Guest guest Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 Hi there. I'm very sad that my son is allergic to the homemade yogurt. I prepared it exactly to pecan bread's instructions with yogourmet and even dripped it. I made several different batches to try. Have any of you ever tried the yogurt, been unable to take it and then waited and tried again several months later with success? How long did you have to wait? I have only heard of SCD people either doing the diet with the yogurt or those doing it totally dairy free. I have not heard from those who had to wait awhile, but then found that the yogurt was okay. I would love to hear your stories. Thanks, , (4) asd, Chase (7), all scd 6 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 You really introduced the yogurt much earlier than the recommendation. I would not try to start until having been SCD for 12 weeks. Did you use goat milk? It also could be the starter. Some of the kids can tolerate one type of starter, but not others. Which one did you use? Patti, mom to Katera, SCD 8 months ----- Original Message ----- From: healthymom2rjg@... I'm very sad that my son is allergic to the homemade yogurt. I prepared it exactly to pecan bread's instructions with yogourmet and even dripped it. I made several different batches to try. Have any of you ever tried the yogurt, been unable to take it and then waited and tried again several months later with success? How long did you have to wait? I have only heard of SCD people either doing the diet with the yogurt or those doing it totally dairy free. I have not heard from those who had to wait awhile, but then found that the yogurt was okay. I would love to hear your stories. Thanks, , (4) asd, Chase (7), all scd 6 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Hi , we tried the 24 hours goat yoghurt twice (the first time after 4 months, the second time after 9 months). Both times we had bad luck, BUT: the first time we gave the yoghurt, my son had a nasty rash all over his belly. The second time we gave him yoghurt, it took 10 days before we saw a reaction. Initially he reacted very good to the yoghurt, but we may have given him simply too much. One can get carried away I guess. He simply regressed into autism. So we have see two different reactions, I interpret that as a positive sign. We wait till I feel we are up to a third try, but in the mean time I give nut yoghurt. Marjan The Netherlands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2003 Report Share Posted December 28, 2003 Patti, Thanks for your response. You provided me some good information. I didn't know about waiting 12 weeks to start the yogurt. I used Yogourmet starter with Summerhill and Meyenberg Farms Goat's milk. I made several different batches with the different brands, both dripped and not dripped to find out what he could have. I gave 1/2 tsp. each time and whammo.....definitely allergic each time. I will have to try out the CP yogurt starter in about 6 weeks, as we have only been SCD for 6 weeks and see if that makes a difference. I have another question about the goat's milk. The yogurt instructions say that we shouldn't heat it past 185F degrees or it will damage the delicate goat's milk proteins. If my son is allergic to the casein (milk protein), why wouldn't I want to destroy the proteins on purpose and heat it past 185? That would allow me to make a yogurt that is casein and lactose free, right? Just wondering in case anyone knows. , (4) asd, Chase (7), scd 6 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 , On overheating the goat milk...... I don't think it works quite that way...... you will damage the proteins, but not destroy them enough to avert a true anaphylactic allergy response. I don't think it would be " casein free " . If you are certain your son is truly allergic to goat casein as well as cow casein, you probably should not use yogurt at all. If you feel it's more like a sensitivity that has developed from having a leaky gut, wait....... maybe months...... keeping him SCD legal in every other way, 100%....... and give it a try. But damaging the proteins in the milk on purpose is not a way around allergy reaction...... that will, however, damage the nutrients and other healing properties of the yogurt. On our old list, and the original pecanbread website, it was kind of the standard protocol to wait till around 12 weeks to intro the yogurt...... but that is not something that is " official " SCD. It's just something we found worked out best for most of the families..... that introducing it sooner than that might work out fine for some kids but for most, it made sense to wait a little longer..... unless they were already tolerating milk products prior to SCD. Anyway, I see that information was not added to the new website.... keep in mind that we're all volunteers around here ...... but we might have to add that in somewhere. Like I said, it's not a hard and fast rule at all, and certainly not a " by the book " recommendation..... only a general guideline based on what many other families have experienced. Patti, mom to Katera, SCD 8 months Re: Can't have yogurt Patti, Thanks for your response. You provided me some good information. I didn't know about waiting 12 weeks to start the yogurt. I used Yogourmet starter with Summerhill and Meyenberg Farms Goat's milk. I made several different batches with the different brands, both dripped and not dripped to find out what he could have. I gave 1/2 tsp. each time and whammo.....definitely allergic each time. I will have to try out the CP yogurt starter in about 6 weeks, as we have only been SCD for 6 weeks and see if that makes a difference. I have another question about the goat's milk. The yogurt instructions say that we shouldn't heat it past 185F degrees or it will damage the delicate goat's milk proteins. If my son is allergic to the casein (milk protein), why wouldn't I want to destroy the proteins on purpose and heat it past 185? That would allow me to make a yogurt that is casein and lactose free, right? Just wondering in case anyone knows. , (4) asd, Chase (7), scd 6 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Are you making a goat starter first? The first batch should be used as a starter to get rid of the cows milk problem with the yogourmet starter. Carey in WY, mom to 14 yo, HFA, Seizures, mild MR; SCD 9 weeks getting only Thropp's UltraZyme Plus clappcj@... Re: Can't have yogurt > Patti, > Thanks for your response. You provided me some good information. I > didn't know about waiting 12 weeks to start the yogurt. I used Yogourmet > starter ....................... > > , (4) asd, Chase (7), scd 6 weeks > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Thanks Patti. I guess I'll be trying the nut yogurt and goat's yogurt again in another 6 weeks. , (4) asd, scd 6 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Carey, I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Please ask me again. We used goat's milk for the yogurt and the Yogourmet starter packages. , (4), asd, scd 6 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Oh, the CP starter is not milk based? Is it goat's milk based? I'll look into this. Thanks, , (4) asd, scd 6 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 If your child is sensitive to cow's milk, he/she may have a problem with the Yogourmet/Lyosan starter as it is in a base of cow's milk. You might need to consider making a first batch that will only be used as starter...... feeding only the second generation yogurt to your child. Another alternative is to use the starter from Custom Probiotics (contact info on the pecanbread.com site). Patti, mom to Katera, SCD 8 months Re: Can't have yogurt Carey, I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Please ask me again. We used goat's milk for the yogurt and the Yogourmet starter packages. , (4), asd, scd 6 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 " We used goat's milk for the yogurt and the Yogourmet starter packages. " The yogourmet starter has COW's milk ingredients. If your son is sensitive to COW's milk products, then it would be better for you to purchase the Custom Probiotics yogurt starter and use goat milk. Jody mom to -5.0 and -7.4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 The yogourmet yogurt starter is made from cows milk. When you use it to make yogurt for your ASD child from goats milk, the first batch you make should be used as a starter. Then use this goats milk yogurt as a starter for the goats milk yogurt the child actually eats. ex, batch #1 is made with goats milk and the yogourmet starter. batch #2 is made from goats milk and the goats milk yogurt from batch #1. (no yogourmet starter) This is called 2nd generation yogurt and is then safe to eat having gotten rid of the cows milk protiens. Clear as mud still? Carey in WY, mom to 14 yo, HFA, Seizures, mild MR; SCD 9 weeks getting only Thropp's UltraZyme Plus clappcj@... Re: Can't have yogurt > Carey, > I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Please ask me again. > We used goat's milk for the yogurt and the Yogourmet starter packages. > > , (4), asd, scd 6 weeks > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 > The yogourmet yogurt starter is made from cows milk. When you use it to > make yogurt for your ASD child from goats milk, the first batch you make > should be used as a starter. Then use this goats milk yogurt as a starter > for the goats milk yogurt the child actually eats. > ex, batch #1 is made with goats milk and the yogourmet starter. > batch #2 is made from goats milk and the goats milk yogurt from batch #1. > (no yogourmet starter) This is called 2nd generation yogurt and is then safe > to eat having gotten rid of the cows milk protiens. Clear as mud still? > Carey in WY, > mom to 14 yo, HFA, Seizures, mild MR; SCD 9 weeks > getting only Thropp's UltraZyme Plus > clappcj@... > Now I understand. Thanks for the explanation. But, I'm just wondering how many probiotics would still be present in it? I also spoke with Harry at CP this week and he said their starter is completely dairy free. It seems like it would be easier to just use CP starter next time. Still also considering nut yogurt. Thanks! heather, kyle (4) asd, scd 6 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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