my case I was prone to depression, but I also know that all those toxins made me much worse than I had ever been before. I've been on antidepressants ever since they came on the market back in the 70s, but when I was the most ill my psychiatrist put me on Zoloft because she said it was particularly good for people who also had chronic medical problems, that it was sort of 'gentle' on the system. How could she know for certain or predict it would be absolutely the one for me? Of course, she couldn't, but I trusted her over many years, and using Zoloft *was* very helpful for me until 2004 when I was hospitalized, and my medications were all changed around. I'm doing well on what I'm on now...so don't rock the boat I always say! But I just wanted you to know that Zoloft seemed 'gentle' to me...whatever that means! <grin> If necessary for you to try something, I hope it will be just as helpful for you. Depression is a cowering in the dark that never seems to end; it's awful stuff! I hope you and your therapist and your doctor are able to find you some relief soon.Gentle hugs,

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Dearest :

This morning, I have taken the time to read most all of your thoughtful messages. Thank you for joing this wonderful group. Most of my family are very easy going and happy...like my father. He loved life so much and I used to be like him; however, my life has changed so much. The implants made me sick from day one, but I never made the connection.

I am sorry that you have had to go through this nightmare with us. We are close in age, and being 65 now is like being 45 in the old days. My doctors always tell me how young I look, but there are days when I feel like I am 100 years old. My depression is getting a bit better as we adjust to our new home, but I still have a long way to go.

Honey, I did some research on Zoloft, and I will not take this drug. My doctor had tried me on this drug several years ago and it made me sick, but he thought that I had not given it a chance. His wife has been on Zoloft for 15 years, and she is not doing any better. The only drug that I can take is Xanax and it helps with the pain.

Stay close and keep up the great work...love you..........Lea

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Dear Lea,I come from a family where several relatives, including my son, suffer from bi-polar disorders. I didn't get the cycling of moods that goes with that illness, but I have repetitive major depressive episodes, have since I was about 23 years old, and I'm now 64, be 65 in December! I had implants placed when I was 25 years old because of a pectus (a caved in chest, congenital); well, I had it done because I didn't like the way it looked, and the doctors were so persuasive about how implants would help 'fill in' and make me look better in my clothes, etc. Anyhow, I'm sure my repetitive depressions were part of my family inheritance, but when I really finally *fell* ill from implants, it was kind of a literal fall; I just suddenly it seemed felt very ill for no reason that I could think of; I had my implants out immediately, *knowing *somehow it was due to their presence in my body, I felt better for a bit, as most of us do, then I became ill to the point of being bedridden. It's been 12 years now, and during most of that time I had to battle depression along with SBD, and I'm sure that in my case I was prone to depression, but I also know that all those toxins made me much worse than I had ever been before. I've been on antidepressants ever since they came on the market back in the 70s, but when I was the most ill my psychiatrist put me on Zoloft because she said it was particularly good for people who also had chronic medical problems, that it was sort of 'gentle' on the system. How could she know for certain or predict it would be absolutely the one for me? Of course, she couldn't, but I trusted her over many years, and using Zoloft *was* very helpful for me until 2004 when I was hospitalized, and my medications were all changed around. I'm doing well on what I'm on now...so don't rock the boat I always say! But I just wanted you to know that Zoloft seemed 'gentle' to me...whatever that means! <grin> If necessary for you to try something, I hope it will be just as helpful for you. Depression is a cowering in the dark that never seems to end; it's awful stuff! I hope you and your therapist and your doctor are able to find you some relief soon.Gentle hugs,

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Any chance you know if either Zoloft or Xanax has silicone dioxide in them?Lea <devans@...> wrote: Dearest : This morning, I have taken the time to read most all of your thoughtful messages. Thank you for joing this wonderful group. Most of my family are very easy going and happy...like my father. He loved life so much and I used to be like him; however, my life has changed so much. The implants

made me sick from day one, but I never made the connection. I am sorry that you have had to go through this nightmare with us. We are close in age, and being 65 now is like being 45 in the old days. My doctors always tell me how young I look, but there are days when I feel like I am 100 years old. My depression is getting a bit better as we adjust to our new home, but I still have a long way to go. Honey, I did some research on Zoloft, and I will not take this drug. My doctor had tried me on this drug several years ago and it made me sick, but he thought that I had not given it a chance. His wife has been on Zoloft for 15 years, and she is not doing any better. The only drug that I can take is Xanax and it helps with the pain. Stay close and keep up the great work...love you..........Lea ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``` Re: signs of detoxing Dear Lea,I come from a family where several relatives, including my son, suffer from bi-polar disorders. I didn't get the cycling of moods that goes with that illness, but I have repetitive

major depressive episodes, have since I was about 23 years old, and I'm now 64, be 65 in December! I had implants placed when I was 25 years old because of a pectus (a caved in chest, congenital); well, I had it done because I didn't like the way it looked, and the doctors were so persuasive about how implants would help 'fill in' and make me look better in my clothes, etc. Anyhow, I'm sure my repetitive depressions were part of my family inheritance, but when I really finally *fell* ill from implants, it was kind of a literal fall; I just suddenly it seemed felt very ill for no reason that I could think of; I had my implants out immediately, *knowing *somehow it was due to their presence in my body, I felt better for a bit, as most of us do, then I became ill to the point of being bedridden. It's been 12 years now, and during most of that time I had to battle depression along with SBD, and I'm sure that in my case I was

prone to depression, but I also know that all those toxins made me much worse than I had ever been before. I've been on antidepressants ever since they came on the market back in the 70s, but when I was the most ill my psychiatrist put me on Zoloft because she said it was particularly good for people who also had chronic medical problems, that it was sort of 'gentle' on the system. How could she know for certain or predict it would be absolutely the one for me? Of course, she couldn't, but I trusted her over many years, and using Zoloft *was* very helpful for me until 2004 when I was hospitalized, and my medications were all changed around. I'm doing well on what I'm on now...so don't rock the boat I always say! But I just wanted you to know that Zoloft seemed 'gentle' to me...whatever that means! <grin> If necessary for you to try something, I hope it will be just as helpful for you. Depression is a cowering in the

dark that never seems to end; it's awful stuff! I hope you and your therapist and your doctor are able to find you some relief soon.Gentle hugs,

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Honey, you are so smart. I will do some research on the fillers in these two drugs...love you...Lea..I have just spoken to B

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Dear Lea,I come from a family where several relatives, including my son, suffer from bi-polar disorders. I didn't get the cycling of moods that goes with that illness, but I have repetitive major depressive episodes, have since I was about 23 years old, and I'm now 64, be 65 in December! I had implants placed when I was 25 years old because of a pectus (a caved in chest, congenital); well, I had it done because I didn't like the way it looked, and the doctors were so persuasive about how implants would help 'fill in' and make me look better in my clothes, etc. Anyhow, I'm sure my repetitive depressions were part of my family inheritance, but when I really finally *fell* ill from implants, it was kind of a literal fall; I just suddenly it seemed felt very ill for no reason that I could think of; I had my implants out immediately, *knowing *somehow it was due to their presence in my body, I felt better for a bit, as most of us do, then I became ill to the point of being bedridden. It's been 12 years now, and during most of that time I had to battle depression along with SBD, and I'm sure that in my case I was prone to depression, but I also know that all those toxins made me much worse than I had ever been before. I've been on antidepressants ever since they came on the market back in the 70s, but when I was the most ill my psychiatrist put me on Zoloft because she said it was particularly good for people who also had chronic medical problems, that it was sort of 'gentle' on the system. How could she know for certain or predict it would be absolutely the one for me? Of course, she couldn't, but I trusted her over many years, and using Zoloft *was* very helpful for me until 2004 when I was hospitalized, and my medications were all changed around. I'm doing well on what I'm on now...so don't rock the boat I always say! But I just wanted you to know that Zoloft seemed 'gentle' to me...whatever that means! <grin> If necessary for you to try something, I hope it will be just as helpful for you. Depression is a cowering in the dark that never seems to end; it's awful stuff! I hope you and your therapist and your doctor are able to find you some relief soon.Gentle hugs,

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Dear Lea,

You certainly know best in this case! I wonder why many doctors have

difficulty understanding that sometimes the side effects are not worth

the benefit from a medication; even if, in fact, there is benefit from

the medication!

Interesting your reaction to Xanax; I too have found very small

amounts of Xanax to be helpful with pain, and use it carefully. :-)

I noticed others on the list using the expression 'stay close' and

used it myself in a post one day. It felt so good to 'say' it, as it

had felt good to 'hear' it from others. I bet you are the originator

of the phrase!

Love,

>snip< Honey, I did some research on Zoloft, and I will not take

this drug. My doctor had tried me on this drug several years ago and

it made me sick, but he thought that I had not given it a chance. His

wife has been on Zoloft for 15 years, and she is not doing any better.

The only drug that I can take is Xanax and it helps with the pain.

>

> Stay close and keep up the great work...love you..........Lea

>

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Xanax has silcon dioxide in it, I looked it up a few months ago (I

can't recall the name of the site, but I remember I searched online

for something like " prescription drug ingredients " . If I find the

link I let you know.

Sis

Dearest :

>

> This morning, I have taken the time to read most all of your

thoughtful messages. Thank you for joing this wonderful group. Most

of my family are very easy going and happy...like my father. He

loved life so much and I used to be like him; however, my life has

changed so much. The implants made me sick from day one, but I never

made the connection.

>

> I am sorry that you have had to go through this nightmare with

us. We are close in age, and being 65 now is like being 45 in the

old days. My doctors always tell me how young I look, but there are

days when I feel like I am 100 years old. My depression is getting a

bit better as we adjust to our new home, but I still have a long way

to go.

>

> Honey, I did some research on Zoloft, and I will not take this

drug. My doctor had tried me on this drug several years ago and it

made me sick, but he thought that I had not given it a chance. His

wife has been on Zoloft for 15 years, and she is not doing any

better. The only drug that I can take is Xanax and it helps with the

pain.

>

> Stay close and keep up the great work...love you..........Lea

>

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> Re: signs of detoxing

>

>

> Dear Lea,

> I come from a family where several relatives, including my son,

suffer

> from bi-polar disorders. I didn't get the cycling of moods that

goes

> with that illness, but I have repetitive major depressive

episodes, have

> since I was about 23 years old, and I'm now 64, be 65 in December!

I

> had implants placed when I was 25 years old because of a pectus (a

caved

> in chest, congenital); well, I had it done because I didn't like

the way

> it looked, and the doctors were so persuasive about how implants

would

> help 'fill in' and make me look better in my clothes, etc. Anyhow,

I'm

> sure my repetitive depressions were part of my family inheritance,

but

> when I really finally *fell* ill from implants, it was kind of a

literal

> fall; I just suddenly it seemed felt very ill for no reason that I

could

> think of; I had my implants out immediately, *knowing *somehow it

was

> due to their presence in my body, I felt better for a bit, as most

of us

> do, then I became ill to the point of being bedridden. It's been

12

> years now, and during most of that time I had to battle depression

along

> with SBD, and I'm sure that in my case I was prone to depression,

but I

> also know that all those toxins made me much worse than I had ever

been

> before. I've been on antidepressants ever since they came on the

market

> back in the 70s, but when I was the most ill my psychiatrist put

me on

> Zoloft because she said it was particularly good for people who

also had

> chronic medical problems, that it was sort of 'gentle' on the

system.

> How could she know for certain or predict it would be absolutely

the one

> for me? Of course, she couldn't, but I trusted her over many

years, and

> using Zoloft *was* very helpful for me until 2004 when I was

> hospitalized, and my medications were all changed around. I'm

doing

> well on what I'm on now...so don't rock the boat I always say! But

I

> just wanted you to know that Zoloft seemed 'gentle' to

me...whatever

> that means! <grin> If necessary for you to try something, I hope

it

> will be just as helpful for you. Depression is a cowering in the

dark

> that never seems to end; it's awful stuff! I hope you and your

> therapist and your doctor are able to find you some relief soon.

> Gentle hugs,

>

>

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Seems to me another good reason NOT to use an addictive drug...

;-)

Dearest :

> >

> > This morning, I have taken the time to read most all of your

> thoughtful messages. Thank you for joing this wonderful group. Most

> of my family are very easy going and happy...like my father. He

> loved life so much and I used to be like him; however, my life has

> changed so much. The implants made me sick from day one, but I never

> made the connection.

> >

> > I am sorry that you have had to go through this nightmare with

> us. We are close in age, and being 65 now is like being 45 in the

> old days. My doctors always tell me how young I look, but there are

> days when I feel like I am 100 years old. My depression is getting a

> bit better as we adjust to our new home, but I still have a long way

> to go.

> >

> > Honey, I did some research on Zoloft, and I will not take this

> drug. My doctor had tried me on this drug several years ago and it

> made me sick, but he thought that I had not given it a chance. His

> wife has been on Zoloft for 15 years, and she is not doing any

> better. The only drug that I can take is Xanax and it helps with the

> pain.

> >

> > Stay close and keep up the great work...love you..........Lea

> >

>

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> > Re: signs of detoxing

> >

> >

> > Dear Lea,

> > I come from a family where several relatives, including my son,

> suffer

> > from bi-polar disorders. I didn't get the cycling of moods that

> goes

> > with that illness, but I have repetitive major depressive

> episodes, have

> > since I was about 23 years old, and I'm now 64, be 65 in December!

> I

> > had implants placed when I was 25 years old because of a pectus (a

> caved

> > in chest, congenital); well, I had it done because I didn't like

> the way

> > it looked, and the doctors were so persuasive about how implants

> would

> > help 'fill in' and make me look better in my clothes, etc. Anyhow,

> I'm

> > sure my repetitive depressions were part of my family inheritance,

> but

> > when I really finally *fell* ill from implants, it was kind of a

> literal

> > fall; I just suddenly it seemed felt very ill for no reason that I

> could

> > think of; I had my implants out immediately, *knowing *somehow it

> was

> > due to their presence in my body, I felt better for a bit, as most

> of us

> > do, then I became ill to the point of being bedridden. It's been

> 12

> > years now, and during most of that time I had to battle depression

> along

> > with SBD, and I'm sure that in my case I was prone to depression,

> but I

> > also know that all those toxins made me much worse than I had ever

> been

> > before. I've been on antidepressants ever since they came on the

> market

> > back in the 70s, but when I was the most ill my psychiatrist put

> me on

> > Zoloft because she said it was particularly good for people who

> also had

> > chronic medical problems, that it was sort of 'gentle' on the

> system.

> > How could she know for certain or predict it would be absolutely

> the one

> > for me? Of course, she couldn't, but I trusted her over many

> years, and

> > using Zoloft *was* very helpful for me until 2004 when I was

> > hospitalized, and my medications were all changed around. I'm

> doing

> > well on what I'm on now...so don't rock the boat I always say! But

> I

> > just wanted you to know that Zoloft seemed 'gentle' to

> me...whatever

> > that means! <grin> If necessary for you to try something, I hope

> it

> > will be just as helpful for you. Depression is a cowering in the

> dark

> > that never seems to end; it's awful stuff! I hope you and your

> > therapist and your doctor are able to find you some relief soon.

> > Gentle hugs,

> >

> >

>

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Thank you sweetheart, I would love to see what this drug has in it.

Love you..........Lea

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Re: signs of detoxing> > > Dear Lea,> I come from a family where several relatives, including my son, suffer > from bi-polar disorders. I didn't get the cycling of moods that goes > with that illness, but I have repetitive major depressive episodes, have > since I was about 23 years old, and I'm now 64, be 65 in December! I > had implants placed when I was 25 years old because of a pectus (a caved > in chest, congenital); well, I had it done because I didn't like the way > it looked, and the doctors were so persuasive about how implants would > help 'fill in' and make me look better in my clothes, etc. Anyhow, I'm > sure my repetitive depressions were part of my family inheritance, but > when I really finally *fell* ill from implants, it was kind of a literal > fall; I just suddenly it seemed felt very ill for no reason that I could > think of; I had my implants out immediately, *knowing *somehow it was > due to their presence in my body, I felt better for a bit, as most of us > do, then I became ill to the point of being bedridden. It's been 12 > years now, and during most of that time I had to battle depression along > with SBD, and I'm sure that in my case I was prone to depression, but I > also know that all those toxins made me much worse than I had ever been > before. I've been on antidepressants ever since they came on the market > back in the 70s, but when I was the most ill my psychiatrist put me on > Zoloft because she said it was particularly good for people who also had > chronic medical problems, that it was sort of 'gentle' on the system. > How could she know for certain or predict it would be absolutely the one > for me? Of course, she couldn't, but I trusted her over many years, and > using Zoloft *was* very helpful for me until 2004 when I was > hospitalized, and my medications were all changed around. I'm doing > well on what I'm on now...so don't rock the boat I always say! But I > just wanted you to know that Zoloft seemed 'gentle' to me...whatever > that means! <grin> If necessary for you to try something, I hope it > will be just as helpful for you. Depression is a cowering in the dark > that never seems to end; it's awful stuff! I hope you and your > therapist and your doctor are able to find you some relief soon.> Gentle hugs,> >

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Molly dear, how do I stop taking this drug after so many of years being on it? I wish that I had known the dangers of this drug.

Love you.....Lea

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Re: signs of detoxing> > > > > > Dear Lea,> > I come from a family where several relatives, including my son, > suffer > > from bi-polar disorders. I didn't get the cycling of moods that > goes > > with that illness, but I have repetitive major depressive > episodes, have > > since I was about 23 years old, and I'm now 64, be 65 in December! > I > > had implants placed when I was 25 years old because of a pectus (a > caved > > in chest, congenital); well, I had it done because I didn't like > the way > > it looked, and the doctors were so persuasive about how implants > would > > help 'fill in' and make me look better in my clothes, etc. Anyhow, > I'm > > sure my repetitive depressions were part of my family inheritance, > but > > when I really finally *fell* ill from implants, it was kind of a > literal > > fall; I just suddenly it seemed felt very ill for no reason that I > could > > think of; I had my implants out immediately, *knowing *somehow it > was > > due to their presence in my body, I felt better for a bit, as most > of us > > do, then I became ill to the point of being bedridden. It's been > 12 > > years now, and during most of that time I had to battle depression > along > > with SBD, and I'm sure that in my case I was prone to depression, > but I > > also know that all those toxins made me much worse than I had ever > been > > before. I've been on antidepressants ever since they came on the > market > > back in the 70s, but when I was the most ill my psychiatrist put > me on > > Zoloft because she said it was particularly good for people who > also had > > chronic medical problems, that it was sort of 'gentle' on the > system. > > How could she know for certain or predict it would be absolutely > the one > > for me? Of course, she couldn't, but I trusted her over many > years, and > > using Zoloft *was* very helpful for me until 2004 when I was > > hospitalized, and my medications were all changed around. I'm > doing > > well on what I'm on now...so don't rock the boat I always say! But > I > > just wanted you to know that Zoloft seemed 'gentle' to > me...whatever > > that means! <grin> If necessary for you to try something, I hope > it > > will be just as helpful for you. Depression is a cowering in the > dark > > that never seems to end; it's awful stuff! I hope you and your > > therapist and your doctor are able to find you some relief soon.> > Gentle hugs,> > > >>

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Thank you Lynda dear, I have stopped taking Xanax at 5AM. I used to take it at this time, because I wanted to sleep longer. likes to have this time to himself to mark student papers. We now get up at the same time, this works better for me.

Honey, what is gaba? Sending love.........Lea

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Re: signs of detoxing> > >> > >> > > Dear Lea,> > > I come from a family where several relatives, including my son,> > suffer> > > from bi-polar disorders. I didn't get the cycling of moods that> > goes> > > with that illness, but I have repetitive major depressive> > episodes, have> > > since I was about 23 years old, and I'm now 64, be 65 in December!> > I> > > had implants placed when I was 25 years old because of a pectus (a> > caved> > > in chest, congenital); well, I had it done because I didn't like> > the way> > > it looked, and the doctors were so persuasive about how implants> > would> > > help 'fill in' and make me look better in my clothes, etc. Anyhow,> > I'm> > > sure my repetitive depressions were part of my family inheritance,> > but> > > when I really finally *fell* ill from implants, it was kind of a> > literal> > > fall; I just suddenly it seemed felt very ill for no reason that I> > could> > > think of; I had my implants out immediately, *knowing *somehow it> > was> > > due to their presence in my body, I felt better for a bit, as most> > of us> > > do, then I became ill to the point of being bedridden. It's been> > 12> > > years now, and during most of that time I had to battle depression> > along> > > with SBD, and I'm sure that in my case I was prone to depression,> > but I> > > also know that all those toxins made me much worse than I had ever> > been> > > before. I've been on antidepressants ever since they came on the> > market> > > back in the 70s, but when I was the most ill my psychiatrist put> > me on> > > Zoloft because she said it was particularly good for people who> > also had> > > chronic medical problems, that it was sort of 'gentle' on the> > system.> > > How could she know for certain or predict it would be absolutely> > the one> > > for me? Of course, she couldn't, but I trusted her over many> > years, and> > > using Zoloft *was* very helpful for me until 2004 when I was> > > hospitalized, and my medications were all changed around. I'm> > doing> > > well on what I'm on now...so don't rock the boat I always say! But> > I> > > just wanted you to know that Zoloft seemed 'gentle' to> > me...whatever> > > that means! <grin> If necessary for you to try something, I hope> > it> > > will be just as helpful for you. Depression is a cowering in the> > dark> > > that never seems to end; it's awful stuff! I hope you and your> > > therapist and your doctor are able to find you some relief soon.> > > Gentle hugs,> > > > > >> >>>><http://promos.hotbar.com/promos/promodll.dll?RunPromo & El= & SG= & RAND=8587 & partner=hbtools>>Upgrade Your Email - Click here!>>>

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