Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Hi Judy, wasn't quite that severe, but she did have very bad, never seen before tantrums for 8 (EIGHT) weeks after we started SCD. Plus some eye stims developed that we had never seen before. The general consensus is that these behaviours are from die-off. Only you can decide if that is the case with your son. Sure hope things get better for you soon. Sue (from Pickering) Mom to , 4, formerly? ASD, SCD 9 1/2 months > My asd 2 year old son has been on SCD for 6 weeks. We did the intro > diet for 2 weeks, and introduced new foods slowly. We have done > everything by the book. Currently he is eating pearsauce, applesauce, > meatloaf with tomato juice and pasley and onion, banana, peanut > butter pancakes (banana, peanut butter and 2 eggs and baking soda) > He also eats butternut and spagetti squash. The last 6 weeks we > have seen a totally different child. He lines things up and runs > around the room in circles. If he is stopped he has a meltdown. He > has tantrums all of the time. He is also on Nystatin for 1 week, > however, he has been on Nystatin before when he was GFCF and did not > react this way. Help!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Oh man, it sounds like you are having an awful time! I have to say that my son would definitely act this way also if we gave him applesauce, peanut butter, bananas or tomato juice. Either it's die off, or maybe there are some other food intolerances. Bananas and tomatoes are high in phenols and salycilates, apples are very high in salycilates and I believe peanuts are high in phenols as well. Many, but not all, ASD children have trouble with these foods. Being on SCD can heal the gut eventually so that these foods can be tolerated, but it doesn't happen overnight, as I am sure you already know. Maybe you could experiment with cutting out apples, just using pears, try cashew or macadamia butter. Will he eat meatloaf without the tomato juice? My son loves it when I grind up pork or beef and make little bite sized meatballs. We just add garlic and some herbs, and use some olive oil, and they turn out great. The tantrums and the stims sound like he's getting something that doesn't agree with him. Also, did you have the Nystatin done by a compounding pharmacy? I think I remember ingredients that were not OK for SCD, or even gf/cf. Whatever you do, good luck! Figuring all this out is so hard. Our kids are such puzzles. What is fine for one kid makes the next kid extremely autistic. Best Wishes, > My asd 2 year old son has been on SCD for 6 weeks. We did the intro > diet for 2 weeks, and introduced new foods slowly. We have done > everything by the book. Currently he is eating pearsauce, applesauce, > meatloaf with tomato juice and pasley and onion, banana, peanut > butter pancakes (banana, peanut butter and 2 eggs and baking soda) > He also eats butternut and spagetti squash. The last 6 weeks we > have seen a totally different child. He lines things up and runs > around the room in circles. If he is stopped he has a meltdown. He > has tantrums all of the time. He is also on Nystatin for 1 week, > however, he has been on Nystatin before when he was GFCF and did not > react this way. Help!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 I agree. Who's to say what exactly is going on (die-off, intolerances etc.), but an important reminder was stated in the below post that is critical for newbies: A legal food is not necessarily a tolerated food for *your* child. Introduce foods s-l-o-w-l-y and carefully to see what may cause what reaction. Marisol > Subject: RE: Re: worse since SCD > > > Oh man, it sounds like you are having an awful time! I have to say that > my son would definitely act this way also if we gave him applesauce, > peanut butter, bananas or tomato juice. Either it's die off, or maybe > there are some other food intolerances. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 In the beginning fruit will still feed the yeast, so best to limit and possibly exclude for a little while. Peanut butter and cashew butter are both very moldy and will also encourage yeast growth, so avoid them too in the begining. I know it's so hard changing all this food around. Do the best you can. Good luck, , mom to , almost 4, ASD , almost 2 ,leaky gut, still NT SCD 4+ months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 " In the beginning fruit will still feed the yeast, so best to limit and possibly exclude for a little while. Peanut butter and cashew butter are both very moldy and will also encourage yeast growth, so avoid them too in the begining. " This post is not meant to start a fight about anything, but I feel obligated to point out that this is not Elaine Gottschall's opinion that on this topic. This particular point of view is held by others who have written books about yeast problems. Since this list supports people who follow the SCD, we are following what Elaine has written. She does not believe that fruit will feed yeast. Each parent has the right and obligation to do what he/she thinks is best for his/her own child, but we do not recommend following the SCD without fruit. In the beginning of the diet it is important to remember that all fruit must be peeled, deseeded and cooked, with the exception of very ripe bananas (black spots on banana peel). Jody mom to -5.0 and -7.4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 the list has lost by angie maccauleys exclusion and elaines posts on the subject on lyris tended to vary. she was concerned about a lack of sugars in the diet from the exclusion of fruit. you just have to look at the yeast film on a grape to know that the yeast fruit issue is not simple but the problems may relate more to modulations of the immune system by some substances in some fruits like mangos seem to retard the bodies anti fungal defences.......... thats why i'm quite keen on zinc methionine with scd but depeletion of copper is a problem with to much zinc. > " In the beginning fruit will still feed the yeast, so best to limit > and possibly exclude for a little while. Peanut butter and cashew > butter are both very moldy and will also encourage yeast growth, so > avoid them too in the begining. " > > > This post is not meant to start a fight about anything, but I feel > obligated to point out that this is not Elaine Gottschall's opinion > that on this topic. > This particular point of view is held by others who have written books > about yeast problems. > > Since this list supports people who follow the SCD, we are following > what Elaine has written. She does not believe that fruit will feed > yeast. > > Each parent has the right and obligation to do what he/she thinks is > best for his/her own child, but we do not recommend following the SCD > without fruit. > > In the beginning of the diet it is important to remember that all > fruit must be peeled, deseeded and cooked, with the exception of very > ripe bananas (black spots on banana peel). > > > Jody > mom to -5.0 and -7.4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Please do not advise others to exclude fruit on SCD....... Only you, as the parent of your unique child, can decide what foods are not tolerated..... but the kids need the carbohydrates and fruit and honey ARE allowed on SCD. Our list is dedicated to following the diet as outlined in Breaking the Vicious Cycle, or as closely to that as is possible. Some list members may have differing opinions about yeast control....... but we know that Elaine does not encourage people to limit or exclude fruit. If your child cannot tolerate a particular food due to sensitivities, you will have to work around those in the beginning, of course. Patti, mom to Katera, SCD 8 months ----- Original Message ----- In the beginning fruit will still feed the yeast, so best to limit and possibly exclude for a little while. Peanut butter and cashew butter are both very moldy and will also encourage yeast growth, so avoid them too in the begining. I know it's so hard changing all this food around. Do the best you can. Good luck, , mom to , almost 4, ASD , almost 2 ,leaky gut, still NT SCD 4+ months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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