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Hi,

Thanks for this post. I am glad your adoptive daughter has you to lean on,

with all that

craziness going on.

The part about low contact pissing them off more is something I need to think

about.

Right now, I am considering no contact or very low contact for my mother. I

don't know

what to do, and for now it's no contact.

I also like how you said:

>I learned early (around age 8) that any weakness or mistake revealed

> to g-ma can and would be used against you later ad infinitum (I'd

> seen her do it to my mom and an uncle), so I'd kept major mistakes

> and problems to myself. I'd also learned that g-ma's and mom's

> problems were so much greater than everybody else's and so I needed

> to keep my problems to myself or risk sending one or both of them

> over the brink (sound familiar?) "

Yup, this sounds so familiar. Most of my childhood was spent tiptoeing around

my

mother's problems. When she did go over the edge, my father did blame us. I

know now

that my part in that was insignificant, but I have felt so guilty.

Good luck!

>

> I've been here for about two months. I haven't told my story yet, so

> I tell part of it below. Knowledge about BPD plus UBM, SWOE, and

> this board have been a revelation and sources of healing. This is an

> incredibly long post (8 pages in Word), but I offer it in the hopes

> that others may see some of their own truth reflected back, as I have

> from reading other's posts.

>

> Before I get into the story, the challenge I'm having right now is

> that I vacillate back and forth between wanting to cut off all

> contact with suspected-BPD grandma and thinking that maybe I can

> manage LC. On one hand, I think that when I was younger, I was able

> handle her wacky behavior and spouting off and not take it

> personally, and maybe I can get back to that place with a bit more

> time and work. On the other hand, I think that the insults, subtle

> digs, constant negative talk about the extended family (she loves to

> turn other family member's problems into her own personal drama), and

> constant state of waiting for bs to erupt did impact me in

> significant, if subconscious, ways that harmed my ability to have

> healthy relationships, and left me with a raft of fleas that I've

> been working on since my late 20s and am still working on several

> years later. Before recognizing the possibility of BPD, I'd

> attributed these issues to other occurrences – I was violently

> sexually assaulted by bio-dad at age 3 or 4, mom had problems with

> depression, self-medicating, and really crummy relationships, and mom

> moved us around so much I never got rooted and feared getting

> attached to anybody. Now I recognize that the unpredictability, lack

> of emotional safety, and lack of honest acceptance I experienced

> during my many extended stays with g-ma were other significant pieces

> of the puzzle.

>

> I worry about the stuff she could start spouting off at any time in

> front of my adoptive daughter if the mood takes her over again (see

> below), so I felt fine about saying I don't feel comfortable about

> visiting with g-ma again until she and I have had at least three

> months or so of a nice, calm relationship. Around Thanksgiving, I'd

> arranged for a cousin who was staying over at g-ma's house to come up

> for a day visit [i hadn't seen him in 14 years]. g-ma got wind of

> it, then called and left a teary voicemail asking if she could come

> up to visit too so she could see DD [no mention of missing me, of

> course] because she hadn't seen her in three or four months. When I

> called back several hours later, she was all chipper and asked, " So,

> can we come up to visit with [cousin]? " I named the condition, and

> she immediately shifted to a pissed off, " Fine. Whatever. I can't

> control whatever you're going to decide or do with [DD]. " [inside, I

> said to myself, " Amen! Glad you finally get it! Can I get that in

> writing?!? " ] When I calmly reminded her that there were reasons why

> she hadn't seen DD for three months, and that a lot had happened in

> those three months (again, see below), I got more pissed off " Fine.

> Whatever. " responses.

>

> But I also know that if g-ma doesn't completely get what she wants,

> she'll keep pushing and pushing for it, and she'll always want more

> and more. She'll push for contact with DD's bio-grandma, who likely

> also has BPD and who I cannot stand being around (see below for

> that). She'll more likely than not flare up and strike out at me in

> amazing, colorful ways again. There will be another series of smear

> campaigns to deal with. LC simply will not be good enough for her,

> and there will be a lot more angst. She will play psychological

> games with DD to " get me, " with no compunction or concern for how it

> impacts DD. I know this in my bones.

>

> Funny how just in the process of writing about something, the answer

> comes to you. I now realize that I don't really have any reasonable

> choice with her but NC. With NC, her flare ups and smear campaigns

> will likely remain more contained. She may get pissed off about the

> NC now and then, but she'll probably just bitch about it to the

> extended family for a few weeks and then move on to some other

> drama. LC will probably just egg her on to bigger and better things

> and give her more occasions to get pissed off and riled up about how

> unreasonable and evil I am.

>

> So here's a big chunk of my story, without going back to the

> childhood stuff.

>

> I've been LC with my grandma for about a year. g-ma helped raise me

> (she sometimes likes to claim that she raised me, but I suspect that

> now that I'm split black, she's not bragging about that any more).

> We had some conflicts before, but I was the all-good grandkid more

> often than not. I always thought that she tended to stir up drama,

> but didn't have the opportunity to fully appreciate the magnitude of

> her illness and malignancy until the past year.

>

> Big problems started in December '07, when my cousin relinquished

> parental rights to her then 4 year old, who I'd fostered for nine

> months at that point and had agreed to adopt if reunification didn't

> work out. g-ma had fostered DD for 11 months before I relocated to

> their area and became the foster parent. I'd relocated to foster

> through the attempt at reunification following cousin's release from

> prison and in-patient treatment because I knew that g-ma's emotional

> volatility would stack the deck against cousin's efforts to reunify

> and would only add to the stress DD and cousin experienced through

> the process.

>

> In December '07 and April '08 g-ma had cousin over or took DD to see

> cousin (without consulting me), and these visits caused DD a lot of

> emotional distress (there may have been more, but these were the

> visits I knew of because DD spontaneously told me about them as soon

> as she saw me afterward). I'd had both calm and emotional

> discussions with g-ma about this in winter and spring, trying to

> persuade her that there was good reason for waiting until DD seemed

> emotionally ready for contact to be reestablished with her bio-mom.

> After the first two times, g-ma promised it wouldn't happen again,

> but in June, she had cousin over again. She claimed cousin's mom

> sprung cousin on her in June, but my ability to trust her word had

> been irretrievably broken by then, and her version of events was

> undermined by her defensively saying, " Well, what's the problem with

> her seeing [her bio-mom], anyway? " Um, maybe because it causes her

> serious emotional distress she's not old enough or mature enough to

> deal with, she gets violent with her preschool teachers for weeks

> after, has nightmares, starts distancing herself from me, and has

> mini-nervous breakdowns a week or so after each contact, as I'd

> explained multiple times before?!?

>

> I'd had a lot of health issues in winter and spring, but various

> doctors determined that there didn't seem to be organic causes for

> the recurring chest pains and multiple symptoms associated with MS

> (testing came back clear thankfully). I learned that these many

> symptoms could also be caused by chronic stress and anxiety,

> identified that ongoing conflict with my g-ma and anxiety about what

> her choices were doing to DD were a major source of it, and decided

> that it needed to be nipped in the bud so I could get better and stay

> well enough to take care of DD and other responsibilities. I was in

> the process of undergoing testing and evaluation before DD stayed

> with g-ma for a few days in June while I went to a convention, and

> had told g-ma about it in the hopes that she wouldn't do more to add

> to my stress load. DD could only stay with licensed foster care

> providers, and g-ma had kept a respite care license after DD came to

> me, and at the time, staying with g-ma seemed a better option than

> having her stay with a non-kin care provider.

>

> In July, a few days after my 35th birthday (which g-ma hadn't even

> bothered to acknowledge with a card or phone call), my cardiologist

> called g-ma for my phone number because his office had typoed my

> number. G-ma emailed me all full of concern, saying " I didn't know

> you'd been having health problems, and I certainly hope we didn't do

> anything to contribute to your health problems, " (yeah, RIGHT)

> volunteering that perhaps DD could come stay with her more often to

> help reduce my stress, and saying that she hoped " that you don't

> think I want [cousin] to have primary custody of [DD], because I

> don't think she should be in her primary custody, at least not for a

> long time. " She also said that my aunt (DD's g-ma, who I'm also 99%

> certain has BPD) felt bad because she wasn't seeing DD very often and

> couldn't have her over to visit.

>

> That was it. In the wake of the June incident, I'd read " Toxic

> Parents, " " Emotional Blackmail, " and " Boundaries, " and decided I was

> ready to explicitly set some boundaries now. I'd finally realized

> that making decisions in DD's best interest was my responsibility,

> and that although I wanted others to understand where I was coming

> from, I didn't need to keep explaining or justifying my decisions to

> g-ma or anybody else.

>

> I responded to g-ma's email, reminded her that cousin had legally

> relinquished her parental rights, had failed to take advantage of

> multiple second chances to comply with the Department's and court's

> requirements so she could get her daughter back, I was adopting DD,

> that is a lifetime commitment, that after the neglect, trauma and

> disruption DD experienced in the previous 3 years – the last several

> months that she was with bio-mom while cousin slipped back into meth

> addiction and then got into manufacture in their home, and after

> being removed from the home – DD really needed a lifetime commitment

> from a stable and consistent primary caretaker, and the only way DD

> would live with cousin again was if she decided as an adult that she

> wanted to.

>

> I let her know that I had tried many times to explain to g-ma why

> it's not in DD's best interest to see cousin until she's ready for

> it, that I would try to explain just one more time, but that the

> topic would not be open for discussion again, because it was my

> responsibility to make decisions, including some really tough ones,

> in DD's best interest, and I was done debating, discussing, and

> persuading. I also let her know that DD's relationship with the g-

> parents is important and I'd like the two of us to come over to visit

> more often than we'd been able to recently, but DD wouldn't be able

> to come over to visit without me any more because it was clear that g-

> ma disagreed with me about what was in DD's best interest and g-ma

> would keep on doing what she thought best, regardless of any

> apologies she makes or promises to the contrary.

>

> I also encouraged g-ma to read " Boundaries " (I'm not a Christian, but

> as much as she claims her religion is important to her, I thought a

> book written by born-again Christian psychologists that cites

> scriptural support for the notion of setting appropriate boundaries

> might actually resonate with her). I was very empathetic about how g-

> ma's difficulty in establishing reasonable boundaries seemed to be

> causing her a lot of anxiety and emotional distress, and that she

> needed to take better care of herself and not take her kids' and

> grandkids' bad choices and the repercussions that flow from those

> choices so personally.

>

> I also told her that I wasn't terribly sympathetic to aunt's sadness

> about the lack of visits, since I'd been responsive on the few

> occasions when she called up and asked if she could stop by in an

> hour. She wouldn't call for weeks or months, and then would start

> carrying on to everybody else about how she was being deprived of the

> company of her grandchild. Then there was the rest of the story …

> aunt knew dang well that the reason DD couldn't go visit at her house

> was because a red flag popped up in her husband's background during

> their foster licensing process. Rather than having him submit to a

> sexual deviancy evaluation as their state's Department (we live in

> border communities) had requested and paying the $800 to 1200 for it,

> they pulled their application. She came up with a bs reason why they

> might require a deviancy eval ( " because he's not a blood relative " –

> uh, neither are the vast majority of foster parents). So our state's

> Department had decreed that DD could not be left at her house. I had

> to push her to even talk to her husband to find out what the red flag

> may have been – during that discussion she said, " maybe it's because

> his kids have cut off contact with him " (uh, perhaps they had a

> reason to?!?) I'd offered her an innocuous possibility for a red

> flag – maybe he made a clumsy but unwanted pass at someone, which

> would technically be Sexual Assault 3rd degree in their state, but

> the charges were later dropped. She later claimed that was what had

> happened, that " it was an adult situation, a misunderstanding, when

> he was single years ago, but no charges were ever filed. " But if

> that had been the case, it probably wouldn't have come up during the

> Department's background check. She said that if I wanted more info I

> could talk with him about it directly – I took a pass on that.

>

> I couldn't trust aunt to put protecting kids first given her track

> record: telling her adolescent/teen girls they had it coming when her

> then-husband brutally beat them, telling one daughter she brought on

> herself childhood molestation and two rapes when she was a young teen

> and that she needed to " turn the other cheek and get over it " … which

> she reiterated again in the summer of '07 when that severely bipolar

> (possibly BPD) daughter asked her to go to therapy with her …

> emotionally abandoning that daughter in the wake of a rape because

> she couldn't dealing with her " moping around, " kicking her 12 yo (bio-

> mom to DD) out of her house because g-ma had smuggled her over to

> Thanksgiving dinner, a no-no because aunt is a Jehovah's Witness –

> that cousin fell into meth addiction not long after, berating and

> criticizing bipolar cousin for taking psych medication and doing

> therapy as an adult because she should just get over things and turn

> it over to Jehovah … just thinking about everything fills me with

> rage.

>

> All heck broke loose. g-ma forwarded my email to aunt, who emailed

> me and accused me of meaning to be rude and hurtful because I had to

> know g-ma would show her the email (uh, no, no reasonable person

> would have done so). She said that she'd made mistakes but had

> reconciled with her kids, and claimed she didn't know her ex had

> beaten up the kids and had gotten out of there as soon as she knew of

> it (bs on all counts, as confirmed by her reliable and wholly

> undramatic eldest daughter). I unleashed a torrent of anger on her

> in writing. I told her I'd had it with her warped logic that

> poisoned everybody around her, and with her inability to distinguish

> between little mistakes, medium-sized ones, big ones, and true evil.

>

> At the time, I felt like I was dumping her stuff back on her on

> behalf of my sexual assault survivor cousin, who was too dependent on

> her nada to speak truth to her. But in retrospect, I realize that I

> did so because I had a lot of anger and rage at my g-ma and my mom

> (I'm not even going to get into that relationship – I can't figure

> out if mom's a BPD waif/queen or just has a severe case of fleas),

> but it wasn't safe to express those feelings to them, and I didn't

> have a significant emotional connection to aunt, so she was a

> convenient target. aunt responded about how I think I'm so perfect,

> blah blah blah, then I replied with " I've said all I have to say, "

> and haven't communicated with her since.

>

> And then there was g-ma. She pulled out all the stops, name-calling,

> recriminations, accusations, guilt-tripping, claims that nobody ever

> appreciates all of the sacrifices she's made ( " including you my dear

> granddaughter, who I remember depositing money in your account on

> several occasions and never getting so much as a thank you " – not

> true, and the last time I'd asked her for money would have been at

> least 6 years earlier), victimhood, claims that g-pa was upset

> because of the way I was treating her, I was tearing the family

> apart, keeping DD from the rest of the family, and was jealous of

> DD's love for g-ma and others in the family (sound familiar,

> anybody?) I'd mentioned that my job is stressful, and she one-upped

> me by talking about how stressful it was for her to have to take care

> of four little kids 50 years ago. But I remained firm yet

> diplomatic, let her know that I didn't appreciate name calling or

> insults directed at me or my mom, corrected some of her revisionist

> history about my mom (my mom hadn't " dumped [me] off on [g-ma] so

> many times to go off with some man " – she always found a man pretty

> quickly no matter where she landed, but none of her moves during my

> childhood were any particular dudes] and kept reiterating that I

> wasn't trying to cut g-ma and g-pa out of our lives and that we could

> come to visit together.

>

> She also said that although aunt " had made some mistakes, she is

> doing the best she can, she's my daughter and I love her, and you

> need to get off her back already. " Then she went off on another

> tirade about how deficient my mother (also her daughter) was/is (I

> know this sounds familiar to at least a few recent posters.)

>

> I learned early (around age 8) that any weakness or mistake revealed

> to g-ma can and would be used against you later ad infinitum (I'd

> seen her do it to my mom and an uncle), so I'd kept major mistakes

> and problems to myself. I'd also learned that g-ma's and mom's

> problems were so much greater than everybody else's and so I needed

> to keep my problems to myself or risk sending one or both of them

> over the brink (sound familiar?) Deprived of sufficient ammo for

> full-blown raging at me, g-ma also insulted my mom (her daughter) and

> went off on all the mistakes my mom had made during her life (like I

> have any responsibility for any of that – of course, g-ma had always

> given me the implicit message that I ruined my mom's life just by

> being born. Ugh again).

>

> After a few weeks of emails back and forth, I finally said that I

> wouldn't be responding to any more emails, and she could call me when

> she'd had a chance to calm down and think things over a bit more.

>

> I'd anticipated the possibility of being smeared to the entire

> family, which I think created some of the anxiety I had about finally

> firmly laying down the law. I had to reach the point where I

> recognized that my inaction was taking a huge toll on DD and on me,

> so I no longer cared what the rest of the family might be told or

> persuaded to believe. But I seriously didn't anticipate the other hi-

> jinks she'd get up to.

>

> I heard nothing for three or four weeks. Then in August, she and g-

> pa popped in at DD's preschool. A teacher called me about it, I

> thought it was weird, but figured they'd just peacefully visit for a

> few minutes and then go on their way, so told the teacher it wasn't a

> problem. Little did I know … while we were on the phone or shortly

> thereafter, g-ma went on a loud tirade for several minutes about how

> I'm not DD's mother, I'll never be her mother, [my cousin] will

> always be her mother, she's already talked to our social worker about

> contesting the adoption and she's going to get DD back, I was keeping

> DD from her cousins and the rest of the family, my mom has a gambling

> problem and had a drinking and drug problem when I was a kid,

> itemized every dollar she'd ever given me, the years she spent caring

> for me when my mom dumped me off on her to go off with some man, and

> I'm cold, unfeeling, controlling, and think I'm so much better than

> everybody else, and much more. This was all in front of DD (barely 5

> yrs old) and the target was someone g-ma assumed was a teacher or

> teacher's helper. She was actually DD's child therapist who worked

> with her twice a week at school. Therapist kept redirecting DD to

> show g-pa stuff elsewhere and hoped that if she just said, " uh huh,

> uh huh " enough to g-ma, the storm would pass faster, but it went on

> longer than she expected.

>

> Therapist called me at work right after, and I ended up taking a sick

> day the rest of the day because I was so incredibly upset about all

> of the nonsense she'd spewed in front of DD and was worried about how

> DD would deal with hearing such things from someone she loves and

> respects. After an hour or so of calming down and getting my

> thoughts together, I went up to the g-parents' house to talk with

> them about the situation, make sure she and g-pa knew what had

> happened was completely unacceptable, and make sure that g-pa knew

> that I hadn't said I wouldn't let them see DD ever again, I'd just

> said that I'd need to come along.

>

> It was more of the same as far as g-ma went, plus the fun of being

> screamed at for fifteen minutes at a stretch. I asked her what she

> thought would happen to DD if she somehow managed to succeed in

> stopping the adoption. She responded, " Well, she'd come back to live

> with us. " I reminded her that the law dictates that DD is supposed

> to have a permanent home, that given their advanced age and health

> problems there was no way they could raise her to adulthood, and told

> her that she'd probably have to be adopted by someone outside of the

> family, in which case she certainly wouldn't see her again. G-ma

> then accusingly said that she just knew that I was going to take DD

> and move back to the city I'd relocated from and would never let them

> see her again. Grandpa interposed that " The city just seems so

> dangerous, " and I calmly responded, " Um, Grandpa, this [community] is

> lousy with methamphetamine and alcoholism. It's everywhere here.

> The city is a waaay better environment than here. " Then I explained

> that I'd never promised anyone that I would stay in their community

> forever, that it was possible we might move back there because I have

> a lot of friends and professional contacts there and there are much

> better employment opportunities for me and educational opportunities

> for DD there, and of course we'd come back to visit, she told

> me, " You're just selfish. I can't believe how selfish you are! " I

> calmly responded that I'm sorry she feels that way, but making

> decisions so that DD and I can have the best life possible isn't

> selfish. That's what adults are supposed to do. [Not that I was the

> picture of calm throughout the entire conversation. It's tough to

> keep your cool when someone is screaming at you and hop-scotching

> around to different topics and tactics in order to try to get your

> goat.]

>

> She stormed off for half an hour, and g-pa and I had a very good,

> calm discussion, he seemed to understand all too well where I was

> coming from, but also was trying to play peacemaker, which is of

> course impossible when a BPD is in full on victim rage mode. He

> coaxed her back out so we could try to end things with a hug, but she

> got to screaming at me again, and I honestly felt like if I tried to

> hug her, she'd smack me across the face. I said, " Well, it doesn't

> really look like g-ma wants a hug from me right now, and I'm not

> about to force one on her, so I'd better go. " And she started

> wailing, " Fine. Don't hug me! You don't want to give me a hug! You

> don't care about me! Nobody cares about me! " Holy caaraaap.

>

> A few days later, she emailed and asked that I return some china and

> silver she'd given me a few years earlier. I replied that she'd

> given those things to me, so no, I wouldn't be returning them, and

> reiterated that she could call me when she was ready to talk calmly

> about things. In the weeks that came, g-ma talked to every social

> worker she'd encountered who'd been involved in our case, trying to

> persuade them that I had serious health issues and wouldn't be

> capable of taking care of DD. g-ma is in her late 70s and she and g-

> pa have their own health issues, so this was a weird approach to

> take. She'd also had serious run-ins with the Department staff while

> she was the foster parent because she was convinced they were out to

> get her and were judging her a bad parent because they expected her

> to comply with all of the requirements that every foster parent has

> to comply with, and wrote a scathing letter to the editor, some of

> which the Op-Ed editor informed her had to be edited out due to

> concerns about libel or slander. [i'd had a lot of fun on several

> occasions in 2006 – not – trying to persuade her over the phone that

> they were merely doing what the law requires them to do – lots of

> tears and screaming about how I was " taking their side!, " bossing

> her, and telling her what to do. Ugh.]

>

> She kept on smearing me to the extended family, as expected, and kept

> talking to aunt about how she was going to get me and tell my

> boyfriend about how awful I am so he wouldn't want to have anything

> to do with me (she did some of this in front of survivor cousin, who

> gave me a few heads-ups). A week after I'd gone to talk to them, she

> called my workplace while I was away at court (I'm an attorney) and

> rambled at our intern for several minutes – he'd told me he wasn't

> sure if she was trying to get me fired or was trying to hire the firm

> I work for to represent her in contesting the adoption. She kept

> trying to get into her story with my supervisor, claiming she merely

> wanted advice about whether she should get an attorney to contest the

> adoption; my supervisor kept shutting her down due to the conflict of

> interest since I worked there. G-ma later claimed she didn't know I

> worked there (complete baloney – she'd stopped by my office before).

> The intern, who'd worked with a lot of mentally ill clients prior to

> law school, was the first to suggest g-ma might be BPD – I looked at

> the DSM-IV and thought, " Hmm, maybe, " but didn't think about it again

> until my T suggested the same around November.

>

> My g-ma tried calling my boyfriend a few times; he refused to answer

> her calls, and she didn't leave messages. In September, g-ma sent my

> boyfriend a letter, informing him that I'd lived with at least two

> other boyfriends previously " and she probably didn't tell you about

> that, " (um, yeah, I had) and " they probably broke up with her because

> she's so controlling and they saw how she was. " The thought never

> entered her head that boyfriend is also in his mid-30s and has never

> been married, either, so he might realize that sometimes couples just

> aren't compatible, and that just because you haven't found a

> relationship that could make the long haul, that doesn't mean you're

> a bad or defective person. Yeesh. And she'd met him two, maybe

> three times, so her efforts weren't due to any altruistic concern for

> him – she just wanted to " get " me.

>

> I kept the Department apprised of what was going on with g-ma, and my

> boyfriend and I decided that it would be better if we combined

> households up in his community, a little over a half hour from g-ma

> et al, so we needed to know what we needed to do as far as foster

> licensing and modifying home studies and such. In October, our

> social worker hooked me up with a counselor to deal with the stress

> related to these extended family issues. When T told me that " I

> can't diagnose her just based on your stories, but there is a strong

> possibility that your g-ma has BPD or at least BPD traits, " I dove

> into UBM, SWOE, this board, etc., and finally got some validation and

> better insight.

>

> Then a cousin (BPD aunt's eldest, who's like a sister) called and

> said g-ma had called and asked that cousin return an item with

> sentimental value she'd given her in the summertime, then chewed her

> out for something her 11 year old said while visiting a few months

> earlier (something along the lines of " You know, g-ma, it's not

> really your business, " in response to g-ma ranting about me and the

> decisions I'm making for DD). G-ma also claimed that a new

> grandparents' rights law was going into effect in January and when it

> did, she'd pursue all her options and get DD back (classic

> triangulation, no?) Just about three weeks later came g-ma's call

> and the discussion just after Thanksgiving. Then no word again for

> weeks.

>

> Then two weeks ago, g-ma calls me. I let it go to voicemail. She's

> all calm and upbeat, mostly, as she tells me, " I just wanted to

> apologize for everything that happened to us last year. " SWA? Like

> some external force came out of the sky and visited all this crap

> on " us " last year?!? " I'm sorry for the things I said. I hope you

> can forgive me, because that's all we can do at this point in our

> lives, is forgive and move on with our lives with no rebuts/rebuffs. "

> (I'm not sure which word she used here, and this is where her voice

> developed an edge to it.) " Blah blah blah. Of course, grandpa and I

> aren't going to be around forever. Give me a call. " I haven't

> returned that call.

>

> There's no recognition on her part that her behavior and actions were

> completely over the line. No recognition that her behavior was

> unacceptable and vindictive, no indication that she'll moderate it or

> take steps to control herself in the future. And g-ma is definitely

> big on claiming, " I can't help it! " " I'm just too old to change, " " I

> have a right to say how I feel! " when she's in the midst of a

> completely inappropriate rant, whether in front of little kids or

> not. She gets that same creepy, evil smirk when she's just torn into

> one of her kids, grandkids, or great-grandkids and she thinks she's

> landed a blow. I don't want to be around that again.

>

> And now that I'm parenting, I find her poison coming up in me. I

> find myself experiencing rage when DD does typical little kid stuff

> to test boundaries and establish independence, like arguing or

> showing attitude, or even just dawdling when I'm trying to get ready

> to go in the morning. When DD said one afternoon, " I want to go live

> with somebody else, " I found myself stifling my g-ma's automatic

> response of " Fine. I don't want you here anyway. Let me pack your bag

> and we'll go drop you off somewhere else. " [g-ma had actually

> bragged that she'd told DD that when she was around 3 or 4, then

> started packing her stuff for her, like rejecting a child who'd

> already experienced a raft of disruption was some masterstroke of

> parenting skill.] Instead, I responded, " Gosh, that's a really

> hurtful thing to say. That hurt my feelings. I love you very much.

> You're my special little person and I would be very sad if you didn't

> live with me. " But I was appalled that g-ma's insane reaction came

> to me first and I had to catch myself from letting it fly out of my

> mouth. My response was still more guilt-inducing than I would like –

> I need to figure out something better to say next time DD says

> something along those lines.

>

> I don't like that I find myself experiencing g-ma's emotional, self-

> centered over-reactions as a parenting adult, which is a large part

> of what's motivated me to work on my fleas and spend the time and

> energy processing the childhood experiences and how they shaped me.

> I occasionally hit walls where I just don't want to think about this

> stuff anymore, but wanting to do better by DD than what I experienced

> and what she's experienced previously keep me on track. It also

> gives me the strength to stick to the decision to be at least LC, if

> not NC. I'm NC for now, at least.

>

> Thanks for " listening, " and thanks for being here! I'll appreciate

> any insights or words of encouragement anyone feels moved to

> provide. =)

>

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