Re: OT : For those who fear emotions will never even out.... a bit of personal achievement..

April 17, 2004

Topper.............

You're a keeper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love and Hug's.Shirl

OT : For those who fear emotions will never even out.... a bit of personal achievement..

I have to share this....It's been about three and a half years ago, now, that the love of my lifedumped me to run of with my friend Jeff... No... my love was not awoman... but a man... Anyway.. the point... all this time I've not beenable to listen to music... it made me burst into tears.. for a very longtime I thought it was from the hurt of the betrayal... and most likelyfor a while it was.. but it continued far longer than it should have andI started to believe it had more to do with my hormones than it did mybroken heart...I'm on the computer longer than I usually am.. I skipped Bedxercisestonight.... The movie I was watching finished and an 1/2 hour 'buy orstuff' show started... love songs.. the oldies... Elvis, Andy ,Charlie Rich... All songs that I adored and always sang to.... I wasfifteen minutes into the show, responding to emails when I realized thatI was singing along to the clips on the tv of the songs available in thispackage they are selling... for the first time in over three years I didnot scramble to change a station to avoid love songs....For those that fear your emotions will never even out.. for those thatfear you will never be able to go through the day without crying aboutsomething so stupid that you can't understand what the heck is wrong withyou.... IT DOES GET BETTER!!!!I used to sing along to my favorite songs all the time... My love used tosing many of them to me... I've really missed that.. but just couldn'thandle bawling... hehehhehe.. I can sing along again!!! I can sing alongagain!!!!.... and if you're wondering about what I think about what he did..... heshould have been drown at birth... he not only betrayed me, the woman heclaimed to be the love of his life, he betrayed me with my best friend(besides him) and that friend was a man! And when my friend told me aboutit and I confronted him - he denied it! And do you know how I found outthat it was true???? I created an alternate identity online and got intochat with him and he told my alter all about it!!!! There is more to thestory.. but it doesn't belong here... I just had to vent a wee bit....now I'm off to sleep.... nitey nite!Topper ()

April 18, 2004

Topper!! You are sooooo savy. And such a detective! No wonder to can put all these thyroid clues together and come up with really great analysis.

BTW I used to cry when we sang God Bless America. I would have been in the insane asylum had I been dealing with those kind of issues. I have just noticed the last couple of weeks that my emotions are much more stable. So, in that respect, I see what you mean and can attest to it.

Blessings,

Debbie K.

-----Original Message-----From: topper2@... a man! And when my friend told me aboutit and I confronted him - he denied it! And do you know how I found outthat it was true???? I created an alternate identity online and got intochat with him and he told my alter all about it!!!! There is more to thestory.. but it doesn't belong here... I just had to vent a wee bit....now I'm off to sleep.... nitey nite!Topper ()

April 18, 2004

*blush*

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:33:07 -0600 "Shirley" writes:

Topper.............

You're a keeper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love and Hug's.Shirl

April 18, 2004

It just so weird... I was in shock last night when I noticed it.... I'm not kidding it was absolute reflex for so long to automatically change away from that stuff... I was so tired of crying... Yeah, what he did hurt.. but just about every other aspect of it doesn't break me into tears anymore.. not even last year when he tried to suck up to me.... that didn't bug me.. heck I didn't even answer him.... so I was pretty sure that the song crying thing was hormonal.. and derned it.. I was right!!! this is sooooo cool.. I can start listening to the radio again!!! hehehehehe

..... I just like to understand the why of things.... One day I'm gonna learn to not use me as the guinea pig though!!! hehehehehe

I still slobber over sappy movies... but that's being a normal female! hehehehehe

Topper ()

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 05:25:35 -0500 Debbie K writes:

Topper!! You are sooooo savy. And such a detective! No wonder to can put all these thyroid clues together and come up with really great analysis.

BTW I used to cry when we sang God Bless America. I would have been in the insane asylum had I been dealing with those kind of issues. I have just noticed the last couple of weeks that my emotions are much more stable. So, in that respect, I see what you mean and can attest to it.

Blessings,

Debbie K.

April 18, 2004

I've been there, but not with him running off with a friend. This was the

4th or fifth boyfriend after my second marriage. Since he was the only one

I ever had (including both husbands) that I shared one of my greatest loves

with, music, it was so hard to listen to any of it for almost a year or so.

Then, I still couldn't listen to love songs at all for another yr or so. It

really does heal, and I don't regret it because all these things make me who

I am now. We loved piano, like Ernesto Cortizar, and then smooth jazz, that

sort of thing.

Tx

OT : For those who fear emotions will

never even out.... a bit of personal achievement..

> I have to share this....

April 18, 2004

Scientific Analysis: I said that the thyroid actually does our weeping for us, when we can't. Now I'll include the adrenals in on that also. I know you all are going to think I'm fruity, but I really believe that when we are in dyer straits over a lost love, the adrenals even help shut down the sex hormones, at least temporarily, until a long healing takes place. I wonder whether any research has actually been done on that sbjct. Did you read that article about signs of DHEA's benefits? One of the symptoms of DHEA loss is anhedonia and the loss of desire for the things we were formerly interested in. The "shutting down" of the "feeling" of things. I know psychiatrists sometimes say that's bad, but darn it, you reach a point where you can't cope with all that crying, or you will slip into never-never land. Sooo, I think your body tries to compensate for this (if you're not in a suicidal mode, God forbid) by doing a chemical shut down, and what would be first? The "batteries" of the body go into "sleeping" mode, which are the adrenals and thyroid, of course, and I believe that it is for "recharging" purposes. The trouble with life is that it never sits still, and there are everyday stressors that still have to be dealt with, so they don't get a chance to recharge without a whole lot of help, and sometimes, they have to have help for a whole lifetime because they can't come out of the "mode", especially the thyroid. If you think about it, it's fascinating. We are fearfully and wonderfully made.

Tx

Re: OT : For those who fear emotions will never even out.... a bit of personal achievement..

It just so weird... I was in shock last night when I noticed it.... I'm not kidding it was absolute reflex for so long to automatically change away from that stuff... I was so tired of crying... Yeah, what he did hurt.. but just about every other aspect of it doesn't break me into tears anymore.. not even last year when he tried to suck up to me.... that didn't bug me.. heck I didn't even answer him.... so I was pretty sure that the song crying thing was hormonal.. and derned it.. I was right!!! this is sooooo cool.. I can start listening to the radio again!!! hehehehehe

..... I just like to understand the why of things.... One day I'm gonna learn to not use me as the guinea pig though!!! hehehehehe

I still slobber over sappy movies... but that's being a normal female! hehehehehe

Topper ()

April 18, 2004

Men can be such oafs.... This one was broken and impotent when I met

him... five years later he starts after my guy friend and then marries a

Bi female.. .they have parties in our bed, now, with their new

friends.... How do I know? Just 20 minutes into our chat (me, in my alter

personna) he invited me to join them....

The really fun part to all of this... gosh.. I think you guys may get a

hoot out of this....

He and his son both have ADHD. He had sleep issues, he developed gout. He

had impotence issues, he had very bad teeth, he was a carb addict, his

excess weight was prominently carried in his stomach, he had short term

memory issues..... since we've been apart I would venture to say that

he's gained at least 200 pounds, his teeth are worse and his hair looks

awful (he posts his pic in his yahoo profile - hunting for new

'friends').... I have a strong suspicion that he is having thyroid and

adrenal problems.. based on what I've learned in my own research the last

three years and my observations of him then.... hehehehehe he tossed me

out with the bathwater and now he's...

Well, whenever I'm feeling a bit blue I pull up his pic for a quick and

sure laugh... the only way to describe the way that he looks now is to

say that he looks as if someone put a straw up his rear and blew..... I

know it's mean to say.. but after what he did to me..... and how well I'm

doing, losing weight and all the other improvements and such that I've

realized after getting my thyroid and adrenal issues addressed... I just

think it's hilarious!

Most likely the best thing that ever happened to me is what he did... I

may never have started researching thyroid and such had I gotten

insurance under him and continued on synthetics...... I opt to look at

the positive.... and his pic for a guaranteed laugh! heheheh

..... I'm soooo mean.... hehehehehehe

... I know.. this is all way way off topic... but, well.. I'll stop

now.....

Topper ()

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:48:58 -0500 " " writes:

> I've been there, but not with him running off with a friend. This

> was the

> 4th or fifth boyfriend after my second marriage. Since he was the

> only one

> I ever had (including both husbands) that I shared one of my

> greatest loves

> with, music, it was so hard to listen to any of it for almost a year

> or so.

> Then, I still couldn't listen to love songs at all for another yr or

> so. It

> really does heal, and I don't regret it because all these things

> make me who

> I am now. We loved piano, like Ernesto Cortizar, and then smooth

> jazz, that sort of thing.

>

> Tx

April 18, 2004

I am not sure what I have read on this, but I believe that the mind-body connection does what it needs to for us to survive. Your hypothesis makes sense to me.

Re: OT : For those who fear emotions will never even out.... a bit of personal achievement..

Scientific Analysis: I said that the thyroid actually does our weeping for us, when we can't. Now I'll include the adrenals in on that also. I know you all are going to think I'm fruity, but I really believe that when we are in dyer straits over a lost love, the adrenals even help shut down the sex hormones, at least temporarily, until a long healing takes place. I wonder whether any research has actually been done on that sbjct. Did you read that article about signs of DHEA's benefits? One of the symptoms of DHEA loss is anhedonia and the loss of desire for the things we were formerly interested in. The "shutting down" of the "feeling" of things. I know psychiatrists sometimes say that's bad, but darn it, you reach a point where you can't cope with all that crying, or you will slip into never-never land. Sooo, I think your body tries to compensate for this (if you're not in a suicidal mode, God forbid) by doing a chemical shut down, and what would be first? The "batteries" of the body go into "sleeping" mode, which are the adrenals and thyroid, of course, and I believe that it is for "recharging" purposes. The trouble with life is that it never sits still, and there are everyday stressors that still have to be dealt with, so they don't get a chance to recharge without a whole lot of help, and sometimes, they have to have help for a whole lifetime because they can't come out of the "mode", especially the thyroid. If you think about it, it's fascinating. We are fearfully and wonderfully made.

April 18, 2004

That struck me as totally fascinating, . I have no thyroid function at all.. so for me it had to have been an adrenal 'vacation' I know for much of the three years that I was on little or no meds (by little, I'm talking about 25 mcg taken one day a week.. that was all I had). I never really reacted to anything... even the bitter cold when I was waiting for buses to get to work... it was two hours each way, including transfers and waiting for buses... No place to sit, no shelter, sub zero temps with the howling winds that you only get in downtown areas with their tall buildings... I didn't really get cold... I bundled up and just 'hibernated' while waiting for the buses... others around me were pacing and stomping feet and shivering... I would just stand there, huddled... then when my PF got so bad and I ended up on crutches for all those months... I just leaned against things, propped on my crutches... waiting. During the summer, out in the sun, no sun screen, I never burned, I never sweated.. I just waited and got hot and sick to my stomach from the heat.. but didn't sweat....

All of that I attributed to my being an emotional wreck over what had happened... A daily pitty party.. never realizing it was all due to the years of being undertreated on the synthetics, then having nothing at all... It was my body, dying, I think....

I can tan now... My hair is coming back it's normal color, and it's shinny again, not all frizzy and dead.... My cheeks glow when I laugh! My eyes twinkle and I giggle... I'm 46 years old.. in a body that is still a bit older then that.. but getting younger each week... And in my head.. .I'm about 22... hehehehe

Oh... and a bit more on weight loss... those of you that have put on a few pounds will relate to this, I think.... my belly button is shallower... so I'm still losing weight and things are still shifting around.. my body is fighting to get back to where it wants to be... so I'll continue on my multi-dosing, and my mini-meals and my bedxercises and my skin brushing and my massage... All goofy ideas that I thought sounded good at the time and seem to be just the right thing for me.... hehehehehe

Topper () *who just happens to think today is such a fantastic day!!!! *

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:04:18 -0500 " " writes:

Scientific Analysis: I said that the thyroid actually does our weeping for us, when we can't. Now I'll include the adrenals in on that also. I know you all are going to think I'm fruity, but I really believe that when we are in dyer straits over a lost love, the adrenals even help shut down the sex hormones, at least temporarily, until a long healing takes place. I wonder whether any research has actually been done on that sbjct. Did you read that article about signs of DHEA's benefits? One of the symptoms of DHEA loss is anhedonia and the loss of desire for the things we were formerly interested in. The "shutting down" of the "feeling" of things. I know psychiatrists sometimes say that's bad, but darn it, you reach a point where you can't cope with all that crying, or you will slip into never-never land. Sooo, I think your body tries to compensate for this (if you're not in a suicidal mode, God forbid) by doing a chemical shut down, and what would be first? The "batteries" of the body go into "sleeping" mode, which are the adrenals and thyroid, of course, and I believe that it is for "recharging" purposes. The trouble with life is that it never sits still, and there are everyday stressors that still have to be dealt with, so they don't get a chance to recharge without a whole lot of help, and sometimes, they have to have help for a whole lifetime because they can't come out of the "mode", especially the thyroid. If you think about it, it's fascinating. We are fearfully and wonderfully made.

Tx

April 18, 2004

Topper,

Thanks so much for sharing this. I cry all the time about nothing, about stupid movies, about songs, about thoughts that just pop into my head. I thought I needed therapy for a long time, cause I must be crazy or loosing it. Then I found I was hypo and realized that I wasn't crazy but getting very sick.

I have been on Armour for 5 months and am up to 5 grains and have seen some improvement but not much in emotions yet. My adrenals were pretty shot and spent two months on Cortef and am now tapering off it.

Good to know I might quit crying sometime soon.

Deborah

OT : For those who fear emotions will never even out.... a bit of personal achievement..

I have to share this....It's been about three and a half years ago, now, that the love of my lifedumped me to run of with my friend Jeff... No... my love was not awoman... but a man... Anyway.. the point... all this time I've not beenable to listen to music... it made me burst into tears.. for a very longtime I thought it was from the hurt of the betrayal... and most likelyfor a while it was.. but it continued far longer than it should have andI started to believe it had more to do with my hormones than it did mybroken heart...I'm on the computer longer than I usually am.. I skipped Bedxercisestonight.... The movie I was watching finished and an 1/2 hour 'buy orstuff' show started... love songs.. the oldies... Elvis, Andy ,Charlie Rich... All songs that I adored and always sang to.... I wasfifteen minutes into the show, responding to emails when I realized thatI was singing along to the clips on the tv of the songs available in thispackage they are selling... for the first time in over three years I didnot scramble to change a station to avoid love songs....For those that fear your emotions will never even out.. for those thatfear you will never be able to go through the day without crying aboutsomething so stupid that you can't understand what the heck is wrong withyou.... IT DOES GET BETTER!!!!I used to sing along to my favorite songs all the time... My love used tosing many of them to me... I've really missed that.. but just couldn'thandle bawling... hehehhehe.. I can sing along again!!! I can sing alongagain!!!!.... and if you're wondering about what I think about what he did..... heshould have been drown at birth... he not only betrayed me, the woman heclaimed to be the love of his life, he betrayed me with my best friend(besides him) and that friend was a man! And when my friend told me aboutit and I confronted him - he denied it! And do you know how I found outthat it was true???? I created an alternate identity online and got intochat with him and he told my alter all about it!!!! There is more to thestory.. but it doesn't belong here... I just had to vent a wee bit....now I'm off to sleep.... nitey nite!Topper ()

April 18, 2004

I've read that it can take two years for adrenals to recuperate... why have you chosen to back off? I'm just a bit over the one year mark myself... and plan on going the full two years and then seeing how I do....

I'm taking a desiccated whole glandular adrenal... I quarter the tabs, I take the first one right away when I wake up, with my thyroid... then the other four during the morning... the last one, sometimes just after noon.. I also take DHEA, 6 1/4 mcg in the morning, with breakfast... and another 6 1/4 mcg at night, about an hour before bed with my other sups.....

I think that the idea about giving the adrenals the morning off from 'everyday' stuff and allowing them to build up reserves to be available for 'as needed' issues is a pretty good idea, so that is the one that I chose to follow... when I get pissed off now I can react and cuss a blue streak (if needed).. and if something happens that requires an adrenaline rush.. it's there for me now... including when I get excited about the good things... like a letter from a pen pal... or a payment from a client that came early.... I am no longer just 'there' I react, to the good and the bad.....

Just passing on what seems to be working for you..... just in case it might be something you might want to consider.....

Topper ()

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:03:43 -0400 " son" writes:

Topper,

Thanks so much for sharing this. I cry all the time about nothing, about stupid movies, about songs, about thoughts that just pop into my head. I thought I needed therapy for a long time, cause I must be crazy or loosing it. Then I found I was hypo and realized that I wasn't crazy but getting very sick.

I have been on Armour for 5 months and am up to 5 grains and have seen some improvement but not much in emotions yet. My adrenals were pretty shot and spent two months on Cortef and am now tapering off it.

Good to know I might quit crying sometime soon.

Deborah

April 18, 2004

I think I will continue on some otc adrenal support for sometime to come but can't take Cortef that long. Trying to figure out what I want to take. Isocort is basically Cortef so don't want to stay on that for long. I need to look at the nutri-med one again and check ingredients. Standard Process has one I took a couple of years ago but you have to get it now from a practioner not online anymore. I agree with you that the adrenals need more help than just a couple of months. I can tell mine are no where near recovered but again one can't stay on Cortef for long.

Deborah

Re: OT : For those who fear emotions will never even out.... a bit of personal achievement..

I've read that it can take two years for adrenals to recuperate... why have you chosen to back off? I'm just a bit over the one year mark myself... and plan on going the full two years and then seeing how I do....

I'm taking a desiccated whole glandular adrenal... I quarter the tabs, I take the first one right away when I wake up, with my thyroid... then the other four during the morning... the last one, sometimes just after noon.. I also take DHEA, 6 1/4 mcg in the morning, with breakfast... and another 6 1/4 mcg at night, about an hour before bed with my other sups.....

I think that the idea about giving the adrenals the morning off from 'everyday' stuff and allowing them to build up reserves to be available for 'as needed' issues is a pretty good idea, so that is the one that I chose to follow... when I get pissed off now I can react and cuss a blue streak (if needed).. and if something happens that requires an adrenaline rush.. it's there for me now... including when I get excited about the good things... like a letter from a pen pal... or a payment from a client that came early.... I am no longer just 'there' I react, to the good and the bad.....

Just passing on what seems to be working for you..... just in case it might be something you might want to consider.....

Topper ()

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:03:43 -0400 " son" writes:

Topper,

Thanks so much for sharing this. I cry all the time about nothing, about stupid movies, about songs, about thoughts that just pop into my head. I thought I needed therapy for a long time, cause I must be crazy or loosing it. Then I found I was hypo and realized that I wasn't crazy but getting very sick.

I have been on Armour for 5 months and am up to 5 grains and have seen some improvement but not much in emotions yet. My adrenals were pretty shot and spent two months on Cortef and am now tapering off it.

Good to know I might quit crying sometime soon.

Deborah

April 18, 2004

I've been on the Nutri-Meds Bovine adrenal tablets all along.. I started with 2 one quarter tab doses a day and it made me feel so wonderful that by the end of the first four weeks I'd worn out my poor decrepit body... I had to stop taking them for a month for my body to rest.. then I started up again at just one quarter tab a day.... I added a quarter tab roughly every 4 to 6 weeks.... adding it about two hours after the last.. so, for example.. the first one I took at 6 am, when it was time to add a second one I took the first at 6 and the second at 8.... when it was time to add the third I took that one at 10.... Keeping in mind that it was allowing my adrenal glands to not have to respond to the normal morning call for hormone when we wake.... I now try to take them so that my last one (the fifth 1/4 tab of the day) to be just a bit after noon... then allow my adrenals to act normally the rest of the day and through the night....

It seems to be doing the trick... I don't have any type of a crash or anything at all during the later part of the day, from not taking any of the adrenal... and my mornings are bright and good.. I always used to be a morning person and finally am again.... at night I fall asleep easily, often before I even get situated and comfy and wonder how long it will take to fall asleep (see.. I went for years where it would take me one to two hours to fall asleep, often woke during the night, unable to fall back to sleep... and if I was waken by a noise or phone or something.. just flat out couldn't go back to sleep). Now if I have to make a midnight potty run I do.. then crawl back in bed and fall right back to sleep... I attribute most of the to my adrenals not having to do the hurry up/catch up thing all day long and then dump on me late in the day.. they are acting more normally now... closing down late in the day to allow natural sleep, as they are supposed to...

Oh... I'd like to add.. when I was here alone this winter and the well pump went funky.. I was able to stay up that night and deal with what I had to do.. and call the repair folks the next day... without going into some type of a panic attack.... I functioned normally the next day, even though I'd been short on sleep due to the incident... and sacked out good that next night... My point is that my body responded to the 'crisis' situation, allowed me to function as needed.. and then I did not have a fatal fatigue-crash afterwards... My glands gave me what I needed to do the job.. then backed off when the time was right... That, TRUST ME, is a VAST improvement over my last 'crisis' I was a balling idiot through the whole thing and when it was over got sick to my stomach.. then couldn't sleep for a couple of nights cause I was a basket case.. Oh... the crisis.. the septic system backed up (we're out in the country, private well and septic system). My folks have owned this house since '69. I'm very familiar with taking care of the septic if the tree roots clog the line.. we have a snake right down by the main drain... but I turned into a basket case, as though it were the end of the world and I had no idea what to do..... That was two years ago, between Thanksgiving and Christmas.. when the folks were on winter vacation and I was here alone.

It next happened on New Year's eve morning.. just four months ago... I went down to check my laundry, there was water on the floor around the main drain, I pulled my laundry out of the washer and tossed it into the dryer... ran the snake through the line, got every thing draining, ran a mop over the floor to clean up the soapy water.... put everything away and washed up.. then went up and finished cooking.. no big deal....

That's what a difference it makes to get your body working right.... You can deal with life and not freak or fail.... just deal with it like a normal person and continue on.....

***I'm jumping up and down now... EVERYBODY listen to what is in your heart, don't let ANYONE tell you that this is all in your head.... if you know something is wrong keep going until you get it right!!!! ------ I'm getting my life back!!!! after over a decade of being a zombie!!!!***

Topper () *quietly climbing off soap box... sliding it sideways, discreetly, hoping no one is watching*

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:06:11 -0400 " son" writes:

I think I will continue on some otc adrenal support for sometime to come but can't take Cortef that long. Trying to figure out what I want to take. Isocort is basically Cortef so don't want to stay on that for long. I need to look at the nutri-med one again and check ingredients. Standard Process has one I took a couple of years ago but you have to get it now from a practioner not online anymore. I agree with you that the adrenals need more help than just a couple of months. I can tell mine are no where near recovered but again one can't stay on Cortef for long.

Deborah

April 18, 2004

Ok, I'll stop right after I say this---guess who came out of this smelling

like a rose---- did.

Re: OT : For those who fear emotions

will never even out.... a bit of personal achievement..

> Men can be such oafs.... This one was broken and impotent when I met

> him... five years later he starts after my guy friend and then marries a

> Bi female.. .they have parties in our bed, now, with their new

> friends.... How do I know? Just 20 minutes into our chat (me, in my alter

> personna) he invited me to join them....

>

> The really fun part to all of this... gosh.. I think you guys may get a

> hoot out of this....

>

> He and his son both have ADHD. He had sleep issues, he developed gout. He

> had impotence issues, he had very bad teeth, he was a carb addict, his

> excess weight was prominently carried in his stomach, he had short term

> memory issues..... since we've been apart I would venture to say that

> he's gained at least 200 pounds, his teeth are worse and his hair looks

> awful (he posts his pic in his yahoo profile - hunting for new

> 'friends').... I have a strong suspicion that he is having thyroid and

> adrenal problems.. based on what I've learned in my own research the last

> three years and my observations of him then.... hehehehehe he tossed me

> out with the bathwater and now he's...

>

> Well, whenever I'm feeling a bit blue I pull up his pic for a quick and

> sure laugh... the only way to describe the way that he looks now is to

> say that he looks as if someone put a straw up his rear and blew..... I

> know it's mean to say.. but after what he did to me..... and how well I'm

> doing, losing weight and all the other improvements and such that I've

> realized after getting my thyroid and adrenal issues addressed... I just

> think it's hilarious!

>

> Most likely the best thing that ever happened to me is what he did... I

> may never have started researching thyroid and such had I gotten

> insurance under him and continued on synthetics...... I opt to look at

> the positive.... and his pic for a guaranteed laugh! heheheh

>

> .... I'm soooo mean.... hehehehehehe

>

> .. I know.. this is all way way off topic... but, well.. I'll stop

> now.....

>

> Topper ()

April 18, 2004

There is a huge misnomer by the medical profession that Cortef and brands like it are dangerous, in small amts. If your body is making a good supply of hydrocortisone, only then can it be dangerous.

Tx

Re: OT : For those who fear emotions will never even out.... a bit of personal achievement..

I think I will continue on some otc adrenal support for sometime to come but can't take Cortef that long. Trying to figure out what I want to take. Isocort is basically Cortef so don't want to stay on that for long. I need to look at the nutri-med one again and check ingredients. Standard Process has one I took a couple of years ago but you have to get it now from a practioner not online anymore. I agree with you that the adrenals need more help than just a couple of months. I can tell mine are no where near recovered but again one can't stay on Cortef for long.

Deborah

April 18, 2004

.... blushing profusely....

..... digging toe into the dirt...

.... I know... ehehehehehehehe

Topper ()

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:11:03 -0500 " " writes:

> Ok, I'll stop right after I say this---guess who came out of this

> smelling

> like a rose---- did.

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April 18, 2004

OMG, I can identify with EVERYthing you're saying. The simplest things that I had always known became major crises, with an inability to cope with them, and forgetting how to do things I'd done all my life, with my mind "going everywhere". I did restart the adrenals around a week ago, and that may be why nothing looks "bleak" or "gray" at this point, and as I stated to Jamy, I've felt good for the last 3 days. I backed off of the adrenal supps, I think because I was taking too much. In my case, even a quarter tab at once was too much (just strange symptoms, that's all I can say), so when I restarted them this time, I'm still only taking 2 1/8th pieces of a tablet, 4 hrs apart, after I rise from bed, followed by a bit of protein and fruit. I've changed my Armour to 15 mgs, 2 hrs after this minimeal, then again 3 more times, before retiring for the "day" (night worker), and added back some synthetic T4. Ya know, it's whatever works best for each individual. I think that, for me, the Armour does not have enough T4 for my system, no matter how you cut it, and that may be why the antibodies keep "hounding" my thyroid. I keep the Armour because it has just too many "goodies" in it that my body seems to like. I just don't believe that my fingers would even be flying over these keys, and I wouldn't even be sitting up straight or even out of bed, if it weren't for the Armour. I think that one thing that I have hated is the idea of having to remember to take so many different pills, including my vitamin supps, but I'm just going to have to get over it. You know, sometimes we get into wistful thinking, like we wish it would just all go away, like it was when we didn't even think about taking an aspirin (which I DON'T take any more, BTW).